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Patagoniagirl wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 9:01 pm
Ya mean like wagging the dog?

neonzx wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:36 pm 1948, without consent of the Palestinians -- the USA backed that.

That's where we fucked ourselves. To turn a crude phrase, "we stuck our d**k where it did not belong." And we pay for it and we keep paying for it.

Dr. Caligari wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 12:54 pm

neonzx wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:36 pm 1948, without consent of the Palestinians -- the USA backed that.

That's where we fucked ourselves. To turn a crude phrase, "we stuck our d**k where it did not belong." And we pay for it and we keep paying for it.

The United Nations voted in 1947 to partition British Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews accepted the U.N. resolution; the Palestinians did not take that opportunity for an independent state. The surrounding Arab countries --Egypt, Syria, Jordan (then Transjordan), Lebanon-- rejected not only the existence of Israel but also of Palestine, and claimed the territory for themselves, leading to the 1948 war (in which Israel ultimately kept more-or-less the territory the U.N. had allocated to it, and Egypt, Syria and Jordan seized the land that was supposed to have been Palestine). Both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. gave diplomatic recognition to Israel, pursuant to the U.N. resolution.

Dr. Caligari wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 12:54 pm
The United Nations voted in 1947 to partition British Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews accepted the U.N. resolution; the Palestinians did not take that opportunity for an independent state.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 2:37 pm I was in the car listening to Andrea Mitchell and heard a snippet of what I think was her saying Netanyahu's popularity is skyrocketing after getting this close to being tossed out on his ass. Did I hear that right?

The settlers were predominantly American and Eastern European (so Russian and adjacent) so yes, both the US and Russia supported their claim.

Patagoniagirl wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:06 pm Maybe the big difference with South Africa also has to do with the issues not being religion but race?

Jerusalem (CNN) Israeli security forces used stun grenades and rubber bullets against Palestinians outside the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, where thousands of worshipers had been attending Friday prayers, puncturing a half-day of calm brought on by a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.

A CNN journalist at the mosque compound said dozens of Israeli officers hit journalists with batons and tried to point rifles at them, calling them “liars” when they showed them their press cards.

The officers moved on to the compound as thousands of worshipers chanted in solidarity with Gaza and with Palestinian residents of the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where some Palestinian families are facing eviction.

An Israeli police spokesperson said the officers were responding to a riot by hundreds of young Palestinians that included the throwing of stones at police forces.

Dr. Caligari wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:24 pm A very good discussion of what is happening in Israeli politics now:
Israel's new government

Outgoing Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu lost his chance to form a government as the deadline ran out on Thursday, but he swung into action in an attempt to stop his rivals from forming one, either.

A successful prime minister would have to be able pass a confidence vote in the Israeli parliament or Knesset, requiring a simple majority of 61 yes votes in the 120-member body. Netanyahu’s rivals, the right wing extremist Naftali Bennett of the Yamina Party and the centrist Yair Lapid of the Yesh Atid (There is a Future) Party, have lined up exactly 61 votes.

The slimness of this majority, however, makes them vulnerable. Netanyahu called on right wing members of the coalition not to vote for it and instead to join him.

The Times of Israel reports that Netanyahu met Thursday with the main umbrella organization for Israeli squatters on Palestinian land in the West Bank. The squatters are clearly afraid that the new government will not be supportive of them in the way that Netanyahu has been, even though the proposed new prime minister, Bennett, is a former squatter himself. That is because Bennett will require the support of small left wing parties and of one Palestinian-Israeli party, to remain in power and so may not be able to do anything practical to support the settler movement.

It is a severe violation of the Geneva Conventions for an occupying power to send its own population in to settle on occupied territory. The 1949 Geneva Convention was formulated to forestall a repeat of the sort of thing Nazi Germany did in Poland, where it expelled Poles and brought in German squatters in hopes of Germanizing it and annexing it.

Netanyahu proposed a massive demonstration by the Haredim at the house of one of the right wing members of Bennett’s Yamina party, in hopes of intimidating him into withdrawing, leaving the new coalition with only 60 members.

Barak Ravid at Axios reports that Netanyahu is targeting Yamina member Nir Orbach in particular, and has manipulated Orbach’s rabbi into pressuring him to withdraw.

Read more at https://www.juancole.com/2021/06/netany ... ments.html

Patagoniagirl wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:19 pm Fire. Frying pan. Hes a devotee of Netties policies. I'm glad Netti is out but this is like Louie Gohmert or Rick DeSantis succeeding.

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Suranis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:49 pm It's not a setuation where they will be able to do much of anything.

Israel vows to ‘act aggressively’ against Ben & Jerry’s

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel’s prime minister vowed Tuesday to “act aggressively” against the decision by Ben & Jerry’s to stop selling its ice cream in Israeli-occupied territories, as the country’s ambassador to the U.S. urged dozens of state governors to punish the company under anti-boycott laws.

The strong reaction reflected concerns in Israel that the ice cream maker’s decision could lead other companies to follow suit. It also appeared to set the stage for a protracted public relations and legal battle.

Prime Minister Naftali Bennett’s office said he spoke with Alan Jope, chief executive of Ben & Jerry’s parent company Unilever, and raised concern about what he called a “clearly anti-Israel step.” He said the move would have “serious consequences, legal and otherwise,” [is IDF going to bomb them?] and Israel “will act aggressively against all boycott actions directed against its citizens.”

In Washington, State Department spokesman Ned Price declined to comment directly on the company’s decision. But he said the U.S. rejects the boycott movement against Israel, saying it “unfairly singles out” the country.

Israel’s Ambassador to the United Nations and the United States, Gilad Erdan, sent letters to 35 governors whose states have laws against boycotting Israel asking that they consider speaking out against Ben & Jerry’s decision “and taking any other relevant steps, including in relation to your state laws and the commercial dealings between Ben & Jerry’s and your state.”

Erdan said Israel views the company’s decision as “the de-facto adoption of anti-Semitic practices and advancement of the de-legitimization of the Jewish state and the dehumanization of the Jewish people.”