Bragg Manhattan DA charges tfg? Hush money. tfg “INDICATED!” - CONVICTED!!

[AndyinPA]

We need a lot more of this.

[RVInit]

beautiful. perhaps this will be the judge that stands up to him. I will happily eat crow.

I've had to do that plenty of times, would be so very nice to have some company at the table.

I said earlier that if Merchan moves up the contempt hearing he means business. It's possible I could be mistaken, but I could have sworn the hearing was supposed to be on Thursday and now it's on Tuesday morning.

30 days. Or, even 10 days. Hell one day would make Trump's blood boil and might even be worth it. But my preference is at least a week. I want to Trump to be totally and completely humiliated . He is making a mockery of the legal system and I am hoping Merchan has noticed that and has the moxie to put an end to it. I actually think he does.

[bob]

[chancery]

I'm glad that good lawyers are starting to call out Tristan Snell's self-important bullshit.

https://twitter.com/AnthonyMKreis/statu ... 854477351

Anthony Michael Kreis
@AnthonyMKreis
Tristan Snell is right about 1/100 times he offers an opinion— and very often makes outlandish claims at that. Every expert of the NYS criminal system that I know has said that a first time offender in a case like this is very unlikely to get prison time.

[link to article entitled "Attorney Who Took Down Trump U Predicts Prison Time for Donald"]

[much ado]

Yeah, I think prison time is very unlikely.

But what are the likely penalties? Any of them monetary? Anything else? Would a felony conviction hamper Trump in any significant way?

[raison de arizona]

Hopefully the process isn't the punishment, but hey, I'll take it!

He’s calling it an “endurance contest” because sitting in a courtroom for 4 days is the hardest he’s worked in his life and he’s utterly exhausted.

If you consider sitting quietly in a room an “endurance contest” maybe you shouldn’t be president.

[MN-Skeptic]

I learned a new word today. I like it. Trump's lawyers asked for the names of the witnesses who would be testifying Monday. The prosecutor replied "'We are not supplying the names of the witness to a defendant who contumaciously' assails witnesses on social media."

From Merriam-Webster -

Contumaciously - stubbornly disobedient : rebellious
Example - She was warned that her contumacious conduct would not be tolerated.

Additional -

Legal contexts are one area where you might encounter this fancy word for "rebellious" or "insubordinate" - and the link between contumacious and the law goes back to Latin. The Latin adjective contumax means "rebellious," or, in specific cases, "showing contempt of court." Contumacious is related to contumely, meaning "harsh language or treatment arising from haughtiness and contempt." Both contumacious and contumely are thought to ultimately come from the Latin verb tumēre, meaning "to swell" or "to be proud."

[AndyinPA]

If he gets convicted, he won't be able to vote (for some period of time, I assume).

[raison de arizona]

If he gets convicted, he won't be able to vote (for some period of time, I assume).

And he won't be able to have firearms. Although IIRC he already couldn't and procured one anyway and everyone looked the other -SQUIRREL!

[bob]

I learned a new word today.

On Oldbow, Stern used contumacious
since 2009.

[MN-Skeptic]

I learned a new word today.

On Oldbow, Stern used contumacious
since 2009.

Oops. I missed that.

But I love that the term is now applied to Trump in a court proceeding.

[p0rtia]

We need a lot more of this.

I was surprised when Engoron let him wander in and out of the courtroom, and to leave a couple of minutes early at the end of the day, with Engoron still at the bench. Are defendants allowed to do that in civil court? Kept meaning to ask.

Anyway, this was _clearly_ a power-play by fuckhead, given force by Engoron's previous disinterest.

My favorite story of the day.

[bob]

I was surprised when Engoron let him wander in and out of the courtroom, and to leave a couple of minutes early at the end of the day, with Engoron still at the bench. Are defendants allowed to do that in civil court? Kept meaning to ask.

Unless ordered by the judge, no party is compelled to attend a civil trial.

In theory, a judge could order exits occur only during breaks. But there was no jury to distract, so I'm not surprised there was no such order in that case. (Annoying the fact finder, however, always is a Bad Idea.)

Whereas in criminal trials, the defendant's appearance is considered mandatory, unless the judge excuses it.

[chancery]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1781422313625247986

NEW: Trump’s application to the appellate court for a stay pending resolution of his change of venue motion has just been DENIED.

https://twitter.com/TimOBrien/status/17 ... 5681927278

Tim O'Brien
@TimOBrien
Trump’s team is already arguing in a NY appellate court that the jury selection was too fast. They want a halt to the trial and a venue change. Argues that completing selection in three days in “one of the most consequential criminal cases” is “untenable.”

Trump filed a motion-kind-of-thing* for a venue change in the First Department a couple of weeks ago, coupled with an application for a stay pending decision on the motion for a change in venue. The stay was denied shortly after the "motion" was filed; decision on the "motion" itself was deferred until later, which is normal.

I don't know if O'Brien is referring to the argument on the venue "motion" of a couple of weeks ago, during which Trump's counsel brought up a new argument based on the jury selection, or whether it's is an entirely new thing that he filed in the First Department, to address the jury selection. The article linked to in the tweet doesn't clarify this.


