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@RealGenFlynn, [31.05.21 13:23]
Let me be VERY CLEAR – There is NO reason whatsoever for any coup in America, and I do not and have not at any time called for any action of that sort.
Any reporting of any other belief by me is a boldface fabrication based on twisted reporting at a lively panel at a conference of Patriotic Americans who love this country, just as I do.
I am no stranger to media manipulating my words and therefore let me repeat my response to a question asked at the conference: There is no reason it (a coup) should happen here (in America).

orlylicious wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:19 pm


As a former military member, can he still be court-martialled for this? He should lose his pension for all this seditionist activity, he's gone too far.

In light of this @RonanFarrow story about Larry Rendall Brock, Jr., an Air Force veteran, here's a quick #thread about the complicated, confusing, and evolving state of the law regarding when the military can (and cannot) court-martial retired servicemembers

orlylicious wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:15 pm Thanks, Chancery, definitely will read up on that, Steve did a lot of great election legal coverage.

Suspended who, Slim? Steve and Ronan are still there.

Baidn wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:51 pm

orlylicious wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:19 pm


As a former military member, can he still be court-martialled for this? He should lose his pension for all this seditionist activity, he's gone too far.

Yes he can be called back to duty for the sole purpose of standing trial.

That’s right.

It's rare but has happened before

Also right

usually with cases involving a former military member who's statute of limitations expired (UCMJ has no such restrictions).

That’s wrong. Most crimes under the UCMJ have a five year statute of limitations.

However I don't see Biden being likely to approve anything like that since (1) he seems IMHO far too intent on appeasing the right in hopes that they will come to their senses and just forget the other guy ever existed if his administration doesn't hold him accountable and

Personally, I think Biden would be completely hands-off -he’d let DOD make that call.

(2) It'd be really hard to make anything really stick with this situation, he'd probably just cry persecution back pedal hard and then grift another "buy my book to own the libs!" deal.

Flynn would be entitled to have officers senior to him decide his fate. I’m not entirely convinced a panel of senior general officers would give him a pass.

Flynn would be entitled to have officers senior to him decide his fate. I’m not entirely convinced a panel of senior general officers would give him a pass.

Newsmax wrote: Michael Flynn Suggests Myanmar-Like Coup in US

Former national security adviser Michael Flynn over the weekend appeared to suggest that a military coup similar to the one that deposed Myanmar’s government “should happen” in the United States, CNN reports.

While speaking at an event in Dallas on Sunday that included many well-known supporters of the QAnon conspiracy theory, Flynn was asked by an audience member during a question and answer session “why what happened in Myanmar can’t happen here?”

Flynn responded, “No reason. I mean, it should happen here.”

He also claimed that former President Donald Trump “won” the 2020 presidential election.

Trump “won the popular vote, and he won the Electoral College vote,” Flynn said.

Myanmar’s military overthrew the country’s democratically-elected leaders on February 1, imprisoning them and claiming voter fraud. Since this occurred, at least 800 citizens have died and thousands arrested during protests.

Some Trump supporters who believe the former president's claims about election fraud have cited Myanmar as an example for how the U.S. military should have behaved. Media Matters reports that users on far-right message boards have praised the coup and asked when a similar event will happen in America.

Flynn previously signaled his support for the QAnon conspiracy theory last summer when he posted a video to Twitter that contained several QAnon slogans. His account was subsequently banned when Twitter removed many accounts that had promoted the conspiracy theory.

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“The accounts have been suspended in line with our policy on Coordinated Harmful Activity," a spokesperson for Twitter told NBC News in January.

"We’ve been clear that we will take strong enforcement action on behavior that has the potential to lead to offline harm, and given the renewed potential for violence surrounding this type of behavior in the coming days, we will permanently suspend accounts that are solely dedicated to sharing QAnon content."

More recently, Flynn appeared to distance himself from the QAnon movement, saying in an interview that "what I tell people to do is look at the people that are involved. Look at the values that they espouse and let's move along."

orlylicious wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:17 pm Ok, that's why I was confused. Twitter suspended Mike Flynn back in January when Squidney was suspended, not today.

