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W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:46 pm Keep in mind that one of the events that led to tensions between Russia and Ukraine was the formation of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_ ... of_Ukraine
The church was united at the unification council in Kyiv on 15 December 2018 as a condition for recognition of it by the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and was granted the tomos of autocephaly (decree of ecclesial independence) by the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople in Istanbul on 5 January 2019. The unification council voted to unite all the existing Ukrainian Orthodox major jurisdictions: the Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kyiv Patriarchate (UOC-KP) and the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (UAOC) as well as a part of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (a branch of the Moscow-based Russian Orthodox Church, which claims jurisdiction over Ukraine). The Unification Council elected Epiphanius Dumenko – previously the Metropolitan of Pereiaslav-Khmelnytskyi and Bila Tserkva (UOC-KP) – as its primate, the Metropolitan of Kyiv and all Ukraine.

According to the statute that the OCU adopted at the unification council, "Orthodox Christians of Ukrainian provenance in the Orthodox diaspora" should henceforth be subject to the jurisdiction of the diocesan bishops of the Ecumenical Patriarchate (Article 4 of the Statute).[15][16] This provision is also enshrined in the OCU's tomos of autocephaly.[17][18][19] In March 2019 Metropolitan Epiphanius said that the transfer of parishes of the dissolved Kyiv Patriarchate to the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarchate had already begun.[20] The creation and subsequent recognition of the OCU by other autocephalous Orthodox Churches have met staunch opposition and attempts at subversion on the part of the Russian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) as well as the government of Russia.[21]
Again, where is the warmongering?

Did evangelical Christians support the Iraq and Afghan wars. Absolutely. This doesn't mean that denominations were facilitating and encouraging war behind closed doors with politicians.

This simply means that ... Omg, religious tensions are part of war.

It's beyond absurd to assert that Catholics want this war. Why? It strengthens the divide between the two Churches.


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raison de arizona wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:11 pm Official statement.
Patriarch Kirill's address to the hierarchs, clergy, monastics, and faithful of the Russian Orthodox Church
Patriarch Kirill's address to the hierarchs, clergy, monastics, and faithful of the Russian Orthodox ChurchVersion for print
24 February 2022 year 18:00
On February 24, 2022, His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia issued an address to the hierarchs, clergy, monastics, and all faithful of the Russian Orthodox Church. The statement reads as follows:

Your Beatitude! Your Eminences and Graces! Dear fathers, brothers, and sisters!

I take the suffering of people caused by the events taking place with deep and heartfelt pain.

As the Patriarch of All Russia and the primate of a Church whose flock is located in Russia, Ukraine, and other countries, I deeply empathize with everyone affected by this tragedy.

I call on all parties to the conflict to do everything possible to avoid civilian casualties.

I appeal to the bishops, pastors, monastics, and laity to provide all possible assistance to all victims, including refugees and people left homeless and without means of livelihood.

The Russian and Ukrainian peoples have a common centuries-old history dating back to the Baptism of Rus’ by Prince St. Vladimir the Equal-to-the-Apostles. I believe that this God-given affinity will help overcome the divisions and disagreements that have arisen that have led to the current conflict.

I call on the entire fullness of the Russian Orthodox Church to offer a special, fervent prayer for the speedy restoration of peace.

May the All-merciful Lord, through the intercession of our Most Pure Lady the Theotokos and all the saints, preserve the Russian, Ukrainian, and other peoples who are spiritually united by our Church!

+KIRILL

PATRIARCH OF MOSCOW AND ALL RUSSIA
http://www.patriarchia.ru/en/db/text/5903803.html
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LM K wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:12 pm It's beyond absurd to assert that Catholics want this war. Why? It strengthens the divide between the two Churches.
Well, it's a good thing nobody actually made that assertion, isn't it?


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LM K wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:04 pm That's just offensive.
To who exactly?

My family is a mix of Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox. Russia has always had a tight and old fashioned mixing between political and religious power, it is one of the reasons white nationalists like the place so much. This is a pretty old concern and has really been ramping up over the years.


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W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:57 pm
LM K wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:12 pm Uh, yeah. That completely supports your ridiculous claim that the Church wants, and facilitates, the war on Ukraine.
LM K wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:12 pm It's beyond absurd to assert that Catholics want this war. Why? It strengthens the divide between the two Churches.
Well, it's a good thing nobody actually made that assertion, isn't it?
Wait, I am confused. What which is being asserted here?

My claim is that the Russian Orthodox Church is in support of the conflict. Both the Roman Catholic and Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople have been pretty clear against the invasion and the independence of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

I completely agree that I have seen nothing to suggest any of the Catholic denominations are in favor of or otherwise supporting the invasion.


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Saint Vladimir: Is there a religious angle to the invasion of Ukraine?
One of the theories doing round with Russia's invasion of Ukraine is that Putin wants to revive the grandeur of the Great Russian Empire or the Soviet Union the least. Another theory taking roots is Putin's quest to re-establish the Russian Orthodox Church.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin has shocked the world with his anticipated yet daredevil decision to invade a sovereign nation with a powerful military alliance acting as its ally. And it's routine to have theories abound when such shocks are unleashed on intelligentsia. One of the theories doing round with Russia's invasion of Ukraine is that Putin wants to revive the grandeur of the Great Russian Empire or the Soviet Union the least. Another theory taking roots is Putin's quest to re-establish the Russian Orthodox Church.

