Another Shooting

[sugar magnolia]

When my kids were in daycare (2 different states) they were fingerprinted. I'm guessing the DNA thing is just the next generation of identification. But by all means let people lose their minds over it. And hope they never need it.

[raison de arizona]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people, but the police have yet to take the 3-year-old into custody. Or whoever supplied them the firearm, ideally. They are seeking tips, however. Nothing could have been done to prevent this tragedy?

Child shot and killed in Lancaster; vigil held on Wednesday

A child was accidentally shot and killed Tuesday evening in Lancaster.

Police confirmed that a 3-year-old fired the fatal shot.

The victim's grandfather said the 3-year-old is a relative, and the child shot his 1 1/2-year-old grandson.

The shooting happened around 7:10 p.m. at a home on Woodward Street near the intersection of South Christian Street.

"Upon arrival, officers located an infant lying on the floor inside the residence with an apparent gunshot wound to the face. Officers rendered aid to the infant and were assisted by responding Emergency Medical Services personnel. Medical personnel took over treatment of the victim. Tragically, the victim was pronounced deceased at the scene by medical personnel," Lancaster police said in a statement.

Police said they secured the residence and identified witnesses and "involved persons."

An investigation is underway.

Family members held a vigil Wednesday evening and were joined by Pastor Carmen Morales.

"It's a sad, sad picture to see. I pray that the community will come together and really show up," she said.

Tips, information
Police are asking anyone who has information about the shooting to call Lancaster police at 717-735-3301 to speak with an officer or investigator.

https://www.wgal.com/article/child-shot ... a/41705372#

[raison de arizona]

When my kids were in daycare (2 different states) they were fingerprinted. I'm guessing the DNA thing is just the next generation of identification. But by all means let people lose their minds over it. And hope they never need it.

Viewed in the light of Things Governor Abbott Has Done To Prevent Future School Shootings In His State it is far too little. I get that this isn't the problem it is intended to solve, but his solutions have been few and far between.

[Ben-Prime]

When my kids were in daycare (2 different states) they were fingerprinted. I'm guessing the DNA thing is just the next generation of identification. But by all means let people lose their minds over it. And hope they never need it.

Viewed in the light of Things Governor Abbott Has Done To Prevent Future School Shootings In His State it is far too little. I get that this isn't the problem it is intended to solve, but his solutions have been few and far between.

That's the thing. It comes across as "We'll do nothing to help prevent the shootings, we'll just help you identify the bodies."

[sugar magnolia]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people, but the police have yet to take the 3-year-old into custody. Or whoever supplied them the firearm, ideally. They are seeking tips, however. Nothing could have been done to prevent this tragedy?

Child shot and killed in Lancaster; vigil held on Wednesday

A child was accidentally shot and killed Tuesday evening in Lancaster.

Police confirmed that a 3-year-old fired the fatal shot.

The victim's grandfather said the 3-year-old is a relative, and the child shot his 1 1/2-year-old grandson.

The shooting happened around 7:10 p.m. at a home on Woodward Street near the intersection of South Christian Street.

"Upon arrival, officers located an infant lying on the floor inside the residence with an apparent gunshot wound to the face. Officers rendered aid to the infant and were assisted by responding Emergency Medical Services personnel. Medical personnel took over treatment of the victim. Tragically, the victim was pronounced deceased at the scene by medical personnel," Lancaster police said in a statement.

Police said they secured the residence and identified witnesses and "involved persons."

An investigation is underway.

Family members held a vigil Wednesday evening and were joined by Pastor Carmen Morales.

"It's a sad, sad picture to see. I pray that the community will come together and really show up," she said.

Tips, information
Police are asking anyone who has information about the shooting to call Lancaster police at 717-735-3301 to speak with an officer or investigator.

https://www.wgal.com/article/child-shot ... a/41705372#

A 3 year old did the shooting? WTH is the trigger pull on the damn gun?

[Dave from down under]

A 3 year old did the shooting? WTH is the trigger pull on the damn gun?

Hair trigger, because you never know when a 1.5 year old might be a threat.

[Dave from down under]

Not being someone familiar with it - I had a quick look online ...

What Trigger Weights Are Common for Firearm Types? 1-5 pounds: most single-action revolvers and semiautomatic weapons

[RTH10260]

Also likely cause of the weight of the gun, it was held with both hands and childlike two fingers to pull the lever.

[Suranis]

The unspoken thing is that it is very common for people to reduce the pull weight on a trigger. Because having to pull on the trigger reduces firing time by however much seconds, and reduces accuracy and battle readiness!!!

it took me 2 seconds to find this kit to reduce the trigger pull on an AR-15, so ya really easy to get.

https://a1armory.com/a1armory-ar15-redu ... igger-kit/

[raison de arizona]

The unspoken thing is that it is very common for people to reduce the pull weight on a trigger. Because having to pull on the trigger reduces firing time by however much seconds, and reduces accuracy and battle readiness!!!

it took me 2 seconds to find this kit to reduce the trigger pull on an AR-15, so ya really easy to get.

https://a1armory.com/a1armory-ar15-redu ... igger-kit/

You too can reduce the trigger pull so that a 3-year-old can pull it for the low low price of only $10.

