Kyle Rittenhouse, previous owner of a Smith & Wesson M&P15

[Dave from down under]

What?

No detailed analysis of the 2 videos showing Kyle get his first kill?

It is almost as if you have an unshakable belief that being insulted and chased by someone who clearly wasn’t armed are good enough reasons to gun someone down.

[Foggy]

Anders is doing a good job here.

He's saying stupid things over and over, and it's forcing the rest of you, those sadly stuck in the real world, to give better explanations why they are stupid. I don't block anyone, but I don't need to read his posts anymore, because I know what he's going to say. But the posts after his are really interesting.

[RVInit]

Rittenhouse defenders are grasping at any and all straws. So far none of their explanations of his innocence have been supported by testimony or visual evidence presented in court.

Sadly, as expected Faux news headline this morning - Gaige Grosskreutz admits he was pointing his gun at Rittenhouse before he was shot. Not true. He admitted that the defense was showing him a photo in which it appears the gun is pointed at Rittenhouse. Of course, the same photo shows 3/4 of Grosskreutz bicep is missing, which didn't actually happen until after the bullet smashed into his arm, making him drop that arm.

[Maybenaut]

Anders is doing a good job here.

He's saying stupid things over and over, and it's forcing the rest of you, those sadly stuck in the real world, to give better explanations why they are stupid. I don't block anyone, but I don't need to read his posts anymore, because I know what he's going to say. But the posts after his are really interesting.

I keep vacillating on whether anders is a troll. I’m super-reluctant to slap that label on folks, particularly where this whole forum is supposed to be about challenging falsehoods. So I think it’s OK to come in here and challenge folks with a different point of view. Even though it gets extremely tiresome at times, particularly where, instead of just saying, “Oh, I didn’t know that,” or “Oh, I hadn’t thought of that,” he has to have the last word.

It’s obvious anders is on Team Rittenhouse, and many other people here are…not.

My advice: don’t get personally invested in the result. He might get convicted. He might be acquitted. There might be mixed findings. You never know what a jury is going to do. Whatever happens, the system will have worked as intended.

[Slim Cognito]

Anders is doing a good job here.

He's saying stupid things over and over, and it's forcing the rest of you, those sadly stuck in the real world, to give better explanations why they are stupid. I don't block anyone, but I don't need to read his posts anymore, because I know what he's going to say. But the posts after his are really interesting.

Yeah, I blocked the guy weeks ago. I do read the responses, after skimming past the quotes. It's like trying to reason with a 5 year old who wants to eat a box of cookies before bed.

[Foggy]

My advice: don’t get personally invested in the result. He might get convicted. He might be acquitted. There might be mixed findings. You never know what a jury is going to do. Whatever happens, the system will have worked as intended.

That is excellent advice.

[pipistrelle]

My advice: don’t get personally invested in the result. He might get convicted. He might be acquitted. There might be mixed findings. You never know what a jury is going to do. Whatever happens, the system will have worked as intended.

Thanks to 24/7 news and the internet, too many people are too invested in too many cases, this one because it ties together the rioting RWNJs want to associate with BLM with 2A rights.. To me this one highlights yet another reason open carry is stupid (in my opinion, it is not protected under the 2A).

[bob]

Anyway, the epistemological situation seems perfectly symmetrical. Anti-Kyle's beliefs look every bit as unshakeable by evidence to me. Anti-Kyles seize on these slender reeds of support and say "Aha!" and disregard other evidence. It may be confirmation bias on both sides.

"It's not confirmation bias if I'm right and you aren't."

But do preach more about what isn't being practiced.

[RVInit]

As expected, I am going to have to hold off on watching and reporting what I see/hear of the evidence in the Rittenhouse trial. I am working on a project that came up unexpectedly yesterday that I need to work on during day hours to get it into QA soon. But I will be back. I watched only a little bit to get a sense of what we are going to hear today - the doctor who performed the autopsy is testifying today. I will report back later today after I have an opportunity to watch the trial video.

[raison de arizona]

Seeing a lot of RWNJ comments regarding Rosenbaum having gunshot residue of some kind on his hands, which they claim indicates he was reaching for the weapon. I've also seen that the results said within four feet and I wonder if someone would hold their hands out to stop a bullet being directed at them instinctually?

[bob]

I've also seen that the results said within four feet and I wonder if someone would hold their hands out to stop a bullet being directed at them instinctually?

Yeah; it is common. In addition to being an instinctive defensive move, it also conveys nonverbally, "stop."

[raison de arizona]

new (I think) enhanced footage. from court earlier today




Also somebunny filmed the jury and they made 'em delete it.

