King Charles III and Queen Consort Camilla (Scorpio/Cancer) + Queen Elizabeth II

[pipistrelle]

IIRC, Camilla Parker Bowles was a commoner, which was one of the strikes against her. I remember a lot of comments about her looks as well. I could be misremembering the first part.

[Gregg]

For some reason that I have not seen clearly explained, no female heir to the throne has ever been created "Princess of Wales" in her own right. The most recent example was, of course, Elizabeth II, who was heir to the throne from the abdication of her uncle, Edward VIII (11 Dec 1936) until the death of her father, George VI (6 Feb 1952). She was never Princess of Wales.

The Wikipedia article on the Prince of Wales lists the 23 men who have held the title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Wales

TL:DR Edward VI

Long form...
That's complicated. First, only 4 times in history has the heir presumptive been female, Mary, Elizabeth, Victoria and Elizabeth. Mary is a good place to start, because she was always Henry VIII's oldest but when Edward VI was born he automatically had the right to the title Prince of Wales. The title Prince of Wales is reserved for the heir to the throne only and in theory, if a male heir had been born they would have displaced all four of them so that is why they were never created Princess of Wales and also why the title has not automatically fallen on the heir as many of the other titles do.

Now, since the succession law has been changed and it is now the oldest child of the sovereign who is the heir without regard to sex, it's possible that a Princess of Wales could be created but we'll never live to see it because it would be at least the daughter of Prince George who is 9 years old and currently 2nd in line to the throne.

[June bug]

For some reason that I have not seen clearly explained, no female heir to the throne has ever been created "Princess of Wales" in her own right. The most recent example was, of course, Elizabeth II, who was heir to the throne from the abdication of her uncle, Edward VIII (11 Dec 1936) until the death of her father, George VI (6 Feb 1952). She was never Princess of Wales.

The Wikipedia article on the Prince of Wales lists the 23 men who have held the title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Wales

The title of Prince(ss) of Wales is reserved to the heir apparent to the throne. Elizabeth was instead the heir presumptive after Edward abdicated because, if George had had a son after that, that son would have automatically become the heir apparent.

No longer the case, as they no longer give primacy to male gender.

Edit: Damn! Ninja’d by the Commander!

[New Turtle]

Didn't they also change the rule so kings have a 10 year reign and queens reign for life?

[much ado]

Yes, thanks Gregg and June bug. That is the reason.

[Gregg]

Ummm. No.

Up to Elizabeth or at most Victoria they never really wrapped their head around letting women do it all. Which is strange because let's face it, history has judged the Kings of England and Britain as about 50/50 good/bad and the Queens who reined are a solid 4 and 1 with a tie if you count Jane Grey.

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

Prince Phillip could be called Prince because he had royal ancestry, I think from Greece, plus he was a distant relative to the Windsors before they became the Windsors.

In the TV Series The Crown Phillip gave up being Prince from his royal family when he married Elizabeth. After Charles was born and old enough to tell Phillip that he, Charles, didn't have to do what Phillip said because Charles was a prince, Elizabeth made Phillip an English prince and some other titles.

[Luke]

It appears that more and more Dorgis are being stationed on the Plan UNICORN route. There's been a lot of speculation that Queen Elizabeth's Candy the Dorgi was a Patron of the 699th Airborne Assault Dachshund Regiment based at Der Dachshundbünker, but requests for comment from Lt Col Root Beer and Lt Biscuit have gone unanswered.

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Irish Examiner:

Badly-behaving corgis and dinky dorgis: Queen Elizabeth II's dynasty of dogs
She got her first corgi at 18 and they were an almost-constant presence in her long life
THU, 08 SEP, 2022 - 21:00 LAURA ELSTON, PA COURT REPORTER

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The snappy little dogs had a penchant for nipping servants’ ankles, but Britain's Queen Elizabeth II was devoted to her corgis. Her first, Susan, was given to her as an 18th birthday present by her parents in 1944. The queen had fallen in love with her father’s dog Dookie, a Pembrokeshire corgi, and wanted one of her own. Susan became the founder of the queen’s royal dog dynasty but she was not always well-behaved. She bit a royal clockwinder on the ankle and was also rather partial to going for servants’ legs. Her grandson, Whisky, apparently tore the seat out of a guards officer’s trousers. During her reign, the queen owned more than 30 corgis, with many of them direct descendants from Susan, who was so loved that she accompanied Princess Elizabeth on her honeymoon. In April 2018, the queen was left devastated when Willow, her final corgi descended from Susan, died. She had adopted a corgi Whisper following the death of its owner, a former Sandringham gamekeeper, but Willow was the last one with links to her line of corgis. Whisper died in October 2018, leaving the queen without any corgis at all. It had been suggested she would not take on any more puppies from the breed because she did want to leave any young dogs behind.

