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bob wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:57 am
Dr. Ken wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:48 am

That's a lot of 5th pleading
Like two full Zullos of Fifthing.
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Greatgrey wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:46 am I’m kinda amazed nobody in MAGALand ever read Rule 41.
It is easier to lie about the law than read it.

And there's no downside to the lies, as there's no amount of truth or facts that will persuade those who desperately need their beliefs to be everyone's reality.
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bob wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:57 am
Dr. Ken wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:48 am

That's a lot of 5th pleading
Like two full Zullos of Fifthing.
I think I'm going to use that. How does this measure to an Alberto Gonzalez level of I don't recalls?
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Donald Trump: the 4pleadthe5th POTUS
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Change approved.
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Trump knows what he's doing. Getting people ready for another January 6th
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Greatgrey wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:46 am I’m kinda amazed nobody in MAGALand ever read Rule 41.
Color me baffled for a few minutes: muddling numbers I thought you were referring to Rule 34 … not of FRCP but of the internet*.

And then I wondered what you envisaged. My imagination was not strong enough. Which is fortunate, because my stomach would not have been either.

* Rule #34 of the internet: There is porn of it. No exceptions.
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The most fun outcome of the FBI "raid" is the increased paranoia of Trump and his supporters.

Rolling Stone - With Feds Circling, Trump Asks Allies: Who’s ‘Wearing a Wire’?
Donald Trump is worried he may have a rat — or multiple rats — in his midst. He’s wondering if his phones are tapped, or even if one of his buddies could be “wearing a wire.”

As the federal and state investigations into Trump and his orbit swell, so have the former president’s suspicions, according to two sources familiar with the matter and another two people close to the twice-impeached former Oval Office occupant.

This summer, Trump has asked close associates if they think his communications are being monitored by the feds, or — per his phrasing — “by Biden.” As a source close to Trump describes it to Rolling Stone: “He has asked me and others, ‘Do you think our phones are tapped?’ Given the sheer volume of investigations going on into the [former] president, I do not think he’s assuming anything is outside the realm of possibility.”

The source adds, “He’s talked about this seriously [in the past few months], but I know of one time when he made a joke that was something like, ‘Be careful what you say on the phone!’”

Moreover, on at least a couple of occasions since May, the former president has wondered aloud if there were any Republicans visiting his clubs who could be “wearing a wire,” according to another person close to Trump and a different source familiar with the matter. Trump and his allies are baselessly floating the idea that federal agents could be guilty of “planting” incriminating evidence at his private resort. And the ex-president and several of his longtime advisers are trying to figure out if they have, in their terminology, a “mole” or a “rat” in Trump’s inner sanctum who is slipping his secrets to the feds.
I've also seen tweets showing Fox News wondering who the informer might be.
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Whoever it is, DeSantis is getting his money's worth. :boxing:
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But seriously, what rat fink is in both Trump and DeSantis's orbits that could plausibly be the leak? We could kill three birds with one stone* here. "[Rat Fink (R-FL)] was spying on Trump for the FBI on DeSantis's orders!" :whisper:

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As one tweeter mused, why would a president who barely read anything when in office, not even the important stuff, wish to steal so much text?

It's bizarre. I wonder if it's part of his "I am invulnerable" projection.
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I don’t have access but the NYT has an article “Trump Received Subpoena Ahead of F.B.I. Search”.
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Uninformed wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:43 pm I don’t have access but the NYT has an article “Trump Received Subpoena Ahead of F.B.I. Search”.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/us/p ... poena.html

I had to change browser and was able to open it and read. Not a subscriber so can't gift it.
Former President Donald J. Trump received a subpoena this spring in search of documents that federal investigators believed he had failed to turn over earlier in the year, when he returned boxes of material he had improperly taken with him upon moving out of the White House, three people familiar with the matter said.

The existence of the subpoena helps to flesh out the sequence of events that led to the search of Mr. Trump’s Florida home on Monday by F.B.I. agents seeking classified material they believed might still be there, even after efforts by the National Archives and the Justice Department to ensure that it had been returned.

The subpoena suggests that the Justice Department tried methods short of a search warrant to account for the material before taking the politically explosive step of sending F.B.I. agents unannounced to Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump’s home and members-only club.
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Works fine. Thanks!
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The subpoena, if true (and I don't see a good reason to lie about it), would undercut the "search warrant as only practical method for secure-document retrieval."

The tidbit about him gladhanding the initial investigators is fodder for some creative courtroom lawyering.
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Worked just fine. Thanks! I found this paragraph interesting.
Some senior Republicans have been warned by allies of Mr. Trump not to continue to be aggressive in criticizing the Justice Department and the F.B.I. over the matter because it is possible that more damaging information related to the search will become public.
When trump's team say they were "cooperating", I guess they meant trump refused to return what he considered personal items. Just exactly what he considers personal items remains to be seen.
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“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
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But but all the talking heads on Fox said that if they wanted the documents they could have just subpoenaed them and there was no need for a search warrant. Huh.
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Suranis wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:00 am :snippity:
Ya I';ve mentioned this several times on the zoom meetups, and I posted an article saying this on the oldbow, but the prevailing myth seems to be that minorities and women rose up and kicked the old blustering fool out. Bull shit. Minorities actually voted for trump 2% more than 2016. What actually happened is that his vote among white men went down 8%. It was white men who saw through his bullshit and gave him the eviction notice. And didn't get the credit as it interferes with the script and might force people to *choke* think and alter their worldview a bit. Who cares if it's true?

But I think the reason why the "its lower class people who went trump" Myth is so sticky is because people don't like the fact that it is Middle class people who love trump. (a) That's where the "Liberals" are supposed to be and (b) it allows people to sneer down at the Trump voter rather than see the trump voter as being of the same class as themselves.

What actually is that Middle class people, liberal or conservative, tend to be angry intolerant shitheads. They are just above the Proles but still part of the shitty masses, not the high lifers they want to be. So, they tend to go into angry outrage bubbles where they can lash out and look down at other people and bask in their righteousness and superiority. The trump Voter being a middle class slob like themselves does not fit into the script.

People will believe pretty much anything if it lets them be superior to other people. Another one is how people cling to the idea that people thought the Earth was flat in the Middle ages.
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Sam the Centipede wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:30 pm
Greatgrey wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:46 am I’m kinda amazed nobody in MAGALand ever read Rule 41.
Color me baffled for a few minutes: muddling numbers I thought you were referring to Rule 34 … not of FRCP but of the internet*.

And then I wondered what you envisaged. My imagination was not strong enough. Which is fortunate, because my stomach would not have been either.

* Rule #34 of the internet: There is porn of it. No exceptions.
Well there’s different Rule 34s. Some involve porn, others just say video.

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I don't usually read Drudge but this is front page.
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I don't know but I really, really, really want it to be Melanie.
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I love this graphic -

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Slim Cognito wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:20 pm I don't know but I really, really, really want it to be Melanie.
Melanie would have sold it to Russia for cold, hard cash.
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W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:39 am Donald Trump: the 4pleadthe5th POTUS
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