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I have been trying to pin this down. The article appeared in my local papers newsfeed. The article states that BLM.protesters attacked praying Catholics. I am finding only one video online and one broken Link for further info. I sure hope it isn't true.

https://thevillagereporter.com/praying- ... OiDcKG3mUM

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An article by the St. Louis American seems to offer the most information -

Catholics and alt-right clashed with protestors in Forest Park as activists called for removal of Louis IX statue
Saturday morning, a rally and a protest made for a clashing of faiths on Art Hill. One group demanded that its anchoring sculpture, a statue of King Louis IX, come down as a token of reconciliation against the generations of hate they feel the statue – which was erected in 1906 – represents. A collective of other groups, including individuals who said they belonged to The Catholic Church and alt-right white supremacists, stood in defense of the statue of our city’s namesake.

Over the past few weeks, statues of racist historical figures such as Christopher Columbus and Confederate soldiers have been removed – either pre-emptively by city and state governments, or by groups of protesters armed with ropes and chains – all over the world as people rise up against racism. The removals have come in the wake of George Floyd’s killing by police officer Derek Chauvin in Minneapolis on May 25 – which sparked global protests that are still underway.

Here in St. Louis, a statue of Columbus in Tower Grove Park was taken down on June 17th.

St. Louis resident Umar Lee, however, is not satisfied. Lee, a Muslim and activist, has worked alongside Moji Sidiqi to start a petition to remove all symbols of King Louis IX of France from the metropolitan area. Louis IX was the only king of France to be canonized in the Catholic church, and the city was named after him by French colonizers in 1764. Lee’s petition hinges on Louis IX’s historical antisemitism. One of the things he was canonized for was orchestrating the burning of thousands of copies of the Talmud – the Jewish holy book – and Islamophobia. He used money he had seized from Jewish moneylenders in his own kingdom to finance two brutal crusades against Muslims in Egypt and Tunisia.

On June 24th, Jim Hoft, of at the conservative blog “The Gateway Pundit,” called “all Catholic and Christian men and their allies” to gather for a prayer rally at the statue that upcoming Saturday. Rumors quickly spread on Facebook and Instagram that neo-Nazi and alt-right groups would be attending the rally.

In response, many local activists decided to take their own stand to call for the statue’s removal and to mobilize against the alt-right.
Lots more at the link. It's a long article.
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Thank you. I Googled the headline from the local rag here and nada. Only a broken Link and the same video posted around which was difficult to discern exactly what was going on.

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I just took the simple words - st. louis protest catholics statue - and googled that, then looked for articles from what appeared to be news sources, not websites with an agenda.
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MN-Skeptic wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:33 pm
I just took the simple words - st. louis protest catholics statue - and googled that, then looked for articles from what appeared to be news sources, not websites with an agenda.
Same here. I need to learn how to do this more efficiently.

Edit to add:. Oh...I added BLM because that was in the articles headline!

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Patagoniagirl wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:49 pm
MN-Skeptic wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:33 pm
I just took the simple words - st. louis protest catholics statue - and googled that, then looked for articles from what appeared to be news sources, not websites with an agenda.
Same here. I need to learn how to do this more efficiently.

Edit to add:. Oh...I added BLM because that was in the articles headline!
I think I had BLM there in my initial search, but that was on my ipad and it's harder to write a Fogbow response on my ipad so I went to my laptop and tried to recreate the search and forgot the BLM. When I added it to my search now - st. louis protest catholics statue blm - the article I ended up citing was on the first page of results. Using, or not using, quote marks can make a real difference in your results too. Also use the Tools option, then change the Any Time to a specific time period, if you get very old hits and you only want results from the past week, for example.
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Mississippi Lawmakers Vote to Retire State Flag Rooted in the Confederacy
The flag, which has flown since 1894, is poised to come down, becoming yet another emblem of the Confederacy to be removed across the South.

By Rick Rojas
June 28, 2020

JACKSON, Miss. — Mississippi lawmakers voted on Sunday to bring down, once and for all, the state flag dominated by the Confederate battle emblem that has flown for 126 years, adding a punctuation point to years of efforts to take down relics of the Confederacy across the South.