Her two remaining dogs were dorgis, Candy and Vulcan, but Vulcan died in December 2020, leaving the monarch with just one dog, Candy. But then early in 2021, the queen was given two new puppies, one dorgi and one corgi, as a gift by the Duke of York while staying in lockdown at Windsor. The puppies kept the delighted monarch entertained while Prince Philip was in hospital and Buckingham Palace and the royals were dealing with the bitter fallout from Megxit and the Sussexes’ Oprah interview. The queen named the dorgi Fergus after her uncle who was killed in action during the First World War, and the corgi Muick, pronounced Mick, after Loch Muick on the Balmoral estate. But the monarch was devastated with five-month-old Fergus died just weeks later, in the aftermath of Philip’s death. He was later replaced with a new corgi puppy, from Andrew and Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie for her official 95th birthday, who the Queen named Sandy. The puppies were a constant source of joy for the monarch during lockdown, her dresser Angela Kelly said. In March 2020, as the queen headed for the safety of Windsor during England’s first lockdown, she was spotted being driven away from the Palace with her dorgis in tow.

The queen introduced the new breed of dog known as the “dorgi” when her corgi Tiny was mated with a dachshund “sausage dog” called Pipkin which belonged to Princess Margaret. When asked how the diminutive dachshunds coped with the comparatively colossal corgis, the queen reportedly replied in a matter-of-fact fashion: “Oh, it’s very simple — we have a little brick they stand on.” Her preferred breed of dog was not everybody’s favourite. Her son Charles, for one, likes Jack Russells more than Welsh corgis, as they are officially known. Corgis are liable to bite people’s legs because their forebears rounded up sheep by snapping at their feet. One footman at the palace found a novel way of getting his own back. He spiked the dogs’ food and water with whisky and gin, then watched in amusement as the tipsy animals staggered around. But his act of treason was discovered and he was demoted. Singer Max Bygraves once revealed how, when dining with the queen, a flatulent corgi left him red-faced. “I hope you don’t think that was me,” he told the queen. At one stage, the queen was forced to call in a dog psychiatrist when her corgis kept setting upon each other. The worst incident was when Ranger, who belonged to the queen mother, killed the queen’s dorgi Chipper in 1989.

Two years later the queen was bitten on the left hand while trying to break up a fight between six of her corgis and two of the queen mother’s at Windsor. She needed three stitches and her chauffeur needed a tetanus jab. Canine psychiatrist Dr Roger Mugford prescribed an ear-piercing rape alarm which the queen used to break up the dog fights. He also sent the leader of the pack, Apollo, to live with the Princess Royal. But sometimes it was the corgis who found themselves under attack. In 2003, as the royals were gathering for Christmas at Sandringham in Norfolk, one befell a tragic fate. Pharos — one of the Queen’s oldest corgis — was savaged by another dog and had to be put down. The queen was devastated at the death of one of her favourite pets. Dottie, the English bull terrier, owned by the Princess Royal, was blamed. The year before, Anne had been fined £500 when the same dog attacked two children in Windsor Great Park. Some days later, an announcement from the palace was met with surprise when it was revealed that it was a case of mistaken identity. The real killer of Pharos was Florence, another of Anne’s dogs. Pharos was buried in the Sandringham grounds, joining Susan and some of the other corgis who had gravestones there.

In 2012, one of the queen’s corgis, Monty, had a starring role in the James Bond sketch which the queen recorded for the London Olympics opening ceremony. Monty, Willow and another corgi Holly, greeted the secret agent, played by Daniel Craig, as he arrived at the Palace to accept a mission from the Queen. The dogs ran down the stairs, performed tummy rolls and then stood as a helicopter took off for the Olympic stadium, carrying Bond and a stunt double of the monarch. Monty, who was 13, died a couple of months later. Holly was put down in October 2016 after suffering from an illness, then leaving Willow as the queen’s final corgi descended from Susan. The original royal corgi, Dookie, was bought by the queen’s father, George VI, when Duke of York, in 1933. He had admired a friend’s corgi and decided to own one himself. Dookie was a Pembrokeshire corgi from the Rozavel Kennels in Surrey. Corgis were then a little-known breed and had only been admitted to the Kennel Club as one worthy of championship status in 1928. In 1936, the King acquired a second corgi, called Jane, who had puppies on Christmas Eve. Two were kept and were named Carol and Crackers. Princess Elizabeth grew up with these dogs and was given her own for her 18th birthday in 1944. Susan was a bitch, from a Cambridgeshire kennel, who was born on February 20 1944, and died on January 26 1959.

