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Puts me in mind of this quote from "Moby Dick" when Ishmael has to share a bed at an inn with Pacific islander shrunken head seller Queequeg-

"Better sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian."
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I used to have a weekend gig at a Planetarium where we did "Cosmic Concert" shows. On Friday nights we featured Pink Floyd and on Saturday nights we featured Country music. Friday nights all the weed smokers showed up. No fights in lines, no interruptions during the shows, they were generally quiet, well behaved, the worst thing they did was bring snacks and sometimes drop chips and such on the floors which had to be swept up. But even that was at a minimum and we didn't consider it a problem because it was pretty rare and didn't take a long time for us to sweep up the few chips we saw on the floor.

Saturday night, totally different story. All the drunks came, fights in line caused security to sometimes have to kick people out, twice we had to call police to help get the fighters out. The drunks in the crowd often started hooting and hollering and causing the rest of the guests to get irritated at their behavior. We had to be careful not to spin the stars for that crowd after the first night three drunks vomited when the star movement started. Friday nights the star spinning was a favorite part of the show and not a single weed smoker ever vomited.

I'm not disparaging people who like country music, it was the ones who would drink. I would much rather have to deal with a weed smoker than a drinker any day of the week. People on the right who want to blame everything on weed likely never encountered anybody who actually was high on weed.
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Texas mall shooting: Suspect identified by US media as 33-year-old man

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65521656
Police searched a nearby hotel where Mauricio Garcia, 33, was staying as well as a home in the city, reports say, quoting investigators.

The suspect was shot dead by a police officer who was attending a different call in the area on Saturday.

At least three injured victims remained in critical condition on Sunday.

The Associated Press news agency and other US media outlets said Garcia's identify had been confirmed by several law enforcement officials speaking anonymously about the ongoing investigation.

Police have not officially confirmed the suspect's name or details of the victims.

AP added that "multiple weapons" were found at the scene after he was killed, including a handgun and an AR-15 style rifle.

A law-enforcement source told the BBC's US partner CBS that he used an assault weapon to gun down his victims and multiple rounds of ammunition were found on his person. He was wearing armoured ballistic gear.

Investigators are combing through social media and online accounts looking for clues as to whether he may have had links to domestic violent extremists and like-minded individuals.
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What we know about the slain Texas mall massacre suspect Mauricio Garcia
Garcia had a tactical vest and was armed with a rifle of some kind as well as a handgun, one of the senior law enforcement officials said. He was identified as a suspected neo-Nazi sympathizer by authorities.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ma ... -rcna83242
The gunman who killed at least eight people and wounded a half-dozen more at a Dallas-area outlet mall was identified Sunday as a 33-year-old suspected neo-Nazi sympathizer named Mauricio Garcia, two senior law enforcement officials told NBC News.

Garcia was killed after the outbreak of deadly violence Saturday by a police officer who happened to be at the Allen Premium Outlets, some 25 miles north of Dallas, police said.

Garcia, who lived in Dallas, was armed with an "AR-15 style assault weapon," President Joe Biden said.

The slain suspect was wearing a tactical vest and was also armed with a handgun, one of the senior law enforcement officials said.

More weapons and ammunition was found in his car, the source said.

Also, the law enforcement officials said, Garcia had several social media accounts and appeared to be drawn to neo-Nazi and white supremacist content. He was also wearing, when he was killed, a patch on his chest with a right-wing acronym.
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Not a shooting but......

7 dead after car plows into a crowd in front of a Texas shelter that was housing migrants

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A driver plowed into a group outside a shelter that had been housing migrants in a Texas border town on Sunday, leaving seven people dead – including several immigrants – and close to a dozen injured, authorities say.

Authorities in Brownsville, Texas say they got a call around 8:30 am CT about a Land Rover that hit multiple people who were waiting at a bus stop across the street from the Bishop Enrique San Pedro Ozanam Center, a non-profit homeless shelter that has been helping house migrants. Authorities say it’s unclear whether the crash was intentional.

The crash left seven dead and at least ten injured, Martin Sandoval, a Brownsville police spokesperson, told CNN. Sandoval added that several migrants were among the dead and Border Patrol is working to confirm the identities of the victims.

CNN interviewed migrants staying at the center in December. At the time, the center’s director told CNN that migrants from all over the world were beginning to stay at the shelter and they were seeing an uptick in stays. The shelter is equipped to house and feed 200 people, according to its website.