__________
* In light of the fact that interlocutory (i.e., before entry of final judgment) appeals aren't a thing in NYS criminal prosecutions, this was probably an Article 78 special proceeding started in the First Department, the NYS version of what is called "writ practice" in many other states. How it works, in light of the fact that you're not supposed to be able to use Article 78 proceedings as an routine end run around the prohibition on interlocutory appeals in prosecutions I dunno. It would be illuminating to see some of the papers, but that doesn't seem to be possible.

[p0rtia]

I was surprised when Engoron let him wander in and out of the courtroom, and to leave a couple of minutes early at the end of the day, with Engoron still at the bench. Are defendants allowed to do that in civil court? Kept meaning to ask.

Unless ordered by the judge, no party is compelled to attend a civil trial.

In theory, a judge could order exits occur only during breaks. But there was no jury to distract, so I'm not surprised there was no such order in that case. (Annoying the fact finder, however, always is a Bad Idea.)

Whereas in criminal trials, the defendant's appearance is considered mandatory, unless the judge excuses it.

Thanks, Bob

[p0rtia]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1781422313625247986

NEW: Trump’s application to the appellate court for a stay pending resolution of his change of venue motion has just been DENIED.

https://twitter.com/TimOBrien/status/17 ... 5681927278

Tim O'Brien
@TimOBrien
Trump’s team is already arguing in a NY appellate court that the jury selection was too fast. They want a halt to the trial and a venue change. Argues that completing selection in three days in “one of the most consequential criminal cases” is “untenable.”

"untenable" is not the word I would have picked, if I were trying to convince a judge that I was making a serious argument. I haven't read the filing, so perhaps he goes on to give specifics as to _why_ the 3 days is untenable, but following the idiotic "one of the most consequential criminal cases" this reads as bad bluster. Cf "It's a most consequential criminal case so 3 days is untenable, and it's untenable because it's a most consequential criminal case."

Now I'll go find the filing and come back with a bag over my head.

PS. And btw, it's _not_ "one of the most consequential criminal cases" you dorks.

[raison de arizona]

[Suranis]

Hopefully the process isn't the punishment, but hey, I'll take it!
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/stat ... 4387162249

He’s calling it an “endurance contest” because sitting in a courtroom for 4 days is the hardest he’s worked in his life and he’s utterly exhausted.

If you consider sitting quietly in a room an “endurance contest” maybe you shouldn’t be president.

I hate to be the guy who always interprets things differently, but I think he is sending a message to everyone. He keeps telling everyone to "stay strong" and not give in, so he is having to be an example to all the minions that THEY need to "stay strong too.

Basically he is being a mafia don. Don't crack because the Don is not going to crack... in theory.

So that's the reason for all the talk about strength and endurance. You cant crack.

In other news talking about the Farts earlier, I remember the reports about how he had to be lead away on the set of the Apprentice to be cleaned up after him soiling himself. People said he was basically incontinent. So, him having to sit there with his bowls in free flow has to be torture for everyone else. So the "Farts" is actually him relieving himself because he cant hold it in.

[raison de arizona]

I mean, yeah. Of course he is going to make a deal of it.

It being having to sit still for a few days.

[p0rtia]

[poplove]

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[chancery]

I don't know if O'Brien is referring to the argument on the venue "motion" of a couple of weeks ago, during which Trump's counsel brought up a new argument based on the jury selection, or whether it's is an entirely new thing that he filed in the First Department, to address the jury selection. The article linked to in the tweet doesn't clarify this.

Sort of clarification from Adam Klasfeld:

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/sta ... 341091176

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
Another spin on the merry-go-round reaches the same destination.

Katie Phang
@KatiePhang

NEW: Trump’s application to the appellate court for a stay pending resolution of his change of venue motion has just been DENIED.

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
Context:

Trump filed three applications in an appeals court before jury selection began, seeking to halt the trial.

All were rejected, and automatically reviewed by a five-judge panel.

So don’t be surprised if this happens again—with the same outcome.

[noblepa]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1781420433025245504

Judge Merchan: “We’re going to have opening statements on Monday morning. This trial is starting.”

Necheles asks again for the name of the prosecution’s first witness so they can prepare for cross-examination.

The prosecution: We’ll give it to you on Sunday. And if that name is tweeted, that courtesy will not be extended again.

If TFG does tweet the name, and I would be surprised if he didn't, and the prosecution follows through on their threat to not disclose the names of witnesses in advance, does that give Don Snoreleone the opportunity to ask for an adjurnment for a couple of days to "prepare for cross examination"? We all know that he will do anything he can to delay or prolong this trial.

Would Judge Merchan be inclined to grant such a delay?

[New Turtle]

They know the witness list, just not the order they are gonna be called. They are supposed to be ready for all of them at the start of the trial

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

Re: Turnip’s endless requests to delay the trial by any means necessary

Facts: He’s the penultimate salesperson. If you don’t ask, you don’t get.