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RVInit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:11 pm

filly wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:54 pm This is so sad and so horrific. I haven't had the stomach to watch this trial. If Rittenhouse gets off, it's open season on everybody and anybody "they" don't like.

You are taking all these rwnj tweets way too seriously. The jury is NOT getting the information that you are seeing on teh tweets. I don't know how else to keep saying that over and over and over and over again. This trial is NOT going the way they are saying it's going. I would NOT LIE TO YOU GUYS.

That said, of course, I have NO idea how the jury will find. I can only say that the trial si going far better for the prosecution than it is going for the defense. These people on Twitter are full of SHIT.

filly wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:03 pm What do we know about the jury?

It consists of 20 members — 11 women and nine men.

Nineteen members of the jury are white and one person of color.

Dave from down under wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:35 pm Thank you for the reality check

The Kyleianes constant gas lighting does cause stress.

939.48 Self-defense and defense of others.
(1) A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.

(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:

(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.

(b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.

(c) A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense.

RVInit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:11 pm

filly wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:54 pm This is so sad and so horrific. I haven't had the stomach to watch this trial. If Rittenhouse gets off, it's open season on everybody and anybody "they" don't like.

You are taking all these rwnj tweets way too seriously. The jury is NOT getting the information that you are seeing on teh tweets. I don't know how else to keep saying that over and over and over and over again. This trial is NOT going the way they are saying it's going. I would NOT LIE TO YOU GUYS.

That said, of course, I have NO idea how the jury will find. I can only say that the trial si going far better for the prosecution than it is going for the defense. These people on Twitter are full of SHIT.

RVInit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:27 pm I have the same fears about the jury. The point that I'm making is that the only people who are posting on Twitter are Rittenhouse supporters. And tehy are misrepresenting what the JURY IS BEING SHOWN. There is no reason to believe the jury has the same "take" as what you are seeing on Twitter because Twitter is not telling you the truth about what is being presented to the jury.

For instance, I have gone over and over and over Grosskreutz and the contention that he "admitted he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse". He did NOT admit he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse as is being reported, even by media!!

I have still 2.5 more hours of work, I have to sign back into to a meeting in 3 minutes. So today is a bust for me. I will try to listen to it later for today, but in the meantime, CHILL OUT. The trial is NOT going badly for the prosecution. AT ALL.

The Wisconsin judge overseeing the murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse announced Tuesday that deputies had caught someone recording video of the jurors earlier in the day and would be taking new steps to ensure the incident did not happen again, in addition to ordering the person to delete the images.

The jury entered the Kenosha County courtroom on Tuesday morning and was greeted by Judge Bruce Schroeder, who referenced "the incident at the bus pick-up this morning." Before the panel of jurors arrived, Schroeder had revealed that someone was spotted filming the group.

"I've been assured that … the video, which had been taken, has been deleted," Schroeder told the jury, "and new procedures are being instituted so that something like that … should not recur."

The jurist added that he was "frankly quite surprised that it did." He went on to say that he and the deputies had established "different procedures to do with respect to if it would occur."

Before the jury arrived, Schroeder told the court that if a similar incident were to happen again, he had instructed deputies to "take the phone and bring it here."

RVInit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:49 pm,

He is demonstrating an approximate distance between the gun and himself. Rittenhouse is laughing.

andersweinstein wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:12 am

LM K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:40 am

andersweinstein wrote: ↑Tue Nov 09, 2021 12:14 am
This is disputed. The defense theory is that there was some kind of coordinated ambush by both Ziminski and Rosenbaum, although their collusion in this may well have been tacit. Ziminksi did scream "you're not gonna do shit, motherfucker" and fired the first shot behind Rittenhouse as he was being chased. At minimum firing that first shot as Rittenhouse was fleeing is highly significant all by itself. Kid was being chased and somebody fires a gunshot behind him. C'mon now.

I've asked you several times; what evidence you have that supports this theory about this alleged ambush?