The flag, the only state banner left in the country with the overt Confederate symbol, served for many as an inescapable sign of Mississippi’s racial scars and of the consequences of that history in defining perceptions of the state.

Still embraced by many white Mississippians as a proud display of Old South heritage, the flag increasingly has come to evoke segregation, racial violence and a war that had a central aim of preserving slavery.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/28/us/m ... eracy.html

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RTH10260 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:15 am
Mississippi Lawmakers Vote to Retire State Flag Rooted in the Confederacy
The flag, which has flown since 1894, is poised to come down, becoming yet another emblem of the Confederacy to be removed across the South.

By Rick Rojas
June 28, 2020

JACKSON, Miss. — Mississippi lawmakers voted on Sunday to bring down, once and for all, the state flag dominated by the Confederate battle emblem that has flown for 126 years, adding a punctuation point to years of efforts to take down relics of the Confederacy across the South.

The flag, the only state banner left in the country with the overt Confederate symbol, served for many as an inescapable sign of Mississippi’s racial scars and of the consequences of that history in defining perceptions of the state.

Still embraced by many white Mississippians as a proud display of Old South heritage, the flag increasingly has come to evoke segregation, racial violence and a war that had a central aim of preserving slavery.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/28/us/m ... eracy.html
Sugar, you must be so happy about this! :thumbs:
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I'm cool with it except to get the bill passed, it required the new design to have "In God We Trust" added.

Dumbfucks forgot they used God to justify slavery in the first place?

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Sunrise wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:46 am
RTH10260 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:15 am
Mississippi Lawmakers Vote to Retire State Flag Rooted in the Confederacy
The flag, which has flown since 1894, is poised to come down, becoming yet another emblem of the Confederacy to be removed across the South.

By Rick Rojas
June 28, 2020

JACKSON, Miss. — Mississippi lawmakers voted on Sunday to bring down, once and for all, the state flag dominated by the Confederate battle emblem that has flown for 126 years, adding a punctuation point to years of efforts to take down relics of the Confederacy across the South.

The flag, the only state banner left in the country with the overt Confederate symbol, served for many as an inescapable sign of Mississippi’s racial scars and of the consequences of that history in defining perceptions of the state.

Still embraced by many white Mississippians as a proud display of Old South heritage, the flag increasingly has come to evoke segregation, racial violence and a war that had a central aim of preserving slavery.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/28/us/m ... eracy.html
Sugar, you must be so happy about this! :thumbs:
I am ecstatic and was much more emotional than I expected to be during the actual vote.

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neonzx wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:49 am
I'm cool with it except to get the bill passed, it required the new design to have "In God We Trust" added.

Dumbfucks forgot they used God to justify slavery in the first place?

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It's progress, but not a lot. Our state seal still has 11 stars and 11 stripes on the eagle's shield and the IGWT motto (which was only added 6 years ago) and that seems to be the direction they are leaning for the new design. We're holding out hope that the American Humanist Ass'n will step in again and sue over the motto. They forced the state to offer an alternative license plate last year because the standard tags have the state seal background with the motto on them. Ironically, the alternate tag is the "Stennis" flag. Yeah, that Stennis. It's his grand-daughter who designed the "new" flag several years ago and has been promoting it very heavily. No words on it though, and she had to change the name of it last week to the Hospitality Flag because of the backlash of having the Stennis name attached to it once it looked like we might actually be making some move towards a new flag. Well, the name and the fact that she's a piece of work herself. The committee has until Sept 14 to come up with a new design for us to vote on, and if it's a nay, we try again next year to agree on a design. Until then, we're flagless.

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First I have no opinion on Louis IX as I know nothing about him. I think its a case of everyone leaping on the "get rid of statues that offend MEEEEEEEEE" bandwagon, which is a misunderstanding of the reason Confederate statues are coming down.

Second I looked up the old MS flag last night when I heard about the decision.

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Suranis wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:32 am
First I have no opinion on Louis IX as I know nothing about him. I think its a case of everyone leaping on the "get rid of statues that offend MEEEEEEEEE" bandwagon, which is a misunderstanding of the reason Confederate statues are coming down.

