The dregs of birther remainders.

[bob]

P&E: The nbC Eligibility Brainwashing Runs Deep

P&E comment:

On April 11, 1862 …Bingham rose on the House floor in support of such a proposed amendment. … “all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural-born citizens.

In the beginning of the same paragraph, Rep. Bingham says,

The Constitution leaves no room for doubt about this subject. The word ‘natural-born citizen of the United States’ occur in it, and the other provision also occurs in it that ‘Congress shall have power to pass a uniform system of naturalization.’ To naturalize a person is to admit him to citizenship. Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the Republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth – natural-born citizens.

Does the author agree with Congressman Bingham that “citizens by birth” are natural-born citizens?

P&E: nbC Comment Merits Response:

The answer is: “As the question is posed, no, but with explanatory qualifications.”

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In order to reconcile what might be seen as (or suggested to be) an inconsistency between Congressman Bingham’s statements as noted in the comment and as set out in your servant’s post, one needs to read the entire paragraph containing his remarks. Specifically, after first stating that “[t]hose born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth – natural-born citizens…,” Bingham thereafter added that the term nbC meant that, whether black or white, the person had to have been born to “parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty….” Clearly, when he referred to a “citizen by birth” as being an nbC, it was conditioned by a recognition that the nbC was a person born here to parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty: two U.S. citizen parents.

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Bingham believed – correctly – that an nbC was a person born here to two U.S. citizen parents who possessed undivided allegiance to the United States alone. While the 14th Amendment affects all “citizens,” including nbC’s, it neither creates nbC’s nor does it alter the definition or meaning of the term as understood by Congressman John Bingham or as the Founders intended when they adopted it in Art. 2, § 1, Cl. 5 of the Constitution.

Good thing the U.S. Constitution is governed exclusively by what Bingham (who was not a Framer of the U.S. Constitution) believes.


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[bob]

P&E: Ramaswamy Withdraws, Endorses Trump:

BUT WAS HE EVER ELIGIBLE?

In the wake of the results of the 2024 Iowa Republican caucuses Monday evening, presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy announced he would suspend his campaign and endorsed fellow candidate, former president and leading Republican primary contender Donald J. Trump.

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In an interview with NBC News last fall, Ramaswamy revealed his parents, though present in the U.S. lawfully, were not naturalized at the time of his birth in Cincinnati, OH in 1985, an eligibility requirement some scholars believe the Framers of the Constitution imposed . . . .

On January 8, Trump reposted on TruthSocial a graphic from an article published by The Gateway Pundit summarizing the findings of law clerk, 2022 John Marshall Fellow, Trump-administration intern and commentator Paul Ingrassia stating unequivocally of Haley, whose birth circumstances mirror Ramaswamy’s, “The Constitution Absolutely Prohibits Nikki Haley From Being President Or Vice President.”

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The mainstream media immediately excoriated Trump for revitalizing “birther” claims which he once focused on Barack Hussein Obama regarding his then-missing “birth certificate.”

On April 27, 2011, the Obama White House released what it said was Obama’s “long-form” birth certificate allegedly proving he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.

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Mike Zullo, a former detective who conducted a 5+-year investigation into the birth-certificate image and found it to be fraudulent, reported more than five years ago and again this month that it remains an “open secret” in Washington, DC that Obama “was not born in this country and that the birth certificate was manufactured.”

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As legal scholar Joseph DeMaio has referenced over the years, the U.S. Supreme Court has not issued an opinion concerning the definition of ”natural born Citizen,” choosing rather to “evade” it after questions arose, beginning in 2007 and culminating in numerous legal challenges, as to Obama’s eligibility.

Typical Rondeau coatrack, as the article mostly discusses Obama who (checks notes) hasn't run in a primary in over a decade.

[bob]

[bob]

P&E: nbC Comment Merits Response

So, does this mean that parents of an “nbC” must be born-sole-U.S.-citizens and not naturalized-U.S.-citizens who also posses non-renounced foreign-citizenship(s)? In other words, can an nbC have parents with dual citizenships, such as a parent legally naturalized to be a U.S. citizen, while at the same time, fully retaining, say, a parent’s [born in Norway] Norwegian-citizenship?