I summarized this in this very post. Remember the criminal complaint represented Rosenbaum as initiating the confrontation and accosting Kyle. Video showed Kyle walking alone, oblivious with the fire extinguihser. Kyle is seen fleeing him. Now we know for certain he ran behind a parked car and came out after Kyle passed. Rosenbaum had a problem and had explicitly threatened him etc.What is so hard about the idea he made good on his threat?

If some evidence ever emerges that Kyle aggressed, sure I'll consider it. There just hasn't been any. Now they're saying the aerial footage shows this. We'll see.

Rittenhouse was mouthing off all night. You know that.

What?? No evidence he ever mouthed off even once. True when someone yelled "Fuck You" he did say "I love you too, ma'am". Someone in court laughed. That is flip, and he was advised better not to engage. But that is the response of someone who is not taking the bait when aggressed, not someone trying to start a fight.

That the entirety of his reported "mouthing off". Otherwise he is seen just walking away from confrontation as from Yellow Pants guy, or when he gets pepper sprayed by someone in the crowd.

After considerable testimony about other matters, Binger asked Balch if he had told Rittenhouse “to keep his mouth shut and not engage with people.”

Balch said several people needed such instructions; Rittenhouse was one of them — at least in part due to the “I love you too, ma’am” comment.

“I told him, ‘hey, don’t say that; don’t even respond,'” Balch recalled.

“It can cause somebody to escalate the situation if they feel like you’re making fun of them a little bit,” Balch testified when asked to explain. “It just wasn’t needed.”

One of the armed vigilantes was so worried about Rittenhouse's behavior and comments that he glued himself to Rittenhouse.

He sheparded Rittenhouse because he seemed green, inexperienced. But he didn't express any worry that Rittenhouse was a danger to attack. He seems more to be backup protecting Rittenhouse from attack. They have said they were going out on the buddy system.

I think it is true his inexperience led to the debacle -- he was stupid enough to wander around for his fantasy of being a medic, get himself separated, and then walk into a hostile crowd all alone and get himself attacked.

Again, you're talking about exactly one comment, that "Thank you, ma'am". That's the only one. You're trying to say that someone who might say "I love you too ma'am" to a hostile person who yells "Fuck you" has shown they are an aggressor eager to start fights and might shoot people.

We have video of Rittenhouse walking among the crowd, and several people don't even look up from their phones as he does so.

Anyway, the epistemological situation seems perfectly symmetrical. Anti-Kyle's beliefs look every bit as unshakeable by evidence to me. Anti-Kyles seize on these slender reeds of support and say "Aha!" and disregard other evidence. It may be confirmation bias on both sides.

This is my Official Statement regarding actions that took place on 8/25/2020-8/26/2030 in Kenosha Wisconsin.

I’m gonna start with a list of terms and their definition.


Yesterday at 6pm i joined a contingent of militia along with two unaligned observers headed to Kenosha Wisconsin to protect citizens, their property and their livelihoods.

After infiltrating in Kenosha we found a group of militia made up mostly of males in their early 20’s and late teens. Realizing that they were undermanned and had no leadership on ground at all. We joined them and I inserted myself into a tactical advisement role. The owners then deputized us to protect his properties. We then were joined by another group of bikers carrying hatchets, ball bats and firearms.

After sorting it out we left them at the southern location. As that was the least likely place for them to meet protesters.(where the first shooting and subsequent exchanges of fire came from.) we then moved to the north location 2 city blocks to the north. Where we took up defensive positions and placed men on the roof. We were on the demarcation line for MHT and NML. Protesters coming south on Sheridan would encounter us before anyone else thus giving us the ability to set the tone for the interactions between BLM, Antifa and Agitators with Militia.
For the first couple of hours things were mostly uneventful aside from Agitators trying to break into and burn down a restaurant. We crossed into NML to stop this and aided by BLM we were able stop that. The same agitators around 30-45 minutes later probed our northern boundary. And we shooed them off by being verbally aggressive. As the night dragged on we made frequent trips to the southern location eventually we found that it had been abandoned by the bikers. So I gave the hospital security my phone number. And they agreed to inform me if something happened there.

When I returned from that trip we were joined by another friend of mine a Marine Veteran and maintained our perimeter.*