The room was starting to fill up. Trump's personal assistant summoned White House staff secretary Derek Lyons to join the meeting and asked him to bring a copy of a 2018 executive order that the Powell group kept citing as the key to victory. Lyons agreed with Cipollone and the other officials that Powell's theories were nonsensical.

It was now four against four.

Flynn went berserk. The former three-star general, whom Trump had fired as his first national security adviser after he was caught lying to the FBI (and later pardoned), stood up and turned from the Resolute Desk to face Herschmann.

"You're quitting! You're a quitter! You're not fighting!” he exploded at the senior adviser. Flynn then turned to the president, and implored: "Sir, we need fighters."

Herschmann ignored Flynn at first and continued to probe Powell's pitch with questions about the underlying evidence. "All you do is promise, but never deliver," he said to her sharply.

Flynn was ranting, seemingly infuriated about anyone challenging Powell, who had represented him in his recent legal battles.

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Finally Herschmann had enough. "Why the fuck do you keep standing up and screaming at me?" he shot back at Flynn. "If you want to come over here, come over here. If not, sit your ass down." Flynn sat back down.

The meeting had come entirely off the rails.

Byrne, backing up Flynn, told Trump the White House lawyers didn't care about him and were being obstructive. "Sir, we're both entrepreneurs, and we both built businesses," the former Overstock CEO told Trump. "We know that there are times you have to be creative and take different steps."
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The words "martial law" were never spoken during the meeting, despite Flynn having raised the idea in an appearance the previous day on Newsmax, a right-wing hive for election conspiracies.

But this was a distinction without much of a difference. What Flynn and Powell were proposing amounted to suspending normal laws and mobilizing the U.S. government to seize Dominion voting machines around the country.

Powell was arguing that they couldn't get a judge to enforce any subpoena to hand over the voting machines because all the judges were corrupt. She and her group repeatedly referred to the National Emergencies Act and a Trump executive order from 2018 that was designed to clear the way for the government to sanction foreign actors interfering in U.S. elections.

These laws were, in the view of Powell, Flynn and the others, the key to unlocking extraordinary powers for Trump to stay in office beyond Jan. 20.

Their theory was that because foreign enemies had stolen the election, all bets were off and Trump could use the full force of the United States government to go after Dominion.

It was remarkable that the presidency had deteriorated to such an extent that this fight in the Oval Office between senior White House officials and radical conspiracists was even taking place.

"How exactly are you going to do this?" an exasperated Herschmann asked again, later in the conversation. Newman again cited the 2018 executive order, which prompted Herschmann to question out loud whether she was even a lawyer.

With these seditious remarks Comrade Flynn may have crossed the line for recall to active duty and court-martial. As a JAG I’m qualified and also happy to prosecute this case. https://businessinsider.com/michael-fly ... mar-2021-5 P.S. US mil would NEVER support this. We love America.

President Donald Trump’s spy chief won’t meet Friday’s deadline to submit a classified report to Congress on foreign efforts to sway the Nov. 3 election, officials said, because of arguments within the intelligence community over whether China should be cited more prominently for its attempts to influence American voters.

A statement from Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe’s office on Wednesday night said the deadline won’t be met because career officers in the intelligence community say they’ve “received relevant reporting since the election and a number of agencies have not finished coordinating on the product.”

On Tuesday, Ratcliffe was weighing refusing to sign off on the report unless it more fully reflected the national security threat posed by China’s efforts according to people familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity owing to the sensitivity of the information.

The report was to go to Capitol Hill as Trump continues to reject the outcome of the presidential election won by Democrat Joe Biden.

The FBI wants a word with Leigh Dundas, Scientologist attorney and Capitol rioter
By Tony Ortega | February 17, 2021

We first noticed Leigh Dundas, a Scientology OT and “human rights attorney” last year as she made a name for herself as a firebrand anti-vaxx and anti-mask activist who had driven away an Orange County health official with her brand of political extremism. More recently, we’ve been posting information as it has come in about her remarkable couple of days at the US Capitol on January 5 and 6 as she took part in the speechifying and marching that ended up being a deadly insurrection.

