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Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:37 pm No ask, no get.
Yup; can't ride the ride if you don't get a ticket.

With the bonus of creating chaos. And owning the new cycle with a serious-sounding claim that executive privilege applies to whomever the president consults, regardless of whether employed by the White House (or another part of the government).
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raison de arizona wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:05 am I don’t get how Bannon can even try to claim executive privilege for the events of 1/6/2021 when he wasn’t even in the employ of the executive branch since 2017. Is the argument that they were planning 1/6/2021 as far back as 2017? I don’t get it.
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I got a novel idea. Concede Executive Privilege, for any conversation that occurred before he got fired. Takes the issue off the table, screws it as a delay tactic and then see if any lawyer is willing risk sanctions for even suggesting explicitly that conversations 3 years after he left government employ are privileged.
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Trump's Latest Jan. 6 Riot Meltdown Gets Brutal Fact-Check, Courtesy Of Adam Schiff
Trump also delivered a curious gripe given his own position on the events of Jan. 6, writing:

What happened to the Capitol would have never happened if the people in charge did their job and looked at the intelligence. They abandoned the officers on the ground, just like Biden abandoned Americans in Afghanistan. Instead of holding bad leaders accountable, the Democrats are going after innocent staffers and attacking the Constitution.
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Thanks for the shout-out, Mr. Former President.

As for your statement that the attack on the Capitol would never have happened if “the people in charge had done their job”

You do realize that you were in charge on January 6th? Right?

Just checking.

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Jim wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:15 pm Trump's Latest Jan. 6 Riot Meltdown Gets Brutal Fact-Check, Courtesy Of Adam Schiff
Trump also delivered a curious gripe given his own position on the events of Jan. 6, writing:

What happened to the Capitol would have never happened if the people in charge did their job and looked at the intelligence. They abandoned the officers on the ground, just like Biden abandoned Americans in Afghanistan. Instead of holding bad leaders accountable, the Democrats are going after innocent staffers and attacking the Constitution.
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Thanks for the shout-out, Mr. Former President.

As for your statement that the attack on the Capitol would never have happened if “the people in charge had done their job”

You do realize that you were in charge on January 6th? Right?

Just checking.

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:thumbsup:

He's about to come out with a new book. Rachel did her first segment on Schiff's background. It turns out to be a perfect one for understanding and seeing the former guy for what he was.
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I will have to watch the Maddow segment. Meanwhile,


"We have a new attorney general, a new Justice Department, dedicated to the principle that no one is above the law. So [Steve] Bannon is in a completely different situation now ... he's exposed,"
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He skated out of his fraud charges so perhaps he has a super secret pardon that says he can ignore any subpoena issued by Congress.
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Gregg wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:49 am I got a novel idea. Concede Executive Privilege, for any conversation that occurred before he got fired. Takes the issue off the table, screws it as a delay tactic and then see if any lawyer is willing risk sanctions for even suggesting explicitly that conversations 3 years after he left government employ are privileged.
That is an interesting idea. I don't think that Biden is willing to grant even that much.

In theory, though, Executive Privilege attaches to the presidency, not to Bannon. The point of EP is that the president must be able to have frank, open and honest discussions with his advisors, whether they are government employees or not. So, if a president calls the CEO of a large corporation to discuss how an action being contemplated will affect that and other businesses, that call could, in theory at least, be subject to EP.
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Um that is NOT any Executive Privilege that has ever been recognized. But hey, what do I know?
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noblepa wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:33 pm
Gregg wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:49 am I got a novel idea. Concede Executive Privilege, for any conversation that occurred before he got fired. Takes the issue off the table, screws it as a delay tactic and then see if any lawyer is willing risk sanctions for even suggesting explicitly that conversations 3 years after he left government employ are privileged.
That is an interesting idea. I don't think that Biden is willing to grant even that much.

In theory, though, Executive Privilege attaches to the presidency, not to Bannon. The point of EP is that the president must be able to have frank, open and honest discussions with his advisors, whether they are government employees or not. So, if a president calls the CEO of a large corporation to discuss how an action being contemplated will affect that and other businesses, that call could, in theory at least, be subject to EP.
That exactly wrong. Executive Privilege only applies to the President and discussions with members of the Executive Branch. As filly says, Executive Privilege is not in the Constitution and I don't think its even codified into a law, its just one of those "traditions, understandings and practices" that Trump pissed on when it suited him. It arises from a Separation of Powers issue I think, in essence, Congress can't snoop around in the decision making process of the Executive without permission. But just as Attorney Client Privilege goes out the window when someone not your attorney is in the room, Executive Privilege has only in the past encompassed discussions in the Executive Branch among senior officials with the President.
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Evidence of guilt.

