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Sounds like it's a grand old party over in England. This made tracks on my FB feed and had to share :bighug:

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-05/ ... /101126844

The Queen's Platinum Jubilee Party at the Palace concert features Paddington Bear, star performances and a Partygate joke

The concert opened with a skit of the Queen sitting down to tea with fellow British icon Paddington Bear.

Despite being characteristically polite and well-meaning, poor Paddington made a bit of a mess of the spread.

The ever-prepared bear offered the Queen an emergency marmalade sandwich — something he keeps stashed in his hat — but it turned out that was unnecessary.

That's because the Queen also keeps such essential provisions on hand at all times.

Now we know why she's always carrying around a handbag even when she has people to hold her things for her.
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Watched it, enjoyed it although the Rod Stewart butchering of Sweet Caroline was rather cringe worthy it must be said. Paddington sketch with the Queen, far better....
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Is there such a thing as a vote of bad haircut in the British Parliament? ;)
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Unless the notion of probity in governance and politics within the Conservative party is much higher than I believe it to be the vote of confidence in Boris, although it will probably result in his being a little more cautious in his actions, will be a further endorsement of the retention of power outweighing honesty in politics. Much as the Republicans first impeachment vote can be said to have led to the invasion of the Capitol Building and subsequent events, this will not bode well for democracy in the UK.
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The cover of Private Eye has the Queen saying to Boris "I can't believe you've lasted this long."
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“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
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But if they vote away his confidence, whatever will he have remaining? :confuzzled:
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Boris wins 211 to 148.
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Boris Johnson has survived a confidence vote but is wounded. How much longer can he last as British PM?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-07/ ... /101130650
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Dave from down under wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:46 am Boris Johnson has survived a confidence vote but is wounded. How much longer can he last as British PM?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-07/ ... /101130650
12 months.
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Once you survive a no confidence vote, you are safe from another for 12 months.
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Unless they hate you and vote to change the rules…

But if that is likely you might as well save a bit of dignity and resign.

Oh and there is always the chance of a no confidence vote in parliament attracting the unhappy in the Tory party.
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Suranis wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:33 am Once you survive a no confidence vote, you are safe from another for 12 months.
Based in my reading of The Guardian and Twitter:

Only safe from another similar confidence vote by the party's MPs. And if they don't amend the rules.

The Opposition could table a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons, which would put the Tories who voted "no" in a quandary: do the vote with the Oposition against Johnson or stay loyal to their party? Probably loyal, so the Opposition won't do that. But it would force them out into the open (not a secret vote!) and a vote either way would anger some of the voters in their constituencies.

I read analysis saying that if (IF!!!) the large "payroll vote" (those MPs holding office under Johnson) voted for Johnson (as is expected, but it was a secret ballot…), then Johnson has the support of only about 7% of the non-payroll MPs. Ouch!

Three previous Conservative Prime Ministers survived no confidence motions with better results than Johnson, but all resigned within the following year, as they were so badly holed below the waterline. Johnson's main at is that there is no obviously competent person who might take over; he and his cuckoos have forced out the decent wedding of their party, supplanted by apparatchiks, funded by corruption and lies, supported by a loyal right-wing press.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -challenge
Rebel Conservatives have given Boris Johnson until the party conference to change direction, saying rules could be altered to allow another challenge, as Dominic Raab called for the “democratic result” of the vote to be respected.

Johnson lost the confidence of 41% of his MPs in a vote on his leadership on Monday night, after weeks of anger over lockdown-breaking parties in Downing Street and fears the party’s direction is causing a slump at the polls.

The prime minister will attempt to reassert control of the political agenda this week by confirming the government will table legislation to override parts of the Northern Ireland protocol – a move likely to further inflame tensions with some of his party critics.
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Labour and the Lib Dems got the result they wanted. They did not want a new leader to replace a wounded Boris Johnson. They would rather face Johnson in an early election, which now looks even more likely.
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Sam the Centipede wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:52 am
The Opposition could table a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons
Yes, but that would only happen if the Government could not ensure supply - meaning they couldn't pass a bill that allocated funds (supply) to pay Government bills. Which would only happen if some member of the Governing party got pissed off, quit the party, moved to the cross-benches, and started voting against the Government.

