School related violence

[sugar magnolia]

So how long before a teacher is killed by a student who snatches their gun?

Or the ever-popular "accidentally left the weapon in the restroom" excuse.

[RTH10260]

Yeah - no needs to expose ones intent to a curious gunshop owner when all hardware is in reach, not locked up, how would that work when a gunman would knock at the door.

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

Rabid gun owners must live in a fantasy world where guns solve everything, like in action movies.

[RTH10260]

Visions of a long lost times, "take America back", to "1776", now that's even prior to the colonialization of the "wild west"

[neeneko]

Rabid gun owners must live in a fantasy world where guns solve everything, like in action movies.

Well, the only problem they are really interested in solving is existential dread, so in a way, yeah.

[Volkonski]

[Slim Cognito]

As I am from Kansas City, I’d like to point out that of the eight districts closed, seven are red suburbs. Independence is the only blue suburb iirc.

[Ben-Prime]

Rabid gun owners must live in a fantasy world where guns solve everything, like in action movies.

Or a Simpsons episode.

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

[Volkonski]

[AndyinPA]

I heard nothing is getting released before the election in November. And then, the families don't want to hear about that because of the holiday season, so not before January at the earliest. If I had to guess, the families want to know now.

[Volkonski]

[Azastan]

If Abbott was serious about it being a 'mental health' issue, those beds would have been supplied a couple of weeks ago--without needing to be asked.

[raison de arizona]

They're concerned about being embarrassed.

Uvalde Hires Private Law Firm to Argue It Doesn’t Have to Release School Shooting Public Records
Some of the records relating to the Robb Elementary School shooting could be “highly embarrassing,” involve “emotional/mental distress,” and are “not of legitimate concern to the public,” the lawyers argued.

The City of Uvalde and its police department are working with a private law firm to prevent the release of nearly any record related to the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in which 19 children and two teachers died, according to a letter obtained by Motherboard in response to a series of public information requests we made. The public records Uvalde is trying to suppress include body camera footage, photos, 911 calls, emails, text messages, criminal records, and more.

“The City has not voluntarily released any information to a member of the public,” the city’s lawyer, Cynthia Trevino, who works for the private law firm Denton Navarro Rocha Bernal & Zech, wrote in a letter to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. The city wrote the letter asking Paxton for a determination about what information it is required to release to the public, which is standard practice in Texas. Paxton's office will eventually rule which of the city's arguments have merit and will determine which, if any, public records it is required to release.

The letter makes clear, however, that the city and its police department want to be exempted from releasing a wide variety of records in part because it is being sued, in part because some of the records could include “highly embarrassing information,” in part because some of the information is “not of legitimate concern to the public,” in part because the information could reveal “methods, techniques, and strategies for preventing and predicting crime,” in part because some of the information may cause or may "regard … emotional/mental distress," and in part because its response to the shooting is being investigated by the Texas Rangers, the FBI, and the Uvalde County District Attorney. [reminder, the DA has stated she is not investigating anything]

The letter explains that Uvalde has at least one in-house attorney (whose communications it is trying to prevent from public release), and yet, it is using outside private counsel to deal with a matter of extreme importance and public interest. Uvalde’s city government and its police department did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Motherboard.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88q95p/ ... ic-records

[pipistrelle]

Because they predicted and prevented that one.

[Volkonski]

[pipistrelle]

The circumstances are different but what I keep thinking of is how the retired officer Tops security guard in Buffalo risked and lost his life.

[Jim]

The circumstances are different but what I keep thinking of is how the retired officer Tops security guard in Buffalo risked and lost his life.

That could be why nobody at the school would breech.

"You go first"
"I'm not getting blown away by some crazy armed to the teeth!"

[raison de arizona]

BREAKING: Multiple officers were inside Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield at 11:52 a.m. the day of the shooting, new video and other evidence shows. They didn’t enter the classroom for another 58 minutes. More soon via @statesman and @KVUE. 1/2

Investigators believe this is significant because it indicates they had more than enough firepower and protection to enter the classroom before they did. Officers were growing impatient far sooner: “If there’s kids in there we need to go in there,” one said on body camera video.

[sugar magnolia]

I still haven't seen any explanation why they didn't approach from the windows, or why, when they had 2 doors to enter the classrooms by, they couldn't have breached at least one of them. He couldn't cover both doors and a wall of windows simultaneously.

[Patagoniagirl]

I still haven't seen any explanation why they didn't approach from the windows, or why, when they had 2 doors to enter the classrooms by, they couldn't have breached at least one of them. He couldn't cover both doors and a wall of windows simultaneously.

I believe there were only about 18 armed officers. Mybe tthat's why.

[sugar magnolia]

I still haven't seen any explanation why they didn't approach from the windows, or why, when they had 2 doors to enter the classrooms by, they couldn't have breached at least one of them. He couldn't cover both doors and a wall of windows simultaneously.

I believe there were only about 18 armed officers. Mybe tthat's why.

Good point. Maybe they were worried the kids would fight back or something.

[pipistrelle]

I still haven't seen any explanation why they didn't approach from the windows, or why, when they had 2 doors to enter the classrooms by, they couldn't have breached at least one of them. He couldn't cover both doors and a wall of windows simultaneously.

There isn't one.

[raison de arizona]

Texas agencies resist releasing public records that could help clarify response to Uvalde school shooting
The Texas Tribune and ProPublica have submitted about 70 requests to state and local agencies for emergency response documentation surrounding the mass shooting at Robb Elementary. Most likely won’t be released publicly for months, if ever.

In the past week, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has joined the growing list of state and local officials fighting the release of records that could help bring clarity to how the emergency response unfolded during last month’s deadly shooting in Uvalde.

ProPublica and The Texas Tribune have submitted about 70 public information requests that could help answer larger questions as state and local leaders continue to offer conflicting accounts about why law enforcement did not confront the gunman sooner during the May 24 massacre. Those requests include 911 audio recordings, body and police car camera footage, and communications among local, state and federal agencies. The newsrooms also requested use-of-force documents, death records and ballistic reports.

Three weeks after the shooting, government officials have not provided the news organizations a single record related to the emergency response.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/15 ... -shooting/

[Volkonski]