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Kriselda Gray wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:25 am What is the difference between a Head of State and Head of Government, both in general terms and in how the UK handles it?
head of state
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The chief public representative of a nation having duties, privileges and responsibilities varying greatly depending on the constitutional rules; a monarch in a monarchy, and often styled president in a republic, but variations such as collegiality exist.

the chief public representative of a country who may also be the head of government
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state
A head of state (or chief of state) is the public persona who officially embodies a state[1] in its unity and legitimacy. Depending on the country's form of government and separation of powers, the head of state may be a ceremonial figurehead (such as the British monarch) or concurrently the head of government and more (such as the president of the United States, who is also commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces).

In a parliamentary system, such as the United Kingdom or India, the head of state usually has mostly ceremonial powers, with a separate head of government.[2] However, in some parliamentary systems, like South Africa, there is an executive president that is both head of state and head of government. Likewise, in some parliamentary systems the head of state is not the head of government, but still has significant powers, for example Morocco. In contrast, a semi-presidential system, such as France, has both heads of state and government as the de facto leaders of the nation (in practice they divide the leadership of the nation between themselves). Meanwhile, in presidential systems, the head of state is also the head of government.[1] In one-party ruling communist states, the position of president has no tangible powers by itself, however, since such a head of state, as a matter of custom, simultaneously holds the post of General Secretary of the Communist Party, they are the executive leader with their powers deriving from their status of being the party leader, rather than the office of president.

Former French president Charles de Gaulle, while developing the current Constitution of France (1958), said that the head of state should embody l'esprit de la nation ("the spirit of the nation").[3]
That pretty much covers it. In Ireland, the President only has 4 real powers outside the ceremonial ones - Referring a piece of legislation to the Council of State for advice, or the Supreme court, before Signing; Refusal to desolve Parliament when requested by the Prime Minister, addressing a joine session of the House and Senead, and one other than I cant recall.

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Kriselda Gray wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:25 am What is the difference between a Head of State and Head of Government, both in general terms and in how the UK handles it?
In Canada, the Prime Minister (Justin Trudeau) is the head of government. The Monarch (King Charles) is the head of state.
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jemcanada2 wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:59 am
Kriselda Gray wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:25 am What is the difference between a Head of State and Head of Government, both in general terms and in how the UK handles it?
In Canada, the Prime Minister (Justin Trudeau) is the head of government. The Monarch (King Charles) is the head of state.
And the Governor General (Mary Simon) is the King’s representative in Canada.
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Suranis wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:55 am That pretty much covers it. In Ireland, the President only has 4 real powers outside the ceremonial ones - Referring a piece of legislation to the Council of State for advice, or the Supreme court, before Signing; Refusal to desolve Parliament when requested by the Prime Minister, addressing a joine session of the House and Senead, and one other than I cant recall.
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Kriselda Gray wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:25 am What is the difference between a Head of State and Head of Government, both in general terms and in how the UK handles it?
Head of state is ceremonial with no practical power, head of government actually runs the civil government, in the UK, in the Sovereign's name.

In Republics, they are the same. It only really matters to people who know what the Protocol Office is and what they do.
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I think most countries now separate the roles of head of state and head of government; the USA is atypical in combining the two files in one person. In democratic monarchies (insofar as a monarchy can be democratic!) the monarch has that head of state role, in non-monarchies it's the president. France has an oddly mixed system where the relationship between president and prime minister can get complex and difficult.

Outside those countries one rarely hears of their presidents because they typically keep quiet about political events, respecting their roles as constitutional guardians.

Putin became (head of state) president in Russia for a while to escape term limits but managed the (head of government) prime minister (Medvedev??) as his glove puppet.