[Azastan]

I am finding it interesting that 'police are asking anyone who has information about the shooting to call Lancaster police' .

Sounds as if they are not really convinced that the 3year old actually did the shooting, or at least, there is a concern about how a 3 year old got hold of the gun in the first place.

Perhaps I am reading too much into that sentence.

[RTH10260]

I think that was just boilerplate of any crime press release.

[Azastan]

I think that was just boilerplate of any crime press release.

It also says they secured the residence, identified witnesses and 'involved persons', so perhaps there really is more to the story.

[raison de arizona]

Editor's Note: This story has been updated Wednesday afternoon to reflect new information released by Lancaster city police.

Lancaster police confirmed that 3-year-old shot and killed an infant Tuesday night.

Crews responded around 7 p.m. to the 500 block of Woodward Street for report of a baby shot in the face by a child, according to dispatch reports. A supervisor with Lancaster County Wide Communications confirmed that the dispatch involved a child reportedly shot but referred a reporter to Lancaster city police for additional information.

Officers arrived to find an infant lying on the floor of the residence with a gunshot wound to the face. Officers rendered aid until EMS arrived, but medical personnel later pronounced the infant dead at the scene, police said.

Neighbors in the area said they didn't hear any gunfire, but one neighbor said she heard screaming and crying. Another neighbor, who said he saw officers inside the house searching with flashlights, also said a man on the scene was screaming and crying, saying "they killed my baby."

A neighbor also said that several children lived in the house and told a reporter that they could see police giving a child CPR. Another news outlet reported that the child was 1 1/2 years old. Police have not identified the infant or specified its age.

Police confirmed in a news release Wednesday afternoon that a 3-year-old child inside the home fired the weapon.

"As of this time, the Bureau of Police does not have any persons in custody related to this investigation," police said in a release.

Police are continuing to investigate and ask anyone with information to call the Lancaster City Bureau of Police at 717-735-3301.

This is a breaking news story and will be updated.

https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/ ... 54fca.html

[RTH10260]

Teenager to Plead Guilty to Terrorism and Murder in Michigan School Shooting
The student is expected to plead guilty on Monday. The attack at Oxford High School killed four students.

By Stephanie Saul
Oct. 21, 2022, 3:44 p.m. ET

The student accused of waging a deadly attack last year in a Michigan high school, killing four students, is expected to plead guilty on Monday to a number of felony charges, including murder and terrorism, the prosecutor in the case said on Friday.

Ethan Crumbley, now 16, is accused of using a gun that was purchased for him as an early Christmas present by his parents, who face involuntary manslaughter charges in connection with the rampage at Oxford High School in Oxford, Mich, last Nov. 30.

In addition to helping him obtain a gun, prosecutors say that the parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, ignored warning signs that their son was disturbed.

The case is unusual in several ways. If Ethan Crumbley pleads guilty on Monday as expected, he would be the first suspect in a school shooting to be found guilty of terrorism. The prosecution of his parents is also unusual, a rare instance in which parents stand accused of acts that led to a school shooting.

In a statement on Friday, David Williams, the chief assistant prosecutor for Oakland County, Mich., confirmed that Ethan Crumbley was expected to plead guilty to all 24 charges again him. He faces life in prison.

Parents of shooting victims had been notified this week that he was expected to plead guilty.



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/21/us/m ... plead.html

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[sugar magnolia]

Two hospital employees were fatally shot at a Dallas medical center on Saturday, hospital officials said.

A suspect in the deadly shooting was taken into custody after a responding officer shot and injured him, officials said.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dead-gunman-o ... d=91917260

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[raison de arizona]

Sheriff's tweets say it may be a 9-year-old that shot and killed a 10-year-old.

[Kriselda Gray]

Geeze. How do parents even talk to a kid about doing something like that - how do theymhe.p them grow up without major psychological damage? Especially in a case like the one last week where a 3 year old killed his 1 1/2 year old brother. That kid isn't going to understand what happened - he may not even really remember it.

Parents know going in they're going to have to have difficult conversations with their kids on complicated subjects, but they usually have some idea of what the topics will be (like sex, among others). It seems like more and more parents are having to figure this one out.

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

Parents who leave loaded guns (or loadable)around are the ones facing these issues.

[Slim Cognito]

I guess, when parents arrange play dates, one question will have to be, "Do you stupidly leave loaded guns lying around for the kids to find, or are you a normal person?"