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My new next door neighbors are racists asshats who took down Old Glory to fly a trump 2020 flag last winter. Every six weeks or so it would come down for a few days and then go back up, presumably because the cheap nylon material couldn't take the harsh Florida sun so a new one had to be procured.

Then, over Memorial Day weekend, Old Glory went back up. Hubs, new neighbor from Seattle and I discussed whether or not it was holiday-related and only temporary. We expected the trump flag to reappear. It didn't.

Then they bought a fifth wheel and had to remove the flag pole entirely to make room for the RV in the driveway. It has since found a home at a local storage facility and we're waiting to see which flag goes up. It's been over a week and, so far, no flag.

If these drunken, hateful bigots* can become disillusioned with trump, anyone can.

(and, yes, I realize not flying his flag doesn't equate to not voting for him)

*Many, many months ago I was weeding my backyard, new neighbor was doing something in his backyard (we have a privacy fence separating us) and Hispanic neighbors behind us were building something in their backyard, naturally speaking Spanish. New guy actually had the nerve to shout at them "Illegal aliens!" I haven't spoken to him since. I waved once bc he waved first but I'm still pissed.

And, yes, they are drunks, loud, annoying drunks who like to have pool parties, late at night.
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Yahoo News: Trump in 'fragile' mood and may drop out of 2020 race if poll numbers don't improve, GOP insiders


Donald Trump may drop out of the 2020 presidential race if he believes he has no chance of winning, a Republican Party operative reportedly told Fox News.

The claim comes in a report in the president’s favourite news outlet that cites a number of GOP insiders who are concerned about Mr Trump’s re-election prospects amid abysmal polling numbers.

Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee, currently holds an average lead of nine points over the incumbent, according to a tracker of 2020 polls by RealClearPolitics.

Crucially, Mr Trump has lost support from older white voters — typically a bedrock of support for the Republican Party and a group that was crucial to his narrow 2016 victory. Mr Trump is also trailing the former vice president in almost all the swing states.

“It’s too early, but if the polls continue to worsen, you can see a scenario where he drops out,” one anonymous GOP operative told Fox News.
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Like all bullies, he's a chicken at heart. His dropping out would not surprise me. If the GOP is rattled by him now, just wait until he does that.

He does seem lately to be just phoning it in.
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Most likely his people planted that story to try and get a rise out of him and maybe get him to listen to their advice. The Schlapps and Chris Christie were going around this weekend saying he will lose if he keeps doing what he's been doing. But 49% strong disapproval, he needs experts to help him come back from that, and all the experts are organizing against him. He gets Brad, Jared and Jason Miller instead.

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trump listen to an expert? YGBSM.
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Trump won't drop out. His ego won't let him. He doesn't want that to be his legacy.

Trump is in it for the adoration and power. He's not going to give that up. As long as he is President, he can have his ego rallies and chat whenever he wants to other world leaders and snap his fingers and watch the Republicans jump.

When Trump loses the election, he'll just claim the election was rigged. And he'll use the last 2½ months of his term for his own benefit. He will issue innumerable pardons. Hopefully the House and Senate will both be getting Democratic majorities, but that just means that Trump + a Republican Senate will do as much damage as possible before their terms are up.
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:yeah:

Well said, MN-Skeptic! IF the OSG loses, his spawn will ratchet up Trump TV on November 4 'cause grifters gotta grift.