P&E: The Mooers Comment/Question:

As a prefatory point prior to what follows, P&E readers must understand that your humble servant’s views on the nbC issue are his and his alone.

Yathink?

Fast-forwarding to the present, the Mooers question remains: if a presidential (or 12th Amendment vice-presidential) candidate is the offspring of two parents, one or both of whom are “dual citizens” or “dual-nationals” of the United States and a foreign nation, will that be a disqualifying event?

In all candor, your humble servant cannot give a categorical answer . . . .

THEN WHY ARE WE HERE??!?

Such a circle jerk.

[realist]

THEN WHY ARE WE HERE??!?

Such a circle jerk.

Indeed.

[Reality Check]

I've have been lurking over in the comments at Paul Ingrassia's Substack. The Birther's there are every bit as stupid as the ones at the P&E.

https://paulingrassia.substack.com/p/th ... -prohibits

[Suranis]

I, for one, would like to thank the Birthers for helping make Barack Obama in\eligible to assume the Presidency.

[bob]

I've have been lurking over in the comments at Paul Ingrassia's Substack. The Birther's there are every bit as stupid as the ones at the P&E.

SPEAKING OF: P&E: Bannon: “We’ve Gotta Get Into” the “natural born Citizen” Controversy:

Toward the end of an 8+-minute interview Wednesday with law clerk, writer and legal scholar Paul Ingrassia, “War Room” host Steve Bannon pledged to “get into” the subject of the Constitution’s Article II, Section 1, clause 5 presidential requirement of “natural born Citizen.”

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With 7:30 left in the segment, Bannon changed the subject with, “You’ve also written a very controversial piece about natural born Citizens. I don’t have time to take it up today, but it is a [sic] quite big topic that we’ve gotta get into, so we’re going to have you back…”

THRILLING STUFF!

[bob]

I've have been lurking over in the comments at Paul Ingrassia's Substack. The Birther's there are every bit as stupid as the ones at the P&E.

https://paulingrassia.substack.com/p/th ... -prohibits

Ingrassia blocked some jerk* on Twitter.

I don't think I can be bothered to jump into his comments section.

[bob]

Dead ender gotta dead end.

Ingrassia published his latest brainfart on his substack, but it is also the Gateway Pundit: No, The Constitution Does Not Allow Children Born Of Non-Citizens To Become President Of The United States.

It is nothing, like you've seen before: Vattel, Minor, etc.

I did enjoy this:

President Trump’s legal team – or, ideally, the Republican National Committee – should file a lawsuit to automatically challenge Nikki Haley’s eligibility for President. It is clear, based on the original understanding of natural-born citizenship, that Haley is ineligible to serve as President – as well as Vice President, under the Twelfth Amendment. Wong Kim Ark results in more questions than answers, particularly on the fundamental issue of Presidential Eligibility.

PAUL! You ARE work for a MAGA lawyer! Step up and take the case. Doesn't even have to be pro bono; the cultists already pay for his other lawyers.

[DrConspiracy]

Remember Larry Sinclair? Well Montgomery Blair Sibley says he's representing Sinclair in some unspecified thing, so reports the Washington Examiner. News conference at the Nation Press Club on Wednesday.

I take on clients who need representation and can’t find it through traditional sources which are loath to de-rail their career trajectories by associating with unpopular individuals.

[neonzx]

Remember Larry Sinclair? Well Montgomery Blair Sibley says he's representing Sinclair in some unspecified thing, so reports the Washington Examiner. News conference at the Nation Press Club on Wednesday.

I take on clients who need representation and can’t find it through traditional sources which are loath to de-rail their career trajectories by associating with unpopular individuals.

Oh no, not him again.
Back in the day, MB Sibley was asked by a reporter why he was wearing a kilt. It's because of the size of his manhood.

[bob]

Remember Larry Sinclair? Well Montgomery Blair Sibley says he's representing Sinclair in some unspecified thing, so reports the Washington Examiner. News conference at the Nation Press Club on Wednesday.

I take on clients who need representation and can’t find it through traditional sources which are loath to de-rail their career trajectories by associating with unpopular individuals.

That article is from 2008, when Sibley originally represented Sinclair.

I don't believe Sibley has regained his license.

[Suranis]

Remember Larry Sinclair? Well Montgomery Blair Sibley says he's representing Sinclair in some unspecified thing, so reports the Washington Examiner. News conference at the Nation Press Club on Wednesday.

