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Kate520 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:07 pm Is that you, Northland?

MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:57 pm To me it's simple... if you love your neighbor, you don't give him Covid.

AndyinPA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:17 pm It's been a long time since Sunday School, but one of the things I remember clearly is how it's better to pray in private than to pray in public.

MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:57 pm To me it's simple... if you love your neighbor, you don't give him Covid.

Lani wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:36 pm

AndyinPA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:17 pm It's been a long time since Sunday School, but one of the things I remember clearly is how it's better to pray in private than to pray in public.

King James version: And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Where I live, there's a lot of public praying, including the beginning of government gatherings, meetings, and public relations events. Not brief prayers either and often includes a church song or two. I am not comfortable with that, so I wait until it's over before joining. My absence is noticed, but I'm not alone in waiting for the religious stuff to end before joining the gathering. When I asked about it, I quote Matthew, and then they leave me alone. That works better and quicker than explaining the separation of church and state.

northland10 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:52 pmGallups is more interested in fighting against some grand evil government plot to destroy Christianity than he is in loving your neighbor, feeding my sheep, and all those other liberal things that his Jeebus would never have talked about because communism.

bob wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:14 pm

northland10 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:52 pmGallups is more interested in fighting against some grand evil government plot to destroy Christianity than he is in loving your neighbor, feeding my sheep, and all those other liberal things that his Jeebus would never have talked about because communism.

To Gallups' "credit," he claims to believe (and perhaps even does sincerely believe) that vaccines kill people, masks harm people, social distancing has negative physical and mental effects, etc., so he is (in his way) tending to his neighbor.

But, even so, he could believe all that without being a sanctimonious, preening asshole.

Suranis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:03 am Prosperity Theology is an insidious disease that is spreading. Its very big in Africa, and I've read that some Catholic Priests are starting to buy into it too.

LM K wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:32 pm

Suranis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:03 am Prosperity Theology is an insidious disease that is spreading. Its very big in Africa, and I've read that some Catholic Priests are starting to buy into it too.

It is an insidious disease. It preys on the poor. "Send $ and it will come back to you threefold. Trust God!"

I used to be really religious. I dual minored in college; anthropology and music ministry. I've worked in ministry. I'm an atheist now. My dark night of the soul lasted too long. And I became a scientist.

I was the most theologically liberal student at my religious university. I was respected, but it wasn't unusual to hear "I'll pray for you". My profs loved me because most of them were more theologically liberal than the student body. I pissed off a fellow student so badly in a New Testaments class that he punched his friend to try to argue against my point.

I worked at a Christian bookstore for a summer. The owners believed in prosperity theology. It was so damn disturbing. The owners had a daughter who had a serious chronic health issue. According to prosperity theology, their daughter was I'll because they just didn't fully trust God to be good enough for his full blessings. They just needed to "name it and claim it".

A close friend of mine has a mom who is seriously mentally ill. At times her mom was low on food because she would send her money to tv evangelists. Her mom had a ministry degree, and was never an evangelical. But prosperity ministers did a job on her when she became mostly homebound and her mental illness became worse. It was horrifying watching this poor woman living in poverty as she sent her money to wealthy televangelists who mocked her poverty.

There is nothing scripturally to support prosperity theology. It's predatory.

LM K wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:32 pm
It is an insidious disease. It preys on the poor. "Send $ and it will come back to you threefold. Trust God!"

I used to be really religious. I dual minored in college; anthropology and music ministry. I've worked in ministry. I'm an atheist now. My dark night of the soul lasted too long. And I became a scientist.

I was the most theologically liberal student at my religious university. I was respected, but it wasn't unusual to hear "I'll pray for you". My profs loved me because most of them were more theologically liberal than the student body. I pissed off a fellow student so badly in a New Testaments class that he punched his friend to try to argue against my point.

I worked at a Christian bookstore for a summer. The owners believed in prosperity theology. It was so damn disturbing. The owners had a daughter who had a serious chronic health issue. According to prosperity theology, their daughter was I'll because they just didn't fully trust God to be good enough for his full blessings. They just needed to "name it and claim it".

A close friend of mine has a mom who is seriously mentally ill. At times her mom was low on food because she would send her money to tv evangelists. Her mom had a ministry degree, and was never an evangelical. But prosperity ministers did a job on her when she became mostly homebound and her mental illness became worse. It was horrifying watching this poor woman living in poverty as she sent her money to wealthy televangelists who mocked her poverty.

There is nothing scripturally to support prosperity theology. It's predatory.

bob wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:04 pm https://twitter.com/CarlGallups/status/ ... 7639669763
Some Jerk would ask Gallups if Obama was a legitimate president, but....

sterngard friegen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:14 pm

neonzx wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:20 pm

sterngard friegen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:19 pm I hate to admit it but Joel Osteen is a guilty pleasure. I listen to him for a couple of minutes a couple times a month.

I am amazed at his religious ideology. It has nothing to do with the teachings in the Old or New Testaments. It's all about being optimistic and confident. Period.

And this fake is rich!

You sound jealous. Why didn't go into preaching instead of law? Much less formal training and work.

More difficult to grift the people in my affinity group.

bob wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 3:52 pm

Some Jerk would ask Gallups which "State Dept. Doc" earned him his bane, but...

woodworker wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 7:22 pm I love the exemption for companies that own theme parks in Florida. All Youtube, google, etc. need to do, if I understand correctly, is purchase some pissant theme park and they can ban all they want.

woodworker wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 7:17 pm

sterngard friegen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:14 pm

neonzx wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:20 pm
You sound jealous. Why didn't go into preaching instead of law? Much less formal training and work.

More difficult to grift the people in my affinity group.

Horsepeople?

woodworker wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 7:22 pm I love the exemption for companies that own theme parks in Florida. All Youtube, google, etc. need to do, if I understand correctly, is purchase some pissant theme park and they can ban all they want.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 9:29 pm How do they collect?