Experts including Christian priests are writing columns unearthing the 'root cause' and 'real' motivation of Putin's attempt to capture Ukraine, a country with about 4.5 crore people, by the force of tanks, fighter planes and missiles. These experts find a link between Vladimir Putin and his namesake Vladimir I.
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Bunch of history and supposition here: https://www.indiatoday.in/news-analysis ... 2022-02-25


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I've opened a thread on the Russian Orthodox Church and its role in the invashion (if any) Here https://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1302. Its a bit off topic for this thread.


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‘I Feel Shame’: Pope Apologizes to Indigenous People of Canada
Pope Francis also promised to visit Canada as part of a process of healing and reconciliation over the church’s involvement in an abusive system of residential schools.

By Elisabetta Povoledo and Ian Austen
April 1, 2022
Updated 12:31 p.m. ET

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis apologized on Friday for the Roman Catholic Church’s involvement in a system of Canadian boarding schools that abused Indigenous children for 100 years, and said he would travel to Canada as part of a process of healing and reconciliation.

His apology comes after Canada was jolted last year by the discovery of signs of the remains of hundreds of people in unmarked graves, most of them children, on the grounds of the former schools.

“I feel shame — sorrow and shame — for the role” that Catholics played “in the abuses you suffered and in the lack of respect shown for your identity, your culture and even your spiritual values,” Francis said.

Francis spoke during an audience at the Apostolic Palace with 62 delegates from Canada’s three largest Indigenous groups, who had traveled to the Vatican in the hope that he would apologize to survivors in Canada. This was the first apology to the Indigenous people of Canada from a pope and was a reversal of Francis’s earlier position.



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/worl ... anada.html


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https://www.globalsistersreport.org/new ... rozen-time

Pope warns UISG against congregational renewal that is 'frozen in time'
May 5, 2022
by Chris Herlinger, Gail DeGeorge

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Pope Francis greets Claretian Missionary Sr. Jolanta Kafka, president of the International Union of Superiors General, during a May 5 audience with participants in the plenary assembly of the union at the Vatican. (CNS/Vatican Media)

Rome — Pope Francis told more than 520 leaders of women religious congregations that the process of synodality is a way to affirm the original intentions of the founders of religious congregations while meeting the needs of a rapidly changing world.

In an informal hour long discussion May 5 in which Francis welcomed questions from leaders attending the plenary of the International Union of Superiors General, the pope warned against congregational renewal that is "frozen in time," that looks to the past and does not look forward.

"The church does not want frozen nuns. That's useless," he said to applause. "The challenge is that consecrated life has to be integrated into a church — not a frozen church, but a real church."

At several points, the pope compared religious congregations to trees, saying they must grow while always requiring sturdy roots, and urged the sisters to continually look at what inspired and stirred their original founders.

"What was their original inspiration?" Francis said in a theme he repeated several times. "What was the essential part?"

At the same time, Francis compared religious congregations to families and said, "You can't modernize anything without the family spirit."

Francis, meeting the women religious at the Paul VI Audience Hall at the Vatican, spoke while seated and entered the hall in a wheelchair, a sign of the pope's ongoing problems with a torn ligament in his right knee. It was the first time the pope has used a wheelchair publicly at the Vatican, Catholic News Service reported.

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Pope Francis is pushed in a wheelchair by his aide, Sandro Mariotti, as he greets participants May 5 in the plenary assembly of the women's International Union of Superiors General at the Vatican. (CNS/Vatican Media)

But the pope seemed otherwise in good health. He opted to forgo reading from nine pages of prepared remarks and instead took questions from the religious leaders on a host of topics, including the war in Ukraine.


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I don't put much faith in her, but :shrug:


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Who is she working for now? I guess I could look it up. :shrug:


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raison de arizona wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:07 pm I don't put much faith in her, but :shrug:
Answered in the replies.


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The Holy Father has more important things on his mind than Megan Kelly.

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Pope Francis: The pontiff's 'pilgrimage of penance' to Canada

By Nadine Yousif
BBC News, Toronto

The Pope is making a historic visit to offer a formal apology on Canadian soil for the harms done by Catholic-run residential schools across the country.

Pope Francis, 85, has called the visit a "pilgrimage of penance", and has said he hopes it will help heal the wrongs done to indigenous people in Canada by the Roman Catholic Church.

His itinerary includes stops in the provinces of Alberta and Quebec and the northern territory of Nunavut.

Absent from the Pope's visit, however, is a stop in British Columbia, where the discovery last summer of evidence of some 200 unmarked graves on the grounds of a former residential school led to nationwide calls for reconciliation.

The Pope will be in Canada until Friday.

Why is the Pope visiting?

Canada has grappled with the path to reconciliation - repairing the relationship between indigenous people, non-indigenous people and the government - in recent years.

In 2015, abuses suffered by residential school survivors were highlighted in a landmark report by Canada's Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC).

The government-funded schools were part of a policy meant to assimilate indigenous children and destroy indigenous cultures and languages.

Some 150,000 First Nations, Métis and Inuit children were taken from their families during this period and placed in these schools.

The Roman Catholic Church operated up to 70% of residential schools. There were more than 130 such schools scattered across the country, the last closing in 1996.

The TRC report highlighted the stories of school survivors. Many were subjected to abuse, illness and malnutrition and the TRC called the residential schools system a central element of a policy of "cultural genocide".

One of the report's "Calls to action" was a request for the Pope to apologise for the Catholic Church's role in running the schools.




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The Roman Catholic Church operated up to 70% of residential schools
The report said 60%. Which is "up to 70%" I suppose. :roll:


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