RVInit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:43 pm
Her story brings back bad memories. In my case, my father's friend came to the house, saw the piano and that was his opening. He and his wife just happen to be musicians. And when he found out which daughter plays the piano it became all about how he and his wife would love to get together with me to play music (at THEIR house of course). So, now I have my father pressuring me to go to the man's house. He's all proud that he has a daughter talented enough to play music with adults! The man who showed up the day after my father invited him over and oh, just happened to be "too early" and my parents weren't home yet, and yeah, your father is expecting me, so of course I let him in.
Victim blamers are the first ones to wonder why you didn't say anything for 20. Fucking. Years.
I'm so sorry. This trial is raising memories for victims.
You are loved and cared about, my friend.
I may have to stay off Twitter for a while. This is not good for me.
There's a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality.
--Colin Kaepernick
My sweet Sprout met a young lady, 17, at one of his shows. The were instantly smitten but he was so worried that he would be an abuser if they started dating then. So they agreed to wait.
She turned 18 in July. They haven’t been apart since.
RVInit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:43 pm
Her story brings back bad memories. In my case, my father's friend came to the house, saw the piano and that was his opening. He and his wife just happen to be musicians. And when he found out which daughter plays the piano it became all about how he and his wife would love to get together with me to play music (at THEIR house of course). So, now I have my father pressuring me to go to the man's house. He's all proud that he has a daughter talented enough to play music with adults! The man who showed up the day after my father invited him over and oh, just happened to be "too early" and my parents weren't home yet, and yeah, your father is expecting me, so of course I let him in.
Victim blamers are the first ones to wonder why you didn't say anything for 20. Fucking. Years.
Yep. Never told anyone about my uncle, even my husband, until both my parents were dead. That's fourteen years ago, twenty years after the creep died.
"Choose your leaders with wisdom and forethought. To be led by a coward is to be controlled by all that the coward fears… To be led by a liar is to ask to be told lies." -Octavia E. Butler
RVInit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:43 pm
Her story brings back bad memories. In my case, my father's friend came to the house, saw the piano and that was his opening. He and his wife just happen to be musicians. And when he found out which daughter plays the piano it became all about how he and his wife would love to get together with me to play music (at THEIR house of course). So, now I have my father pressuring me to go to the man's house. He's all proud that he has a daughter talented enough to play music with adults! The man who showed up the day after my father invited him over and oh, just happened to be "too early" and my parents weren't home yet, and yeah, your father is expecting me, so of course I let him in.
Victim blamers are the first ones to wonder why you didn't say anything for 20. Fucking. Years.
Yep. Never told anyone about my uncle, even my husband, until both my parents were dead. That's fourteen years ago, twenty years after the creep died.
There's a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality.
--Colin Kaepernick
RVInit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:43 pm
Her story brings back bad memories. In my case, my father's friend came to the house, saw the piano and that was his opening. He and his wife just happen to be musicians. And when he found out which daughter plays the piano it became all about how he and his wife would love to get together with me to play music (at THEIR house of course). So, now I have my father pressuring me to go to the man's house. He's all proud that he has a daughter talented enough to play music with adults! The man who showed up the day after my father invited him over and oh, just happened to be "too early" and my parents weren't home yet, and yeah, your father is expecting me, so of course I let him in.
Victim blamers are the first ones to wonder why you didn't say anything for 20. Fucking. Years.
Yep. Never told anyone about my uncle, even my husband, until both my parents were dead. That's fourteen years ago, twenty years after the creep died.
You are loved and cared for, friend.
"The jungle is no place for a cellist."
From "Take the Money and Run"
LM K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:45 pm
Defense atty just gave victim's sisters name.
The doxxing is already starting.
WTAF?
Right!! This question was asked in the first 3 mins of cross exam.
There are a lot of QAnon and rwnjs trolling twitter hoping to confirm their conspiracy theories and/or hate about gov, other Epstein friends, etc. They are already working on this.