“In earlier versions” of Trump’s January 6 videotaped recording, “he neglected to tell his supporters to leave the Capitol.”

via
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We may yet see those recordings.

Select Committee asked National Archives for them.
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WaPo: The Jan. 6 select committee may issue a subpoena as early as Wednesday to Jeffrey Clark, a Trump DOJ official who sought to deploy department resources to support Trump's election lies.
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Breaking: The Jan. 6 select committee has issued a subpoena to Jeffrey Clark, the ex-DOJ official reportedly involved in efforts to overturn the 2020 election. The subpoena seeks deposition testimony and records from Clark. https://bit.ly/2YPI1ot
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NEW: House Jan 6 Select Committee will meet Tuesday to vote to find Steve Bannon in contempt for defying subpoena

"Committee will not tolerate defiance of our subpoenas so we must move forward with proceedings to refer Mr Bannon for criminal contempt"
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/politics ... index.html
Washington (CNN)A number of high-powered lawyers who have represented Donald Trump in the past are sitting out his latest legal battle, as the former President prepares to assert executive privilege to block congressional investigators from getting information on the January 6 insurrection.

That's left Trump with a relatively small legal team without a lot of experience litigating issues of executive privilege as he readies for a court fight that could test major issues of presidential authority.
Some go-to attorneys have been spooked by Trump's reputation for sometimes not paying as a client, according to several people familiar with conservative legal circles. Others watched closely as lawyers fled Trump's prior teams, frustrated by him as a client or facing their own ethical predicaments. Others still want themselves and their firms to stay far away from Trump's insistence that the election was stolen.

"It's not a 10-foot pole" for law firms distancing themselves from Trump, "it's a 1,000-foot pole," said John Yoo, a University of California at Berkeley law professor who held a senior Justice Department position in the George W. Bush administration.
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Among the four is William Burck, the white-collar lawyer who represented 11 Trump associates in and after the Mueller investigation. Burck turned Trump down three times in recent months, according to people familiar with the former President's orbit, because he wanted to stay away from how toxic Trump's situation has become after the attempt to overturn the election, the people said.

Trump said in a statement that he had never asked the four lawyers who turned him down, including Burck, for help. "I don't even know who they are, they are just looking to get publicity," the ex-President said. "I am using lawyers who have been with us from the beginning."

"I do pay my lawyers when they do a good job," Trump added.
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Sit down for this -- Foggy's pal Amy wants money. Gateway House of Boys found a flattering photo in her cool animal print jacket.




Women for America First who Helped Organize the Massive Jan. 6 Trump Rally at the Ellipse Are Under Assault and Need Your Help
By Jim Hoft Published October 14, 2021 at 8:00am

Donald Trump is no longer in office, but that isn’t enough for Pelosi and her gang of radical Marxists. Angry Democrats are hell-bent on destroying everyone and anything affiliated with Trump. After November 3rd, when no one else was doing anything to “Stop the Steal” of the presidential election, Women for America First (WFAF) stepped in and filled the gap with other grassroots activists. The RNC bailed out early and did nothing. The Trump Super-PACs weren’t doing anything and neither were any of the well-funded Washington groups.

Women for America First, a small grassroots organization, stepped in to try and stop an election from being stolen by rallying people in the streets and getting them to lobby their state legislatures. Women for America First started the viral Facebook group “Stop The Steal” that triggered the nation to rally at state capitols across the nation leading to the two rallies at Freedom Plaza on Nov 14th and December 12th. The group launched two March for Trump bus tours from California to DC culminating on January 6th with the “Save America” rally at the Ellipse in Washington DC.

This group helped organize one of the largest rallies ever in Washington DC that drew around one million Trump supporters on January 6th. The organization “Women for America First” had nothing to do with what happened at the Capitol. They didn’t even go to the Capitol or tell others to go to the US Capitol that day.




Amy Kremer at the Ellipse on January 6

Now, Pelosi’s hit squad, the January 6th Select Committee is after Women for America First because of their legally permitted activities last fall. The Jan 6th committee has issued subpoenas to WFAF that are 20 pages long. They are demanding communications for the past year surrounding their activities activities. This is a leftist witch hunt against another Pro-Trump organization.