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[RVInit]

Just briefly, I'm taking a short break getting ready to get lunch. The drone video was displayed this morning slowed way down. It appears that the gun is raised to shoot Rosenbaum before is hands come up. I would interpret that more as an automatic "defensive" reaction most people would have. I don't think anyone facing the barrel of a gun at close range would fail to raise their hands to try to protect themselves, even though it would be in vain.

Ah, medical examiner just said the first shot was done while he was in fully upright position, and his hand was not involved. The first shot was to the hip. The second shot to the hand and traveled into his eye from there. he would likely have fallen after being struck in the hip (first shot) due to the extensive compound fractures to the pelvis. I was listening to that just as I am typing. That was convenient timing.

[Dave from down under]

Why was the curfew charge dropped?

Edit - found this:
“ Count 7, breaking the curfew that was in effect has been dismissed by Judge Schroeder. The State failed to prove that a curfew was actually in place.”

[raison de arizona]

Couldn't be arsed?

[Uninformed]

[andersweinstein]

Why was the curfew charge dropped?

Edit - found this:
“ Count 7, breaking the curfew that was in effect has been dismissed by Judge Schroeder. The State failed to prove that a curfew was actually in place.”

Prosecution forgot to present any evidence that a lawful curfew order was in place before resting.

(There was some schoolyard stuff before lunch: Defense asked to confirm that prosecution had rested, judge said yes. They are planning some motions after lunch. Defense says they will move to dismiss the curfew charge for lack of evidence. Binger says detective mentioned it, judge says that's not enough, need a lawful order, but will allow prosecution to re-open, defense complains, the only reason he brought it up was because judge had confirmed prosecution rested.)

[Dave from down under]

Ahhh..
Thank you..
That was lax of the prosecution.

[raison de arizona]

[Dave from down under]

Since the dead cannot speak for them self:
“I was running after him to tell him how threatening me with his rifle was infuriating and before I caught up with him, he turned around a shot me! His first shot shattered my hip with a full metal jacket 5.56mm high velocity bullet*, Since I was running and now couldn’t I started to fall forward, my hands instinctively coming up to cushion my fall, that one hand that is now closer to the barrel from which another bullet will come was now close enough to get powder residue but the FMJ probably didn’t leave much metal behind.
The barrel rise and or my falling is likely to account for the graze to my cheek, but to then get me in the back would require the barrel to be lowered to keep me in the line of fire of the fourth shot.

Unarmed I was no threat to anyone after my hip was shattered and I was falling to the ground.

The 2nd shot might have been reflex, after all the double tap is part of training to ensure a kill, the 3rd and fourth though was needed in this case to kill me.

As I died he came back, looked at me, then walked away.”

[RVInit]

Since the dead cannot speak for them self:
“I was running after him to tell him how threatening me with his rifle was infuriating and before I caught up with him, he turned around a shot me! His first shot shattered my hip with a full metal jacket 5.56mm high velocity bullet*, Since I was running and now couldn’t I started to fall forward, my hands instinctively coming up to cushion my fall, that one hand that is now closer to the barrel from which another bullet will come was now close enough to get powder residue but the FMJ probably didn’t leave much metal behind.
The barrel rise and or my falling is likely to account for the graze to my cheek, but to then get me in the back would require the barrel to be lowered to keep me in the line of fire of the fourth shot.

Unarmed I was no threat to anyone after my hip was shattered and I was falling to the ground.

The 2nd shot might have been reflex, after all the double tap is part of training to ensure a kill, the 3rd and fourth though was needed in this case to kill me.

As I died he came back, looked at me, then walked away.”

Your rendition matches the testimony and video shown.

[filly]

This is so sad and so horrific. I haven't had the stomach to watch this trial. If Rittenhouse gets off, it's open season on everybody and anybody "they" don't like.

[neeneko]

This is so sad and so horrific. I haven't had the stomach to watch this trial. If Rittenhouse gets off, it's open season on everybody and anybody "they" don't like.

I do kinda worry about how this trial might impact people like the 1st amendment auditing crowd. They already harass people in order to get a response out of them, I could see some of them getting it in their head to try to 'look dangerous' and goad people on camera into trying to disarm them or otherwise be threatening back.

[RVInit]

This is so sad and so horrific. I haven't had the stomach to watch this trial. If Rittenhouse gets off, it's open season on everybody and anybody "they" don't like.

You are taking all these rwnj tweets way too seriously. The jury is NOT getting the information that you are seeing on teh tweets. I don't know how else to keep saying that over and over and over and over again. This trial is NOT going the way they are saying it's going. I would NOT LIE TO YOU GUYS.

That said, of course, I have NO idea how the jury will find. I can only say that the trial si going far better for the prosecution than it is going for the defense. These people on Twitter are full of SHIT.

[Dave from down under]

There is that nut who reaches behind his back to his waistband in the hope that the ones he is harassing think he may be going for a gun,

And of course the stupid games Seim plays…