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Yeah, what MN-Skeptic said. He'll NEVER drop out. Stupid story.
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He could be THREATENING to drop out to get his own way about something or other. Same as he threatened not to go on stage in Tulsa..
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I'm with Skeptic on this. And at this point, him dropping out might actually hurt Congressional Republicans even more by causing his base (which is also now their base) to become discouraged and not bother showing up in November. It's the same reason I'm not particularly worried about the Lincoln Project guys going back to doing dark arts for the GOP in 2021. People keep thinking the Republican Party is going back to the status quo ante Trumpum. But the party has made its bed and turned its back on all of its previous ideological commitment except implicit white supremacy.
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He won't quit. There's too many terrible secrets still hidden. Can't risk a Biden administration investigating. If/when he does lose, I half expect the West Wing to suspiciously go up in flames.
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I’ve got another take on it. I think his ego is so fragile that if/when he realizes he might lose that he’ll drop out for ‘health reasons’. I honestly don’t think he could bear the thought of losing. More than anything else, his obsession with Obama won’t,
I believe, allow him to not equal that important second term and find himself ‘less than’. By dropping out he can convince himself that he’s not that horror of horrors, a loser, but merely had the bad luck to be unable to continue.

I also think his next move will be to start a Trump TV channel and show his detractors at Fox that he’s the winner after all.
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Sunrise wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:33 am
I’ve got another take on it. I think his ego is so fragile that if/when he realizes he might lose that he’ll drop out for ‘health reasons’. I honestly don’t think he could bear the thought of losing. More than anything else, his obsession with Obama won’t,
I believe, allow him to not equal that important second term and find himself ‘less than’. By dropping out he can convince himself that he’s not that horror of horrors, a loser, but merely had the bad luck to be unable to continue.

I also think his next move will be to start a Trump TV channel and show his detractors at Fox that he’s the winner after all.
I also think this is a possibility.
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Conversely, remember Trump is too much of a coward to resign directly. Remember Cohen said Trump worked by "signals." What I actually think is happening is that Trump is trying to make Pense and the cabinet 25th amendment him out, because then he can sit back and pretend to himself that he could TOTALLY have won if those assholes had not stabbed him in the back.

The problem is that he has so cowed the Cabinet and filled it with dumb loyalists that they wont do it. And he cant TELL them to do it because then that's the same as running away. Under normal circumstances he would probably have already quit and pretend he actually won, like he did in Atlantic City, but now he cant.
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The bone spurs worked once. Why not give them another try?

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Sunrise wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:33 am
I’ve got another take on it. I think his ego is so fragile that if/when he realizes he might lose that he’ll drop out for ‘health reasons’. I honestly don’t think he could bear the thought of losing. More than anything else, his obsession with Obama won’t,
I believe, allow him to not equal that important second term and find himself ‘less than’. By dropping out he can convince himself that he’s not that horror of horrors, a loser, but merely had the bad luck to be unable to continue.

I also think his next move will be to start a Trump TV channel and show his detractors at Fox that he’s the winner after all.
Yes, exactly what I was thinking. 'Health' issues, pardons everyone he can, has Pence pardon him, and then scurries off to a place where there's no extradition treaty with the United States.

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Yeah, it's feeling like 25A to me :like:
Suranis wrote:
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Conversely, remember Trump is too much of a coward to resign directly. Remember Cohen said Trump worked by "signals." What I actually think is happening is that Trump is trying to make Pense and the cabinet 25th amendment him out, because then he can sit back and pretend to himself that he could TOTALLY have won if those assholes had not stabbed him in the back.

The problem is that he has so cowed the Cabinet and filled it with dumb loyalists that they wont do it. And he cant TELL them to do it because then that's the same as running away. Under normal circumstances he would probably have already quit and pretend he actually won, like he did in Atlantic City, but now he cant.
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Suranis wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:50 pm
Conversely, remember Trump is too much of a coward to resign directly. Remember Cohen said Trump worked by "signals." What I actually think is happening is that Trump is trying to make Pense and the cabinet 25th amendment him out, because then he can sit back and pretend to himself that he could TOTALLY have won if those assholes had not stabbed him in the back.