Witnesses at the scene detained the driver until officers arrived, Sandoval said during a Sunday news conference. He said the driver of the vehicle received medical care and has been arrested on a reckless driving charge. “More than likely” there will be other charges added, Sandoval said.

The driver, identified as a Hispanic man, is being “uncooperative” with authorities, according to Sandoval. He has given authorities multiple names, and police have had to fingerprint him in hopes of finding his identity – which takes more time, Sandoval said.
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Authorities have not released a motive, but a patch on his chest said “RWDS,” an acronym that stands for Right Wing Death Squad, according to people familiar with the investigation. The phrase is popular among right-wing extremists, neo-Nazis and white supremacists, they said, and while there is still a great deal of evidence to analyze, and authorities have not reached any conclusions yet, investigators are approaching the shooting as a possible hate crime.
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Death toll has risen to 8 in Brownsville.
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Texas driver charged with eight counts of manslaughter in crash

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Brownsville Police Chief Felix Sauceda said during a news conference that the driver, identified as George Alvarez, 34, ran a red light, lost control of his vehicle and hit 18 people.

Responding to a question from a reporter, Sauceda said investigators have not ruled out that the crash was intentional. He also said that investigators were waiting for toxicology reports.

The driver attempted to flee the scene after impact but was held down by several bystanders, Sauceda said.

Alvarez, who was also charged with 10 counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, has an extensive criminal history, the chief said. Alvarez was being held on $3.6 million.

A video circulating online purporting to show the crash shows a speeding SUV plowing into a row of people sitting on the curb. A second video of the aftermath appears to show victims lying on the ground, some bloodied and writhing, while others lay motionless.
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Volkonski wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 12:36 pm Texas driver charged with eight counts of manslaughter in crash

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas- ... 023-05-08/
Brownsville Police Chief Felix Sauceda said during a news conference that the driver, identified as George Alvarez, 34, ran a red light, lost control of his vehicle and hit 18 people.

Responding to a question from a reporter, Sauceda said investigators have not ruled out that the crash was intentional. He also said that investigators were waiting for toxicology reports.

The driver attempted to flee the scene after impact but was held down by several bystanders, Sauceda said.

Alvarez, who was also charged with 10 counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, has an extensive criminal history, the chief said. Alvarez was being held on $3.6 million.

A video circulating online purporting to show the crash shows a speeding SUV plowing into a row of people sitting on the curb. A second video of the aftermath appears to show victims lying on the ground, some bloodied and writhing, while others lay motionless.
But not a shooting, correct?
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There's a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality.
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Took a while, but I found the Odnoklassniki profile of the Allen. TX shooter described in this NYT article:
https://ok.ru/profile/574887694166
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“A law enforcement source tells me that of the multiple weapons recovered owned by the suspect, all purchased legally. Most of them were via private sellers which means they didn't go through a federal background check. That's legal in Texas”
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Louisiana Man Shot 14-Year-Old in Back of Head as She Was Playing Hide-and-Seek


A Louisiana man was arrested after allegedly shooting his 14-year-old neighbor in the back of her head on Sunday, according to local authorities. The man told police he had “unknowingly” hit the girl after opening fire on a group of people running away from his home—kids playing hide-and-seek–as it later turned out.


If he struck her unknowingly, he wasn't in control of his weapon, was he?
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He was in control of anything resembling intelligence or discernment.

He cannot claim self Defence (but he probably will) or castle doctrine (but probably will), because it is OK to shoot children in the back of the head.

Have gun will kill


What’s the bet that some monster will claim he was justified to shoot as he feared for his life… :(
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FBI video all Americans (unfortunately) should be aware of. Run. Hide. Fight. :crying:

https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you ... -resources
As pointed out in the comments, it is interesting that the FBI video includes not only advice on how to avoid being killed by the active shooter, but also advice on how to avoid being killed by the police. Because that is a thing too.

Here's an old one from 10 years ago. Same message. Nothing will change.
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raison de arizona wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 12:59 pm FBI video all Americans (unfortunately) should be aware of. Run. Hide. Fight. :crying:
https://youtu.be/TeOdxKozra0
https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you ... -resources
As pointed out in the comments, it is interesting that the FBI video includes not only advice on how to avoid being killed by the active shooter, but also advice on how to avoid being killed by the police. Because that is a thing too.