Suranis will recall how Ireland's president (Uachtarán na hÉireann) was a nice little retirement gift for a senior politician (jobs for the boys!), sometimes fixed without an election, until Mary Robinson won the election in 1990 That seemed to be one of those points where the population decided to ditch the old ways whether the old men of the two main parties wished it or no.
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Sam the Centipede wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:03 pm Suranis will recall how Ireland's president (Uachtarán na hÉireann) was a nice little retirement gift for a senior politician (jobs for the boys!), sometimes fixed without an election, until Mary Robinson won the election in 1990 That seemed to be one of those points where the population decided to ditch the old ways whether the old men of the two main parties wished it or no.
That's one way of interpreting it. But Mary McAleese was reappointed without an election and she was President right after Mary Robinson. And people got seriously pissed at Robinson when she resigned her post a few months early and fucked off to a high powered Job in the UN, forcing an early election...

You also have to mention that that one man, Eamon DeValera, was President for 24 years, which is a hella "Jobs for the boys."

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jemcanada2 wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:15 am
jemcanada2 wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:59 am
Kriselda Gray wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:25 am What is the difference between a Head of State and Head of Government, both in general terms and in how the UK handles it?
In Canada, the Prime Minister (Justin Trudeau) is the head of government. The Monarch (King Charles) is the head of state.
And the Governor General (Mary Simon) is the King’s representative in Canada.
You forget Queen Romana.
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pipistrelle wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:24 pm
jemcanada2 wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:15 am
jemcanada2 wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:59 am

In Canada, the Prime Minister (Justin Trudeau) is the head of government. The Monarch (King Charles) is the head of state.
And the Governor General (Mary Simon) is the King’s representative in Canada.
You forget Queen Romana.
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RTH10260 wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:32 am
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Royal Mail first introduced barcodes to its stamps in February as part of what the company described as its “extensive and ongoing modernisation drive”. It said at the time that the unique barcodes would “facilitate operational efficiencies”, improve security and allow innovative services for customers.


https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... 31-january
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No wonder that country is so F'ed up.

They are "modernizing" by introducing cutting edge 1990's technology!
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Yeah - those pesky little QR codes :biggrin:




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If a modern ATM is capable of reading a handwritten check (usually) I think a scanning system could be cobbled together that could recognize an old style stamp.

Even if all you asked of it was to read the postage today, such a system could be designed with the capability to read and understand the entire handwritten address. A bar code only system can't do that.

What I don't get is this. Are all the postage meters supposed to be replaced as well? Do those print out bar codes now?
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I just checked the Google machine. While the Royal mail speaks of "barcode" they are actually using a rectangular variant of a pixellated code. From descriptions it seems they encode a unique number that can be used to track mail. Or as they say, with their app the sender can associate some other entity for the receiver, such as a video clip.

Privacy advocates will point out that they now can track mailings for law enforcement.
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I'm sure this will work out well for the common people in the UK..
Sunak will not only be Britain’s youngest leader for 200 years, he is the country’s first non-White prime minister. And thanks largely to his wife Murty, Sunak will be one of the richest people to reach the top of the political establishment.

Murty has a 0.93% stake in her father’s Indian software company, Infosys, worth approximately $715 million. That represents the bulk of the couple’s estimated net worth of £730 million ($830 million), according to the Sunday Times Rich List, an annual ranking of the wealthiest people in Britain.

Even Queen Elizabeth wasn’t as rich -- the Sunday Times put the late monarch’s net worth at £370 million (about $420 million) before she died.
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“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
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“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
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Rees-Mogg was a failure in any function he held. The most important one was seeking for Brexit opportunities :lol:
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tek wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:39 am I'm sure this will work out well for the common people in the UK..
Sunak will not only be Britain’s youngest leader for 200 years, he is the country’s first non-White prime minister. And thanks largely to his wife Murty, Sunak will be one of the richest people to reach the top of the political establishment.

Murty has a 0.93% stake in her father’s Indian software company, Infosys, worth approximately $715 million. That represents the bulk of the couple’s estimated net worth of £730 million ($830 million), according to the Sunday Times Rich List, an annual ranking of the wealthiest people in Britain.

