Bringing the goods! Thanks, RV!
ETA: too bad the teacher is an alternate. But who really knows.
Bringing the goods! Thanks, RV!
So true. Especially these cases that become media circuses. Those are the cases where I often am shocked at the jury verdict. Cases where you never heard of the person the jury tends to find what you would expect based on the evidence. The media circus trials are problematic for sure.
I wonder if the Dad is now regretting that they severed the trials. Under that scenario he may well have been acquitted.RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:59 am The jury foreperson spoke. She said it was a difficult decision (as it should have been) and both sides were well represented. She said the final issue that convinced the "not guilty" group to change their viewpoint was that Jennifer Crumbley had been the last adult to have the gun in her possession. That was all she said. She wouldn't give her name or answer any other questions.
Yeah. But they have the same attorney. It seemed pretty clear during the trial that the plan was for Jennifer to throw James under the bus and I'm assuming James was going to throw Jennifer under the bus. It was really obvious that they planned all the under bussing, it was palpable. I'm thinking for James' trial they will go ahead with this plan. Although I saw a new interview with the foreperson this morning after I posted and she gave more information. Basically each juror came to their own reasoning, so they were not all in agreement that this was the issue. The initial interview did not make it clear she was only speaking about herself when she made that statement. She was more clear this morning.Maybenaut wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 9:28 amI wonder if the Dad is now regretting that they severed the trials. Under that scenario he may well have been acquitted.RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:59 am The jury foreperson spoke. She said it was a difficult decision (as it should have been) and both sides were well represented. She said the final issue that convinced the "not guilty" group to change their viewpoint was that Jennifer Crumbley had been the last adult to have the gun in her possession. That was all she said. She wouldn't give her name or answer any other questions.
Right. I guess what I’m saying is here there was an actual jury that considered the fact that she was the last one with the gun as a determinative factor of guilt. If they had been tried together, that might’ve resulted in an acquittal for him. Now that they’re being tried separately, he can make that same argument to the jury, but this new jury might not give a shit about it and might hang liability on something else (like the lock, as you mention).RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 11:39 amYeah. But they have the same attorney. It seemed pretty clear during the trial that the plan was for Jennifer to throw James under the bus and I'm assuming James was going to throw Jennifer under the bus. It was really obvious that they planned all the under bussing, it was palpable.Maybenaut wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 9:28 amI wonder if the Dad is now regretting that they severed the trials. Under that scenario he may well have been acquitted.RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:59 am The jury foreperson spoke. She said it was a difficult decision (as it should have been) and both sides were well represented. She said the final issue that convinced the "not guilty" group to change their viewpoint was that Jennifer Crumbley had been the last adult to have the gun in her possession. That was all she said. She wouldn't give her name or answer any other questions.
Yes, I get what you were saying. I see that I started a sentence with the word "but" and realize that changed the tone of what I meant. I really do need to start trying to get more sleep.Maybenaut wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:47 pmRight. I guess what I’m saying is here there was an actual jury that considered the fact that she was the last one with the gun as a determinative factor of guilt. If they had been tried together, that might’ve resulted in an acquittal for him. Now that they’re being tried separately, he can make that same argument to the jury, but this new jury might not give a shit about it and might hang liability on something else (like the lock, as you mention).RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 11:39 amYeah. But they have the same attorney. It seemed pretty clear during the trial that the plan was for Jennifer to throw James under the bus and I'm assuming James was going to throw Jennifer under the bus. It was really obvious that they planned all the under bussing, it was palpable.
We now know, but only in hindsight, that this jury was likely his best chance at acquittal. Not saying he would have been, but who knows. The defense counsel don’t have a crystal ball. They don’t know what the jury is going to do, and you never know what fact is going to loom largest in the jurors’ mind.
I once got an acquittal at the trial level one time, where the jury picked up on a fact impacting the credibility of the star witness that neither I nor the prosecution ever noticed or mentioned. But the jury noticed it, and afterward, during voir dire of the jury they were like, after we discovered that fact, we didn’t believe a thing that witness said. As discussed elsewhere on this forum, falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
From the reporting it seems the wife micromanaged the husband's life, she held the keys to the household so to speak...
Ditto, do tell!
Exactly what I meant by "she told him when to pee". I am not 100% sure that there is actually a text message specifically telling him "go pee now", but after seeing the degree to which she micromanaged him it would not surprise me one bit if there actually is such a message.Frater I*I wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 9:24 pmFrom the reporting it seems the wife micromanaged the husband's life, she held the keys to the household so to speak...
PONTIAC, Mich. — The father of the teenager who fatally shot four students at his Michigan high school had his jail communication privileges limited because he made "threatening statements," authorities said Thursday.
James Crumbley, 47, is on trial for involuntary manslaughter in connection with the killings his son carried out at Oxford High School in suburban Detroit in 2021.
Crumbley's jail phone and electronic messages have "been limited due to threatening statements he made while on the phone and in electronic messages," the Oakland County Sheriff’s Office said. A spokesperson did not provide more details about whom the alleged statements were made toward.
A court order signed Thursday by the judge overseeing his trial stipulates that Crumbley's communications are now revoked, except for with his lawyer or legitimate clergy or for using his tablet for research.
Sucks to be him...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mi ... rcna143995Michigan school shooter's father allegedly threatened to destroy the prosecutor in the case against him
The Oakland County prosecutor's office said Wednesday that James Crumbley threatened the prosecutor by name, warning her what was going to happen to her when he is released.
What a great parent. I wonder what they can do, if anything, about a threat like that. Even being in prison doesn't mean he can't do (instruct others) something.raison de arizona wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:47 amhttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mi ... rcna143995Michigan school shooter's father allegedly threatened to destroy the prosecutor in the case against him
The Oakland County prosecutor's office said Wednesday that James Crumbley threatened the prosecutor by name, warning her what was going to happen to her when he is released.
To be honest, I am pretty sure the prosecutors and office have procedures in place for things like this. This would not be first jailhouse threat lobbed at a DA.Rolodex wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:10 amWhat a great parent. I wonder what they can do, if anything, about a threat like that. Even being in prison doesn't mean he can't do (instruct others) something.raison de arizona wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:47 amhttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mi ... rcna143995Michigan school shooter's father allegedly threatened to destroy the prosecutor in the case against him
The Oakland County prosecutor's office said Wednesday that James Crumbley threatened the prosecutor by name, warning her what was going to happen to her when he is released.