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pipistrelle wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:57 pm My memory is shot but I thought I was taught if you was born here you’re a citizen (assuming you want to be) and can run when you hit the age qualification. Also, if your parents are citizens and happen to pop you out in, say, Belgium, you’re a citizen unless you choose otherwise. Maybe I need a refresher.

bob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:42 pm Lost in all this was Laity's writing the Dersh to tell the Dersh that's he's wrong. Dersh, who taught at Harvard, and Laity, who bought a fake degree.

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:57 pm My memory is shot but I thought I was taught if you was born here you’re a citizen (assuming you want to be) and can run when you hit the age qualification. Also, if your parents are citizens and happen to pop you out in, say, Belgium, you’re a citizen unless you choose otherwise. Maybe I need a refresher.

noblepa wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:43 pm

Gregg wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:43 pm HE WAS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES!!!
HE WAS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES!!!
HE WAS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES!!!

ffs...

Shouting won't help. The birthers argue that NBC status requires that BOTH parents be US citizens at the time of the child's birth, and they will never be convinced otherwise.



Even if SCOTUS were to take a case that directly involved the question of someone's NBC status, The birthers will find some way to move the goalposts.

Roger Taney wrote: People of African descent "are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word 'citizens' in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States".

Gregg wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:49 am

The Supreme Court held in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 that

Roger Taney wrote: People of African descent "are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word 'citizens' in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States".

Obama's father was Kenyan, and thus Obama was of African descent, Q.E.D. everything is illegal and the country was thus surrendered to Anna von Pop Tart, forever and ever, Amen

1. In Scott v Sandford the court ruled blacks cannot be natural born citizens.
2. The 14th Amendment did not overtuirn that part of Scott v Sandford
3. The 14th Amendment only dictates that people born on US soil are citizens, i. e. "14th Amendment citizens".
4. Ergo, no black person can be a natural born citizen

Gregg wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:49 am
Obama's father was Kenyan, and thus Obama was of African descent, Q.E.D. everything is illegal and the country was thus surrendered to Anna von Pop Tart, forever and ever, Amen

Reality Check wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:59 am

Gregg wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:49 am

The Supreme Court held in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 that

Roger Taney wrote: People of African descent "are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word 'citizens' in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States".

Obama's father was Kenyan, and thus Obama was of African descent, Q.E.D. everything is illegal and the country was thus surrendered to Anna von Pop Tart, forever and ever, Amen

I saw Mario Apuzzo unabashedly cite Scott v Sandford several times in comments at various places.

Here is how the Birther argument would go if Barack Obama's father had been a naturalized citizen:

1. In Scott v Sandford the court ruled blacks cannot be natural born citizens.
2. The 14th Amendment did not overtuirn that part of Scott v Sandford
3. The 14th Amendment only dictates that people born on US soil are citizens, i. e. "14th Amendment citizens".
4. Ergo, no black person can be a natural born citizen

That is the logical end of the de Vattel nonsense.

Roger Taney was their kind of guy.

Frater I*I wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:13 am

Gregg wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:49 am
Obama's father was Kenyan, and thus Obama was of African descent, Q.E.D. everything is illegal and the country was thus surrendered to Anna von Pop Tart, forever and ever, Amen

Sir, we here at the Fogbowz show proper respect and should use her full title of the Dishonourable Anna von Strudel de la Pop-Tart

Reality Check wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:59 amI saw Mario Apuzzo unabashedly cite Scott v Sandford several times in comments at various places.

Laity wrote:Harris’s Father was NOT naturalized. I have provided absolute proof of this fact, in a signed, certified and stamped, document from the Director of the U.S. National Archives. Sharon has a copy, which I provided to her. I will also resend it today.

bob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:03 pm P&E comment:

Laity wrote:Harris’s Father was NOT naturalized. I have provided absolute proof of this fact, in a signed, certified and stamped, document from the Director of the U.S. National Archives. Sharon has a copy, which I provided to her. I will also resend it today.

Literally no one doubt that Harris' parents weren't citizens when she was born. But Laity continues to confuse action for achievement.

Reality Check wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:14 pm Factually pointing out that Chuckles Kerchner's late friend Mario Apuzzo had lost over a dozen times in court while pushing his theory that Minor v Happersett defined natural born citizen apparently crossed Rondeau's comment moderation threshold.

Rob Laity says:
Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:10 AM

All that hot air. The courts SAID that those born in the US to two citizen parents are NATURAL BORN citizens. All NBCs are citizens but not all citizens are NBCs.

ALL connections and application of British Law upon the jurisprudence of the USA, our NEW nation, independent and sovereign from Britain, ended on July 4, 1776.

British law does NOT apply in the USA nor does its jurisprudence.

Kerchner (at the P&E) wrote:The U.S. Constitution was entirely new law and their was no federal common law when it was written. Common law only existed within the 13 several states. The Law of Nations is even mentioned in the U.S. Constitution. See Article 1 Section 8. So those who say The Law of Nations was not used in writing the U.S. Constitution, or those who choose to ignore it, they are wrong and engaging in gas-lighting.

Clause 10

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Suranis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:31 am

Clause 10

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Anyone ever tell him that a chapter in Blackstone's Commentaries the most widely used Law book at the time of the writing of the constitution, was entitled "Of Offenses against the Law of Nations"?

Laity wrote:Just because [William Rawle] said it doesn’t make the statement true. Like many commenters on this thread who claim that one’s parents need not be US Citizens for their Child to be an NBC, Rawles was wrong.

Laity wrote:
Just because [William Rawle] said it doesn’t make the statement true. Like many commenters on this thread who claim that one’s parents need not be US Citizens for their Child to be an NBC, Rawles was wrong.

realist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:48 amBut if Laity or Apuzzo or Kerchner, et al. say it, that does make it true.

1. It does not matter that Minor v Happersett was unanimous or not.
2. Minor does not say that the only natural born citizens are those born in the US to citizen parents.
3. It does say there are only two kinds of citizens, natural born and naturalized.
4. Minor was not a citizenship case and the entire discussion of Virginia Minor’s citizenship was dicta.
5. No court has accepted Minor as the definitive case defining natural born.
6. Courts have accepted Wong Kim Ark as the definitive case deciding natural born. The vast majority of legal scholars agree.
7. In our country courts interpret the Constitution not private citizens.
8. No court has every ruled anyone born a citizen to be ineligible to serve as president based on parentage.
9. Barack Obama and Kamala Harris are natural born citizens and were eligible to serve in the offices they were elected and inaugurated.
10. No one’s like or dislike of any particular candidate or private views on the meaning of natural born will change 1 through 9.