The problem is that he has so cowed the Cabinet and filled it with dumb loyalists that they wont do it. And he cant TELL them to do it because then that's the same as running away. Under normal circumstances he would probably have already quit and pretend he actually won, like he did in Atlantic City, but now he cant.
The 25th Amendment is only temporary anyway, and requires 2/3rds of both the House and the Senate to prevent the President from resuming the office if he informs them in writing that he believes he is capable of carrying out his duties. It's actually a higher bar than impeachment, and basically the only way a President could be permanently removed from office by that means is if the President is in a persistent vegetative state or something like that.
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IMPOTUS is in a total bubble, he may have no idea. Sycophants everywhere. Watching OAN and Fox News. Reading Gateway Pundit. There are still congresspeople and local GOP leaders who think he's going to win in a landslide. If that's all he's seeing, must be like Disney World, everybody agrees and two scoops.
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Some of the GOP incubents are losing their primaries to Q nuts.

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Turtle wrote:
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Some of the GOP incubents are losing their primaries to Q nuts.
Yup. That seat in Western CO instantly went from Likely R to Lean R last night. And Trump is congratulating the winner (a QAnon nutter), hoping no one remembers he endorsed the loser - who also happened to be Trump's Colorado co-chair.
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Turtle wrote:
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Some of the GOP incubents are losing their primaries to Q nuts.
Well, that isn't exactly less terrifying . . .

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WaPo - Daniel W. Drezner: It’s starting to fall apart

Trump is not even leading the GOP at this point


By conventional standards, President Trump is not a very good politician. His legislative accomplishments as president have been meager and his international bargaining has been poor. But political scientists would acknowledge one area in which Trump has been adroit: He has colonized the Republican Party in every important way imaginable. ...

Trump’s iron control over his party has enabled him to be a somewhat stronger president than devotees of Richard E. Neustadt would otherwise expect. Trump has been eager to expand executive branch powers and ignore Congress. He has declared dubious emergencies and run roughshod over laws such as the Administrative Procedure Act, counting on his appointed judges and Republican members of Congress to run interference for him. Sometimes this does not work; much of the time, however, it does.

The key is the GOP’s continuing fealty to Trump. But the poll numbers are the poll numbers, and they are bad for the 45th president. They show rising disapproval of the president, growing GOP dissatisfaction with the direction of the country and Trump falling further behind Joe Biden. It is therefore unsurprising that some cracks are forming in the edifice.

GOP strategists are grumbling to the Washington Examiner’s W. James Antle III about Trump’s repeated Twitter own-goals, for example. One GOP strategist told Antle, “[Trump’s] instincts and mistakes on Twitter have often brought him off message and made him often look unfocused and small, like a very average politician on Twitter instead of the president of the United States.”

But that is small potatoes compared with some other areas where senior members of the GOP are starting to push back on president Trump. There is the wearing of masks, for example. In a Wall Street Journal interview earlier in June, Trump suggested that some Americans were not wearing masks for any health reason but rather to register disapproval of him.

If that is true, then an awful lot of Republicans disapprove of Trump. According to the Wall Street Journal’s Catherine Lucey, “A growing chorus of Republican officeholders and conservative media figures are calling for people to wear masks to prevent the spread of coronavirus ... with some urging President Trump to publicly wear one as cases soar around the country.” ...

There is a snowball effect to some of this. The more that Republicans dissent from Trump, the weaker he looks politically. The weaker he looks politically, the more Republicans might dissent from him to get ahead of bad news.
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UPDATE: Here's the now 9 QAnon-supporting congressional candidates who have now made it to November by state:

-CO: Lauren Boebert
-CA: Mike Cargile, Erin Cruz, Alison Hayden, Buzz Patterson
-OR: Jo Rae Perkins
-GA: Angela Stanton-King
-OH: Ron Weber
-TX: Johnny Teague

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And we thought the Tea Party were next to impossible to deal with. I guess the good news is there are "only" 9 of them, and they may not all win. 2010 was a nightmare and a disaster for this country, only to be eclipsed by the nightmare of 2016.

The good news is that some of the people who were backed by Trump lost their primaries. That doesn't bode well for him.
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