Here's an old one from 10 years ago. Same message. Nothing will change.
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I enjoy a good Hollywood action film. I don't want to be in a real-life one. :cry:
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What's another shooting (or four) among friends and countrymen?
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch wrote: I can obviously understand the focus on mass shootings, but the scale and mundanity of ‘non-mass’ shootings in the US is truly astonishing.

And if 4 in a ~24 hour period seems like a lot (it should), there are actually an average of *316* people shot every day. Horrific.

8 children and teenagers are shot by “unintentional family fire” in the US *every day*.
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Dave from down under wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 9:16 am He was in control of anything resembling intelligence or discernment.

He cannot claim self Defence (but he probably will) or castle doctrine (but probably will), because it is OK to shoot children in the back of the head.

Have gun will kill


What’s the bet that some monster will claim he was justified to shoot as he feared for his life… :(
If the kids were black, he would probably get away with such a defense. Amazing how 'shot people in the back while they were trying to leave' can count as 'stand your ground'.
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Dave from down under wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 9:16 am What’s the bet that some monster will claim he was justified to shoot as he feared for his life… :(
I've seen people claiming it is all black people's fault since their crime ridden ways have made white people so scared of crime that they are shooting white kids by accident.
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neeneko wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 5:49 pm
Dave from down under wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 9:16 am What’s the bet that some monster will claim he was justified to shoot as he feared for his life… :(
I've seen people claiming it is all black people's fault since their crime ridden ways have made white people so scared of crime that they are shooting white kids by accident.
Well…

Given the amount of gun violence in the US, and concealed carry etc, any reasonable* person** in America should be in fear for their life if there is any one within range - and thus they are entitled to defend themselves by shooting before they are shot!!!

Once there is no more living people then that reasonable* person** will not fear for their own safety.

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Police: 2 officers shot, 3 civilians dead in shooting in Farmington

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Twelve year old pulls out an assault rifle.
12-Year-Old Charged With Murder, Accused of Killing Sonic Employee
Man gunned down after confrontation with a man who was urinating in the parking lot, police say

A 12-year-old and a 20-year-old are both facing a murder charge after a restaurant employee was gunned down during an altercation with a customer Saturday night in Keene.

Flowers and a cross now stand outside the Sonic Drive-In on Old Betsy Road in Keene. It’s a growing memorial to Matthew Davis, a 32-year-old employee and father who was shot and killed while on the job Saturday night.

According to a statement from Keene Police, the shooting happened at about 9:40 p.m. Saturday. That's when Keene Police Chief James Kidd said Davis confronted a customer, identified as 20-year-old Angel Gomez, for urinating in the parking lot.

The confrontation turned physical and a 12-year-old who was in Gomez’s car pulled out an assault rifle and fired six rounds at Davis, Kidd said.

Davis was struck multiple times and was taken by an air ambulance to a nearby hospital but he did not survive.
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Obviously the 12 year old feared for the safety of the 20 year old and was completely justified in gunning down the 32 year old.

Stand yer ground!
2A solution!
Guns make for a safer and more civil society!


All we need now is for the 12 year old to be called Kyle....
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How the heck does a 12yo child have access to a weapon and fires six (6) slugs into the now deceased victim?? Your young life is over, kiddo.

What is our children learning? Welcome to the USA.
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neonzx wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 11:17 am How the heck does a 12yo child have access to a weapon and fires six (6) slugs into the now deceased victim??
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That's because there are ignorant gun owners out there that have no business having guns that are not properly and safely stored. I've had grandchildren coming here since birth, they know we have guns in the house and that the gun case is always double padlocked but they have no idea where in this house they are stored or where the keys are. :oldlady:
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3 People Killed and 6 Injured in New Mexico Shooting
The shooter, an 18-year-old, was killed by the police, the authorities said. Two police officers were among the injured.

An 18-year-old gunman fired indiscriminately while roaming a residential street in Farmington, N.M., on Monday morning, killing three people before the police arrived and killed the suspect, the authorities said. Six other people, including two officers, were injured.

The authorities received several reports of shots fired near Dustin Avenue and Ute Street just before 11 a.m., Chief Steve Hebbe of the Farmington Police Department said in a video statement released on Monday night, adding that the rampage appeared to be “purely random.”

Chief Hebbe said that the gunman, whom he did not name, had used at least three different weapons, including an “AR-style rifle,” a gun commonly used in mass shootings, as he roamed through the neighborhood, randomly firing “at whatever entered his head to shoot at” including at least six houses and three cars.

Officers located the shooter in the 700 block of North Dustin Avenue, Chief Hebbe said, where they shot and killed him.
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