Even if the party had 'cancelled' Boris, the Tories would still be the majority party and would still have the votes to pass supply.

When the Government cannot get the votes to pass supply, then they have demonstrated that they are not the majority (or can muster a coalition) that can successfully govern. When that happens the Queen will then give someone else a chance to form a Government. If no one can form a government that can pass supply, then an election must be called to resolve the matter.
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“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
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Quoting from a vlogger (not verbatim)

He just reread the UK - Rwanda agreement.

seems the wording is not about deportation nor waiting for final admission in the UK but speaking about resettlement

numbers limited to 300 persons per year transferred from UK to Rwanda

And here the point long not mentioned and will infuriate the racists that want foreigners gone:

Rwanda has the right to resettle same number of people to the UK!

ps. the tax payer obviouslly will not be paying regular airline tickets, the Royal Airforce will be making the ferry flights with a handful of non-paying customers on each outbound trip.
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The trade war can be quite subtle: the French only need to add a few minutes to processing of a lorry to the EU and the queues within the UK will explode to the thousands. Truckers from the continent will even less want to transport loads to the UK and crossborder trade costs will increase. On the tourism side, depending how hard EU destinations want travellers, the scrutiny at the borders on travellers with UK passports could be increased. I understand that the new legislation would allow the UK departments to make their own decision about following the protocoll. If it comes to a hard confronation then whole economic sectors in the UK would be blocked from commerce with the EU.
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on the Rwanda deal:

:shock: The Rwandan interpretation is that the refugees deported from the UK are to be resettled in Rwanda - against their will - not awaiting asylum claim resolution!
Doris Uwicyeza, chief technical adviser to the Rwandan Ministry of Justice, told Tom Swarbrick on LBC: "Rwanda stands ready to receive as many as possible under this partnership, we have the capacity to receive in the tens of thousands but for the moment it will be on a gradual basis.

"The UK is providing substantial investment to boost the development of Rwanda, including jobs, skills and opportunities to benefit both migrants and host communities."

Ms Uwicyeza also defended Rwanda's human rights record and said it was not illegal to be homosexual.

She added: "Not at all, actually based on our history we understand the importance of protecting anybody from hate speech and discrimination, this is not tolerated in our society, the freedom from discrimination due to sexual orientation of a person is guaranteed in our constitution and the rule of law is there to enforce that."

Asked how long people will be granted temporary residency while the UK tests their claim, Ms Uwicyeza said: "It is Rwanda that will be testing the claim, these people are coming to Rwanda to be relocated and re-integrated in Rwandan society.


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It is part of the UK government’s humanitarian plan that they deport every asylum seeker / migrant they can to Rwanda (and in future possibly other (African?) countries) who will then take responsibility for any asylum to be granted within Rwanda - maybe for only 5 years. There is supposedly no option to return to the UK. Once again the UK leads the world in dealing with human trafficking. N.B. Do not suggest Rwanda is in it for the money. :mad:
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PS.
RTH10260 wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:29 am :snippity:
Asked how long people will be granted temporary residency while the UK tests their claim, Ms Uwicyeza said: "It is Rwanda that will be testing the claim, these people are coming to Rwanda to be relocated and re-integrated in Rwandan society.


interview in https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/protesters-g ... re-rwanda/
Rwanda will be "testing claims" against what legal background? What if their test fails? Will they send the refugee back to the UK? What if the refugee rejects the resettlement offer? What to do with refugees that rebel? Feed them to the crocs, the lions, the... ?
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“Rwanda asylum flight cancelled after legal action”:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61806383

“The first flight scheduled to take asylum seekers from the UK to Rwanda on Tuesday has been cancelled after a last-minute legal battle.
Up to seven people had been expected to be removed to the east African country.
But the flight was stopped after an intervention from the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR).”
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Next stop, legislation to ignore the ECtHR.
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