On January 5 she urged on a crowd with this rhetoric: “We would be well within our rights to take any alleged American who acted in a turncoat fashion and sold us out and committed treason, we would be well within our rights and take them out back and shoot ’em or hang ’em…” And on the day of the riot itself, she filmed herself pushing toward the Capitol and screaming “Traitor!” at Capitol police. Video also emerged showing her near the doors of the Capitol itself. Later that afternoon she gave another fiery broadside exhorting her listeners to “fight on! Fight for your country!” while protesters were breaking windows and pushing into the building behind her.

Each time we’ve posted these updates about Leigh, we have said that we don’t know whether any of this adds up to a punishable offense, and we have not accused Leigh of committing a crime. However, we have now learned that the FBI would like to talk to Leigh Dundas.

orlylicious wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:31 am

The FBI wants a word with Leigh Dundas, Scientologist attorney and Capitol rioter
By Tony Ortega | February 17, 2021

We first noticed Leigh Dundas, a Scientology OT and “human rights attorney” last year as she made a name for herself as a firebrand anti-vaxx and anti-mask activist who had driven away an Orange County health official with her brand of political extremism. More recently, we’ve been posting information as it has come in about her remarkable couple of days at the US Capitol on January 5 and 6 as she took part in the speechifying and marching that ended up being a deadly insurrection.

On January 5 she urged on a crowd with this rhetoric: “We would be well within our rights to take any alleged American who acted in a turncoat fashion and sold us out and committed treason, we would be well within our rights and take them out back and shoot ’em or hang ’em…” And on the day of the riot itself, she filmed herself pushing toward the Capitol and screaming “Traitor!” at Capitol police. Video also emerged showing her near the doors of the Capitol itself. Later that afternoon she gave another fiery broadside exhorting her listeners to “fight on! Fight for your country!” while protesters were breaking windows and pushing into the building behind her.

Each time we’ve posted these updates about Leigh, we have said that we don’t know whether any of this adds up to a punishable offense, and we have not accused Leigh of committing a crime. However, we have now learned that the FBI would like to talk to Leigh Dundas.

More (interesting site): https://tonyortega.org/2021/02/17/fbi-w ... ol-rioter/

Kendra wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:57 pm

With these seditious remarks Comrade Flynn may have crossed the line for recall to active duty and court-martial. As a JAG I’m qualified and also happy to prosecute this case. https://businessinsider.com/michael-fly ... mar-2021-5 P.S. US mil would NEVER support this. We love America.

US Army will not investigate Flynn's comments about a coup after he appeared to endorse one
By Barbara Starr, Ellie Kaufman, Michael Conte and Devan Cole, CNN
Updated 3:26 PM ET, Wed June 2, 2021

Washington (CNN)The US Army said Wednesday that it will not investigate former Gen. Michael Flynn for statements he recently made in which he appeared to endorse a Myanmar-style coup occurring in the US. "We are aware of the statements LTG (R) Flynn made May 30 and June 1. The Army is not investigating these statements further at this time," an Army spokesperson said in a statement.

Given the fact that Flynn is retired, the Army's decision is in line with the US military's typical approach to similar situations, when potential misconduct carried out by retired members who are out of uniform does not prompt an investigation by the armed services.

Flynn is facing bipartisan criticism after appearing to endorse a Myanmar-style coup in the US during an event in Dallas on Sunday in which an audience member raised the idea. "I want to know why what happened in Minamar (sic) can't happen here?" the audience member, who identified himself as a Marine, asked Flynn."No reason, I mean, it should happen here. No reason. That's right," Flynn responded.

"Let me be VERY CLEAR - There is NO reason whatsoever for any coup in America, and I do not and have not at any time called for any action of that sort," the message said. Some QAnon followers are obsessed with the idea that the US military will somehow put former President Donald Trump back into office. Some believed and hoped Trump would declare martial law on Inauguration Day to stop Joe Biden from entering the White House.

Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby told reporters on Tuesday that "the department is not going to have an official comment one way on this."

!! ALERT:

Court has scheduled 9am *detention hearing* for tomorrow f or this Jan 6 case. Ryan Samsel

I will be covering this one closely.