Even Queen Elizabeth wasn’t as rich -- the Sunday Times put the late monarch’s net worth at £370 million (about $420 million) before she died.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/25/business ... index.html
In fairness, the monarchy does control about 40 billion in property, it's just not the Monarch's personal fortune. But, yes, the greater point that Rishi is disgustingly wealthy still stands.
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Seems like it used to be that the ultra-wealthy just controlled everything from the shadows, think Koch brothers, etc. Now they just do it openly.
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Rishi married his money. His wife's family is loaded so at best it's his father in law's fortune.

Which is marginally less evil than being the 14th great grandson of a French Bully who got pissed off and invaded the country.
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UK Commons passes bill to electronically tag protesters that haven’t been convicted of a crime
Sweeping new surveillance proposal.

By Ken Macon
Posted 10:45 am

The UK House of Commons passed the controversial Public Order Bill by 276 to 231 votes. The bill aims to give police and courts more power to prevent protests and the ability to electronically monitor protesters with an ankle tag before they’ve even been tried in a court of law.

We obtained a copy of the bill for you here.

While introducing the bill, former Home Secretary Priti Patel said: “What we have seen in recent years is a rise in criminal, disruptive and self-defeating guerrilla tactics, carried out by a selfish few in the name of protest.

“Not only do these anti-social protests cause untold delays and misery for the law-abiding public wanting to get on with their lives, it tears police away from communities where they are needed most to prevent serious violence and neighborhood crime.

“This bill backs the police to take proactive action and prevent such disruption happening in the first place. These measures stand up for the responsible majority and it is time that Parliament got behind them.”

In a joint briefing, a coalition of human rights groups and other organizations criticizing the bill, warned that the bill would have a “chilling effect on our ability to stand up to power.”



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That sounds bad. Don't they have free speech rights in the UK or are they just not as robust as ours?
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Different...

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/19 ... /chapter/9

Human Rights Act 1998

UK Public General Acts1998 c. 42 SCHEDULE 1 PART I Article 10

Freedom of expression
1 Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

2 The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
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https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/section/4

4 Fear or provocation of violence.
(1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—
(a)uses towards another person threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or
(b)distributes or displays to another person any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,with intent to cause that person to believe that immediate unlawful violence will be used against him or another by any person, or to provoke the immediate use of unlawful violence by that person or another, or whereby that person is likely to believe that such violence will be used or it is likely that such violence will be provoked.
(2)An offence under this section may be committed in a public or a private place, except that no offence is committed where the words or behaviour are used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation is distributed or displayed, by a person inside a dwelling and the other person is also inside that or another dwelling.
(3)F1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or both.


Textual Amendments
F1
S. 4(3) repealed (1.1.2006) by Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 (c. 15), ss. 111, 174(2), 178(8), Sch. 7 para. 26(3), Sch 17 Pt. 2; S.I. 2005/3495, art. 2(m)(u)(xxvi)

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/section/4A

[F1 4A Intentional harassment, alarm or distress.
(1)A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he—
(a)uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
(b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.
(2)An offence under this section may be committed in a public or a private place, except that no offence is committed where the words or behaviour are used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation is displayed, by a person inside a dwelling and the person who is harassed, alarmed or distressed is also inside that or another dwelling.
(3)It is a defence for the accused to prove—
(a)that he was inside a dwelling and had no reason to believe that the words or behaviour used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation displayed, would be heard or seen by a person outside that or any other dwelling, or
(b)that his conduct was reasonable.
(4)F2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
(5)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or both.]
Textual Amendments

F1
S. 4A inserted (3.2.1995) by 1994 c. 33, s. 154; S.I. 1995/127, art. 2, Sch. 1

F2
S. 4A(4) repealed (1.1.2006) by Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 (c. 15), ss. 111, 174(2), 178(8), Sch. 7 para. 26(4), Sch 17 Pt. 2; S.I. 2005/3495, art. 2(m)(u)(xxvi)
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