Second I looked up the old MS flag last night when I heard about the decision.

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There is no such thing as THE old MS flag. We have had many, and that Magnolia flag was the State flag for less than 4 years and was not widely flown, or known, even during that short time. The uproar and subsequent legislative action had less than nothing to do with that particular flag.

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With the Bonnie Blue...but leave the tricolors on. This way Mississipians can't be confused with either Texas or Chile.......lololololol

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John Wayne Airport (Orange County CA) is being targeted to change the name. Looked around a bit and this Playboy Interview with May 1971.
SCANDAL Published 1 day ago
John Wayne’s son responds to resolution calling for John Wayne Airport to be renamed
The resolution is asking to restore the name to Orange County Airport

In a statement to Fox News on Monday, Ethan Wayne said: "Let me make one thing clear -- John Wayne was not a racist. I know that term is casually tossed around these days, but I take it very seriously. I also understand how we got to this point. "There is no question that the words spoken by John Wayne in an interview 50 years ago have caused pain and anger," Ethan continued, referencing the late actor’s 1971 interview with Playboy. "They pained him as well, as he realized his true feelings were wrongly conveyed."

In the interview at the time, Wayne is quoted saying, “I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.” He also said he felt no remorse for the subjugation of Native Americans and called movies such as “Easy Rider” and “Midnight Cowboy” perverted.

Ethan, who is Wayne's youngest son and president of John Wayne Enterprises, went on to say in his statement on Monday: "The truth is, as we have seen in papers from his archives, he did not support 'white supremacy' in any way and believed that responsible people should gain power without the use of violence.

"Those who knew him, knew he judged everyone as an individual and believed everyone deserved an equal opportunity," Ethan added. "He called out bigotry when he saw it. He hired and worked with people of all races, creeds, and sexual orientations. John Wayne stood for the very best for all of us -- a society that doesn’t discriminate against anyone seeking the American dream." Ethan said that it "would be an injustice to judge him based on a single interview, as opposed to the full picture of who he was."

There's a lot more at the link, it's a wild interview. Even in 1971 it was all the liberal's fault! Communists and Socialists too!
WAYNE: Just this: The articulate liberal group has caused certain things in our country, and I wonder how long the young people who read Playboy are going to allow these things to go on. George Putnam, the Los Angeles news analyst, put it quite succinctly when he said, "What kind of a nation is it that fails to understand that freedom of speech and assembly are one thing, and anarchy and treason are quite another, that allows known Communists to serve as teachers to pervert the natural loyalties and ideals of our kids, filling them with fear and doubt and hate and down-grading patriotism and all our heroes of the past?"

PLAYBOY: You blame all this on liberals? WAYNE: Well, the liberals seem to be quite willing to have Communists teach their kids in school. The Communists realized that they couldn't start a workers' revolution in the United States, since the workers were too affluent and too progressive. So the Commies decided on the next-best thing, and that's to start on the schools, start on the kids. And they've managed to do it. They're already in colleges; now they're getting into high schools. I wouldn't mind if they taught my children the basic philosophy of communism, in theory and how it works in actuality. But I don't want somebody like Angela Davis inculcating an enemy doctrine in my kids' minds.

PLAYBOY: Angela Davis claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she's black. Do you think there's any truth in that? WAYNE: With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.

PLAYBOY: Are you equipped to judge which blacks are irresponsible and which of their leaders inexperienced? WAYNE: It's not my judgment. The academic community has developed certain tests that determine whether the blacks are sufficiently equipped scholastically. But some blacks have tried to force the issue and enter college when they haven't passed the tests and don't have the requisite background. PLAYBOY: How do they get that background? WAYNE: By going to school. I don't know why people insist that blacks have been forbidden their right to go to school. They were allowed in public schools wherever I've been. Even if they don't have the proper credentials for college, there are courses to help them become eligible. But if they aren't academically ready for that step, I don't think they should be allowed in. Otherwise, the academic society is brought down to the lowest common denominator.

PLAYBOY: But isn't it true that we're never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups? WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven't learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don't feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I'm not condoning slavery. It's just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can't play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they'd tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.

PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures? WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I've directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in TheGreen Berets. If it's supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don't go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There's no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren't Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can't always be that way. There isn't necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven't trained themselves for that type of work.

PLAYBOY: Can blacks be integrated into the film industry if they are denied training and education? WAYNE: It's just as hard for a white man to get a card in the Hollywood craft unions.

PLAYBOY: That's hardly the point, but let's change the subject. For years American Indians have played an important—if subordinate—role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them? WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.

PLAYBOY: Weren't the Indians—by virtue of prior possession—the rightful owners of the land? WAYNE: Look, I'm sure there have been inequalities. If those inequalities are presently affecting any of the Indians now alive, they have a right to a court hearing. But what happened 100 years ago in our country can't be blamed on us today. PLAYBOY: Indians today are still being dehumanized on reservations. WAYNE: I'm quite sure that the concept of a government-run reservation would have an ill effect on anyone. But that seems to be what the socialists are working for now—to have everyone cared for from cradle to grave.
https://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Wild_ ... y_Int2.pdf

Gee, it sure is right down the middle :lol: Bookmark it for a weekend read, it's reflective of how different things were and how much progress has happened (slowly, but forward).
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Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
I've never forgotten this quotation nor will I ever forgive Wayne for it. Truly ignorant.

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pipistrelle wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:49 am
Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
I've never forgotten this quotation nor will I ever forgive Wayne for it. Truly ignorant.
It reminds me of the folks who say they are a conquered people and need to get over it. Of course, some of those people are neo-confederates who do not see the irony that they are a conquered people who can't get over it.
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They got rid of the indian, but kept the land.

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Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:32 am
Well, the name and the fact that [Laurin Stennis is] a piece of work herself.
Are you comfortable saying more? All that I've learned about her from articles about her flag design is that she "took her politics more from her father, a Princeton graduate who quoted philosopher Albert Camus and publicly broke with the elder Stennis on issues of race." (quoting a Jan. 20, 2019 Washington Post article)

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chancery wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:59 pm
Sugar Magnolia wrote:
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Well, the name and the fact that [Laurin Stennis is] a piece of work herself.
Are you comfortable saying more? All that I've learned about her from articles about her flag design is that she "took her politics more from her father, a Princeton graduate who quoted philosopher Albert Camus and publicly broke with the elder Stennis on issues of race." (quoting a Jan. 20, 2019 Washington Post article)
Hi chancery!
Who knows what her real thoughts are? She has said what she needed to say for the last 6 years to promote her flag design (and make more sales.) None of it was ever on racial issues in face to face conversations.

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Chilidog wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:54 pm
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Land-O-Lakes butter

They got rid of the indian, but kept the land.
Ouch.
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RoadScholar wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:42 pm
Chilidog wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:54 pm
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Land-O-Lakes butter

They got rid of the indian, but kept the land.
Ouch.
The odd thing is the imagery and name evoke Minnesota, but it’s from California milk. :think:

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Chilidog wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:54 pm
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Land-O-Lakes butter

They got rid of the indian, but kept the land.
What's interesting is they did this back in April.
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Chilidog wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:54 pm
:snippity:

Land-O-Lakes butter

They got rid of the indian, but kept the land.
Not all Ojibwe people agree that the picture, from an Ojibwe artist, should be removed. I posted this article awhile back.
“Basically, it was giving the previous generation a sense of almost empowerment to see a Native woman on a box of butter. It gave them a sense of cultural pride,” he said. “After seeing those posts, I said, ‘that’s right, that’s why my dad created this image to begin with’.”

The design, besides Mia, shows a lake with two points of land that Robert DesJarlait said represented Red Lake and an area on the reservation known as the Narrows, where lower and upper Red Lake meet. Another homage, one that is hard to see on the products, on Mia’s dress are Ojibwe floral design patterns.

“My father was working it both ways - he was strengthening the Land O’Lakes name by placing Mia at the lake and he was integrating a deeper Ojibwe connection to the environment in which they lived. Trees and lakes are part of our identity. As such, his art, and Mia, was a visual reminder of our connection to our homelands,” Robert DesJarlait said in a Facebook post.
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