"The jungle is no place for a cellist."
From "Take the Money and Run"
So, with how many men did this victim testify to having been coerced to engage in abusive behavior, and did she name anyone other than Maxwell and Epstein?
It seems like there are many people who come from families where love and support are constantly demonstrated to the point where, if a young person from that family is molested, they know for a fact that they can tell their parents what happened, completely confident they won't be blamed or shamed. Elizabeth Smart came from such a family. And that is why on the day she came home she was able to tell her parents she was sexually molested every single day since she was kidnapped. And she was also able to tell the whole world her story, writing a book about it. It didn't take her 20 or 45 years to be able to tell someone this dark and horrible secret. The key to understanding why she could do that? Re-read the first sentence. She came from a family that openly demonstrated to her that they love and support her.
People like Epstein and Maxwell don't victimize those kind of people. They victimized the young people that come from families that don't openly show their love and support. Those kind of children have doubts about what will happen to them if they tell. They "know" they will be blamed and shamed. They "know" they will not be believed. And that is why they keep it to themselves.
Even today I only have about 75% confidence that had I told my father what happened that he would have completely supported and not blamed me or made me feel like I had done something to cause this to happen. My father was not a bad person, and my mother is not a bad person. But my mother hugged me for the first time when I was 18 years old. Not because she was a bad person. Both my parents came from cold families. I never witnessed any displays of warmth or caring from either of their families. They never received it and they never learned to give it. It doesn't mean they didn't feel it. It doesn't mean they didn't love and support me. They just didn't know how to display it. And as a teenager you don't understand these nuances. You only know that you haven't felt warm, secure, and completely safe in your parent's care and confidence. And so, when something like this happens, of course you have doubts that they will support you. And you don't tell anyone because of those doubts.
Those of you who clearly can't understand that are lucky. Obviously you come from the kind of family that Elizabeth Smart comes from. And Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell would have smelled that from miles away and not taken any chances with molesting you. Because they would have known you would be like Elizabeth Smart, confident that you could tell your parents without them shaming and blaming you.
There's a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality.
--Colin Kaepernick
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:24 pm
So, with how many men did this victim testify to having been coerced to engage in abusive behavior, and did she name anyone other than Maxwell and Epstein?
Only Epstein and Maxwell.
Prosecutors decided to not bring up charges against Prince Andrew.
I don't expect the names of those other than Epstein and Maxwell to be mentioned except in passing. Jane said that Epstein and Maxwell bragged about knowing certain famous people, some of whom she named, but they did so to impress her.
"The jungle is no place for a cellist."
From "Take the Money and Run"
RVInit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:43 pm
Her story brings back bad memories.
"Mickey Mouse and I grew up together." - Ruthie Tompson, Disney animation checker and scene planner and one of the first women to become a member of the International Photographers Union in 1952.
LM K wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:04 am
I don't expect the names of those other than Epstein and Maxwell to be mentioned except in passing.
That strikes me as a little odd. Given that Maxwell is on trial for trafficking, then one might think that all instances of trafficking would be pretty relevant to securing a conviction.
I am interested in this "decision" not to prosecute Prince Andrew. Is there any info on who/when/how this decision was made?
LM K wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:04 am
I don't expect the names of those other than Epstein and Maxwell to be mentioned except in passing.
That strikes me as a little odd. Given that Maxwell is on trial for trafficking, then one might think that all instances of trafficking would be pretty relevant to securing a conviction.
I am interested in this "decision" not to prosecute Prince Andrew. Is there any info on who/when/how this decision was made?
Relevant, perhaps, but not necessary. Every count in the indictment relating to enticement of a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex alleges that the illegal sex was with Epstein. I think the government only has to prove that the purpose of the travel was sex with Epstein, even if some of the victims also had sex with others.
"Hey! We left this England place because it was bogus, and if we don't get some cool rules ourselves, pronto, we'll just be bogus too!" -- Thomas Jefferson
for all of us.