But the subpoenas aren’t enough. They want to haul them in for depositions too. Now, the Congressional Jan 6th Select Committee is threatening criminal referrals for anyone that isn’t compliant. We know what that means… they determine what “noncompliant” means. Women for America First is a grassroots organization and is not funded by any big benefactors and they need your help paying for a legal team. Right now, they are fighting for their freedom and our freedom too. Please help them secure legal counsel to defend freedom and liberty if you can.** You can donate to the Women for America First Legal Fund here.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/1 ... need-help/

Mike Lindell financed this, is he no longer a big benefactor?
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“that drew around one million Trump supporters on January 6th”
Shirley she is confusing it with the inauguration.
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:P Yeah, a little grassroots organization of helpless women folk.





Bonus for Foggy: Looks like another BUS TOUR is coming! Do you still have Amy's contact info or do you need it texted to you again? Can we count you in as BOTG on the RECALL BRAD Bus?

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Trying to hook you up, Foggy --


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Well, know everybody's been waiting for an update -- Foggy's pal Amy and her lovely daughter Kylie brought in $11K today, not a banner day but a nice chunk of change. Didn't see Foggy's name listed but didn't get through the whole list yet.

5%
Goal : $200,000
Raised : $11,652

https://www.givesendgo.com/WFAF
Women for America First Legal Defense Fund
Campaign Created by: Women for America First

The funds from this campaign will be received by Women For America First.

The January 6th Select Committee has issued subpoenas to Women for America First (Chairman, Amy Kremer and Executive Director, Kylie Jane Kremer) because we hosted the Save America Rally at the Ellipse in DC on January 6th.

The committee has requested THOUSANDS of documents from November 1, 2020 until now regarding our Stop The Steal rallies, March for Trump bus tours and our three massive DC rallies (11/14, 12/12 & 1/6), in addition to testifying before them.

Even more egregious, the Committee Chairman, Bennie G. Thompson, has even threatened us with "criminal referrals" if we do not comply.

The goal of the January 6th Committee has never been about ‘finding the truth,’ instead it is nothing more than a partisan show trial intended to intimidate, punish and silence political opponents.

Our message for Nancy Pelosi and her enablers in Congress is simple:
We will not be intimidated, we will not be silenced, we will not simply go away.

We will fight for the right of all Americans to peacefully express their opinions. We will happily testify before an open session of Congress so that the whole world can hear the truth.

But they want to silence us. They want to bankrupt us.

They are trying to intimidate us. But their bullying tactics won't work.

We have to stand up for our constitutional rights and the First Amendment.

As a matter of fact, now is the time to double down and stand for freedom and liberty.

This is not just an attack on Amy, Kylie and Women for America First. This is an attack on We The People.

They WILL NOT silence us. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, January 6th Select Committee Chairman Bennie G. Thompson and their minions WILL NOT intimidate us.

As of now, we must turn over the thousands of documents on October 13th and are scheduled to appear in Congress on October 29th.

We desperately need your support financially and your prayers.

This is a huge unexpected financial cost for Women for America First. The legal fees already incurred since being subpoenaed are enormous and as this plays out will be a fortune.

$200,000 as our goal sounds like a lot... But this is going to be on the low end of our legal fees for Women for America First. They are asking for every document and communication for rough 12 months with our team regarding two bus tours, our three big events in DC and events all across the country, etc. This is an enoromous amount of billable hours for our lawyers to work through.

All donations will go to Women for America First 501(c)4 to cover legal fees and travel to DC. $10, $20, $250... every dollar counts!!

Today it is us, but tomorrow it could be you.

We will fight on for freedom and liberty with WE THE PEOPLE standing strong beside us.

Nancy Pelosi, the January 6th Select Committee and their Democratic colleagues picked a fight with the wrong women.

***Women for America First is a not for profit social welfare organization formed under Section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code. Donations to Women for America First are not tax-deductible as charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes.***
Hope those dolls got those documents in on time! Amy has problems with that, she's been fined by the FEC for not filing her reports timely.
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Who'da thunk, a lawsuit?
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I'm sorry, but I think its time to pass a law that any case brought by or on behalf of one branch of the government against another should be the original jurisdiction of the Supreme Court, as are cases between the several states. Quit piddling around for 2 years of appeals and dragging stuff out when you know you'd lose in the end but you win if it just takes long enough.

Phuck that. The White House wants to say "Phuck you" to a Congressional Committee, fine, have your argument ready for SCOTUS in 14 days. These matters of law aren't things that the inferior courts have ever much disagreed on anyhow. So pass a law, and be done with it.
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