The monarch looked after her own dogs as much as possible. During weekends spent at Windsor, the corgis went too and lived in her private apartments. She fed them herself, whenever her busy schedule permitted. She mixed their feed with a spoon and a fork from ingredients brought on a tray by a footman. She also enjoyed walking the dogs, who knew when it was time for their exercise. If the Queen came in wearing a tiara, they laid glumly on the carpet – if she was in a headscarf, they knew it was time for walkies. The Duke of York said his mother’s love of her corgis helped keep her fit. “She is just amazing at her age and she walks a long way, the dogs keep her active,” Andrew said. Perhaps less associated with the queen were her Labradors and cocker spaniels, which were bred and kept at Sandringham and were also firm favourites. There is a special Sandringham strain of black Labrador founded in 1911. They are working gundogs more than pets but the queen had a close bond with them, particularly during the shooting season.

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[Luke]

Leave it to Chuckles to zero in on the birfer angle:

Charles Kerchner @cdrkerchner 37m
Kamala Harris Owes Homage and Allegiance to the King of Jamaica – King Charles III
cdrkerchner.wordpress.com
King Charles III — King of Jamaica and England – Under the Jamaican Constitution King Charles III is the King of Jamaica and is Kamala Harris’ Sovereign. As a Citizen of Jamaica a…

Kamala Harris Owes Homage and Allegiance to the King of Jamaica – King Charles III

King Charles III — King of England and Jamaica – Under the Jamaican Constitution King Charles III is the King of Jamaica and is Kamala Harris’ Sovereign. As a person born with dual allegiance, foreign influence, and dual-citizenship – Kamala Harris is thus NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States. A “natural born Citizen” of the United States is a person born with sole allegiance and unity of citizenship at birth to the USA and only the USA, i.e., a person born in the USA to parents who were both Citizens (born or naturalized) at the time of their child’s birth in the USA. A person born with no foreign citizenship and attendant foreign influence and allegiance claims on them, as per the Principles of Natural Law.

For more about Kamala Harris being a Jamaican Citizenship at Birth per the Constitution of Jamaica, Chapter 2, Section 3C, see this link: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2020/ ... anthinker/ … and … https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2020/ ... inc-or-vp/
The King of England is also the King of Jamaica. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Jamaica

Kamala Harris as a Jamaican Citizen at birth owes “homage” and allegiance to her Sovereign, the King of Jamaica, the King of England. Any claim to U.S. citizenship by her birth in California in 1964 to two non-U.S. Citizen (foreign national) parents in the USA on temporary VISA’s does not dissolve or abrogate or remove her required allegiance and homage owed at birth to Jamaica and the Queen of Jamaica, the Queen of England at the time of Kamala’s birth, and now the new King of England, King Charles III. She was born a dual-Citizen (and still is a dual-Citizen) with divided allegiance and foreign influence on her at and since her birth. She is not a “natural born Citizen” of the United States and thus constitutionally not eligible to serve as President and Commander in Chief, or to serve as the VP per the 12th Amendment (last line).

CDR Charles Kerchner, P.E. (Retired)
Lehigh Valley PA USA

https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2022/ ... arles-iii/

[Sam the Centipede]

Jokin' aside, Jamaica might get interesting. I don't know what the situation is about Charles becoming head of the Commonwealth, that will probably happen.

But Queenie was the head of state of several (14? I think I read) ex-Empire countries, including Jamaica. In some she was head of state by being monarch of England or the UK or something.

But in some she was head of state as Mrs. E. Windsor, The Big House, 1 The Mall, London.

So constitutions might require amendment, possibly requiring referendums. And several Caribbean countries were already reviewing their connections to the old empire. Prince William certainly made it clear on a recent visit for Barbados's independence that the decision was entirely for each country, and that would be respected.

So Jamaica might well decide that this is the moment to server that formal bond.

[keith]

Prince Phillip could be called Prince because he had royal ancestry, I think from Greece, plus he was a distant relative to the Windsors before they became the Windsors.

In the TV Series The Crown Phillip gave up being Prince from his royal family when he married Elizabeth. After Charles was born and old enough to tell Phillip that he, Charles, didn't have to do what Phillip said because Charles was a prince, Elizabeth made Phillip an English prince and some other titles.

Phillip could have been King of Greece had he not renounced his claimto marry Elizabeth.

[RTH10260]

Greece abolished the monarchy in 1973, his reign may have been short lived.

[jemcanada2]

Jokin' aside, Jamaica might get interesting. I don't know what the situation is about Charles becoming head of the Commonwealth, that will probably happen.