I take on clients who need representation and can’t find it through traditional sources which are loath to de-rail their career trajectories by associating with unpopular individuals.

Oh no, not him again.
Back in the day, MB Sibley was asked by a reporter why he was wearing a kilt. It's because of the size of his manhood.

I know you want to relive these special moments.

[DrConspiracy]

That article is from 2008, when Sibley originally represented Sinclair.

I don't believe Sibley has regained his license.

Wonder why Google sent me an alert. Oh well, never mind.

[Reality Check]

Wonder why Google sent me an alert. Oh well, never mind.

Does anyone know if the courts in NY upheld the denial of a conceal carry permit that Sibley was seeking? On his blog he has a video of a hearing that was held in 2021. http://amoprobos.blogspot.com/

This is the hearing:


He has not updated his blog since 2021.

Sibley said he needed to have the handgun to shoot a skunk. No kidding.

[northland10]

1. You need a handgun for shooting animals? Who hunts, even for pest animals, with a handgun. A rifle works better, and a 22 would probably be fine for a skunk. A rifle is also far more useful since you would want to keep your distance and thus, need the aim of a small rifle.

2. If it is for the skunks you come upon while walking through the neighborhood, the neighbors would not be happy with you opening fire in front of their house. My experience has been, change to the other side of the road instead.

3. If there are skunks on your property, trapping would work just as easily. Some folks think, shoot first, think about the usefulness later, or never.

It's like those who decide that they can take a handgun in case of bears. Most handguns would only annoy the bear, and you have to be a good shot to hit them in the best spot. Bear spray works better because you don't have to be very accurate (helpful as you can unload further away and still stop them), and it will slow them down, giving you time to wander off while it tries to clean itself.

[Dr. Ken]

Remember Larry Sinclair? Well Montgomery Blair Sibley says he's representing Sinclair in some unspecified thing, so reports the Washington Examiner. News conference at the Nation Press Club on Wednesday.

I take on clients who need representation and can’t find it through traditional sources which are loath to de-rail their career trajectories by associating with unpopular individuals.

If you ask birthers Sinclair has been dead for about a decade.

[Reality Check]

Here is the part where he talks about wanting to kill a skunk:

[neonzx]

If you ask birthers Sinclair has been dead for about a decade.

Sinclair was never a birther. His "story" was too far out there even for them.

[Suranis]

If you ask birthers Sinclair has been dead for about a decade.

Ya he was killed by Obama in a fake suicide. The fact that he was spotted walking around a day after he posted a suicide note was inconvenient.

[bob]

You need a handgun for shooting animals?

Sibley claimed he was hired to be a pest-control specialist, and that a handgun was a necessary tool.

As for his case, Sibley mostly lost. Sibley's boss said a handgun would be useful but not necessary. That ended the case, but Sibley carried on in a Klayman-esque manner with little success.

The court did vacate an order specifying Sibley couldn't reapply for a permit until he rejoined the N.Y. bar. Sibley isn't going to get a permit (he's already been found to lack good moral character), but the reviewing court decided the rejoining requirement was a step too far.

Sibley, of course, appealed further, but that went nowhere.

[Reality Check]

Thanks for the latest.

I had forgotten but Sibley also had filed a suit in 2015 in DC District Court against Congress to try to force them to call an Article V convention to amend the US Constitution. He had claimed the requisite number of states had petitioned Congress for such a convention. He lost of course, and lost on appeal and SCOTUS denied cert.

https://casetext.com/case/sibley-v-mcconnell

[johnpcapitalist]

You need a handgun for shooting animals?

Sibley claimed he was hired to be a pest-control specialist, and that a handgun was a necessary tool.

Damn! There must be some really impressive cockroaches where Sibley lives (other than himself, of course).

[bob]

P&E: Another Modest Proposal:

Your humble servant has on several prior occasions made some hypothetical “modest proposals” here at The P&E…, none of which has thus far come to fruition. That aside, here is another one, but not – ** sigh of relief ** – on the nbC “presidential eligibility” issue.

Executive summary: "DeMaio" wants every new voter registered since Biden took office to prove they're citizens.

So "DeMaio"'s perfect track record of continues.