But Queenie was the head of state of several (14? I think I read) ex-Empire countries, including Jamaica. In some she was head of state by being monarch of England or the UK or something.

But in some she was head of state as Mrs. E. Windsor, The Big House, 1 The Mall, London.

So constitutions might require amendment, possibly requiring referendums. And several Caribbean countries were already reviewing their connections to the old empire. Prince William certainly made it clear on a recent visit for Barbados's independence that the decision was entirely for each country, and that would be respected.

So Jamaica might well decide that this is the moment to server that formal bond.

I wondered about that for Canada. Apparently, it happens automatically that Charles becomes the King of Canada. It’s going to take awhile for me to become accustomed to saying King Charles.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-p ... -1.6575741

Oops! Screwed up the quote thingie.

Edit: Fixed - Foggy

[pipistrelle]

I wondered about that for Canada. Apparently, it happens automatically that Charles becomes the King of Canada. It’s going to take awhile for me to become accustomed to saying King Charles.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-p ... -1.6575741

Will he make appearances with Queen Romana?

[jemcanada2]

I wondered about that for Canada. Apparently, it happens automatically that Charles becomes the King of Canada. It’s going to take awhile for me to become accustomed to saying King Charles.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-p ... -1.6575741

Will he make appearances with Queen Romana?

I’m sure it’s on the itinerary

[Luke]

William reached out to Harry and Meghan and they, along with Kate, are doing a walkabout with the public as King Charles did. It's so great, we remember the two little boys after Princess Diana passed away. They look great and it's important to show them with people outside Windsor Castle. TBH, we wanted them to skip Charles and go right to William, but it's none of our business. Looks like a beautiful day... still amazing about the double rainbow a few days back.

Tomorrow, Sunday, is Operation UNICORN, the moving of the coffin by rail from Balmoral to London.

Strangely, they haven't mentioned Queen Romana yet. Maybe they are waiting to have a major reveal at the funeral when they do a public appearance together and King Charles kneels to Queen Romana and her aliens. Has anybody looked at her Telegram to see how she feels about it?

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ETA: The Royal Family YouTube channel has it live, guess it will be available later and that's awesome.

[Kendra]

I've been watching, that is so cool they took the time for this, what a treat for those who came out today. That's a lot of hands they're shaking.

[northland10]

But, I was reading that William hated Harry and Meghan and would not let them be involved in anything.

Some folks are desperate to find petty nastiness in famous folks. Seems like extra effort to make it up when Trump and the MAGA folk provide it in abundance, for free.

[p0rtia]

I think Katy Tur has trademarked "Rift".

I know, I know. But seriously, she continues to sink in my esteem, and since I used to like her a lot, I take it personally.

[Kriselda Gray]

Prince Phillip could be called Prince because he had royal ancestry, I think from Greece, plus he was a distant relative to the Windsors before they became the Windsors.

Ok, interesting - thanks again!

[Kriselda Gray]

William reached out to Harry and Meghan and they, along with Kate, are doing a walkabout with the public as King Charles did.

Just a couple days ago I was reading that neither William nor Harry was were willing to speak to each other until the other had apologized. Maybe this period of mourning, transition and change will be a chance for them to heal that rift and be able to be family again?

[Chilidog]

I think the rule is, a Prince or Princess is the son/daughter or grandson/granddaughter of the Sovereign. So Prince Harry is a Prince but his son has no birthright title, I think. I'm not sure if he is Lord Archie who will become Duke of Suffolk on his father's death, little Lillybet will always be just Lillybet as far as I know.

since they’re now the grandchildren of the king, i believe they are now Prince Archie and Princess Lillybeth.

didn’t Harry renounce his title?

[northland10]

didn’t Harry renounce his title?

No. They stepped down from their royal duties and various attached roles. Technically he is still HRH but will not use it in public. He will not represent the King or the royal family and I think, as they move along, they will be self-supporting.

As in all thing British, there is never a simple explanation. Lots of grey area (just look at the structure of the Church of England and the Anglican Communion).

[Gregg]

I think Katy Tur has trademarked "Rift".

I know, I know. But seriously, she continues to sink in my esteem, and since I used to like her a lot, I take it personally.

This!

Plus, I stayed up until 4 AM to watch the Ascension Council live and those twats on MSNBC muted out the sound and talked about how historic it all was and how important it all was and how big a deal we got to see it live and JUST SHUT UP SO WE CAN SEE IT< OKAY!


They are afraid that if they shut up for 30 seconds they'll cease to exist, they'd talk over a concert to explain the notes.

[p0rtia]

I ended up on the BBC. Much better coverage (and the proper accents).