Coronavirus One Year, And More, Later

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

Question:

Should someone who had covid get vaccinated?

Hubby's brother says he had covid and is against vaccinations (although he himself is a scientist). We learned this after brother visited their mother, age 90, who has terminal breast cancer with an open tumor on the outside of her chest area.

Should Hubby require brother to mask up when visiting Mom? Any research on covid repeating itself in individuals who have had it?

Thank you!

[bill_g]

AFAIK, people that have had covid will benefit from the vax. It gives them better immunity.

Mister requiring Brother to mask up is an entirely different matter. It's probably slightly less dangerous than standing in front of trains.

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

AFAIK, people that have had covid will benefit from the vax. It gives them better immunity.

Mister requiring Brother to mask up is an entirely different matter. It's probably slightly less dangerous than standing in front of trains.

That is an understatement. Brother is narcissistic, fundamentalist, "good Christian" who has visited mom twice for less than 10 hours each visit.

[bill_g]

AFAIK, people that have had covid will benefit from the vax. It gives them better immunity.

Mister requiring Brother to mask up is an entirely different matter. It's probably slightly less dangerous than standing in front of trains.

That is an understatement. Brother is narcissistic, fundamentalist, "good Christian" who has visited mom twice for less than 10 hours each visit.

Then at this point it is probably pointless to try to stop him. Hopefully Mister won't let it eat him up. I think he's going to have to be the willow, and bend to the wind. But you get to stand out of the way of Hurricane Hubby if it developes. Ugh.

[W. Kevin Vicklund]

Question:

Should someone who had covid get vaccinated?

Hubby's brother says he had covid and is against vaccinations (although he himself is a scientist). We learned this after brother visited their mother, age 90, who has terminal breast cancer with an open tumor on the outside of her chest area.

Should Hubby require brother to mask up when visiting Mom? Any research on covid repeating itself in individuals who have had it?

Thank you!

Yes. Natural immunity wanes faster than vaccine-derived immunity, at least for the first 6 months, and a single vaccination can boost immunity by 50% in someone who previously had Covid.

[sugar magnolia]

Question:

Should someone who had covid get vaccinated?

Hubby's brother says he had covid and is against vaccinations (although he himself is a scientist). We learned this after brother visited their mother, age 90, who has terminal breast cancer with an open tumor on the outside of her chest area.

Should Hubby require brother to mask up when visiting Mom? Any research on covid repeating itself in individuals who have had it?

Thank you!

Easy enough to get antibody level from a simple blood test. According to my docs, anything over 250 is good. Below that needs a vax.

And do you even know for sure he had it, or is he just saying that to be obstinate?

[p0rtia]

Everyone should wear a mask when visiting folks such as the woman you describe. Vaxxed or unvaxxed. As a precautionary measure.

Done.

[MN-Skeptic]

As an alternative, have Hubby's brother get a good Covid test kit (such as BinaxNOW) and test himself before he sees his mother.

As we move into the Thanksgiving / Christmas seasons, I may be seeing more relatives. I now have a couple of test kits (2 test per kit) and I plan on testing myself before I see these relatives. I do NOT want to be responsible for spreading Covid if I happen to have a breakthrough asymptomatic case.

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

Thanks, everyone. Hubby is the most diplomatic, empathetic person evah. He has power of attorney and is primary caretaker of his mom. She told me she feels safe with him.

I will pass info along to him.

[Uninformed]

… She told me she feels safe with him…

That is so special.

[Lani]

I personally know 2 people who had covid, both hospitalized, and one was intubated for 3 weeks. 3 months later neither of them had antibodies. Both of them now tell people about their experiences and strongly encourage everyone to get vaccinated. One asks people what scares them about the vaccine, and then tells them what was scary for him - being told he was being sedated so he can be intubated. He thought that was the last few minutes of his life.

[tek]

too also, IIRC you can still carry the virus even if you have immunity.

But I'm not an immunologist or a congressman.

[AndyinPA]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... erference/

The Trump administration repeatedly interfered with efforts by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last year to issue warnings and guidance about the evolving coronavirus pandemic, six current and former health officials told congressional investigators in recent interviews.

One of those officials, former CDC senior health expert Nancy Messonnier, warned in a Feb. 25, 2020, news briefing that the virus’s spread in the United States was inevitable — a statement that prompted anger from President Donald Trump and led to the agency’s media appearances being curtailed, according to interview excerpts and other documents released Friday by the House select subcommittee on the pandemic.

The new information, including statements from former White House coronavirus coordinator Deborah Birx, confirms prior reporting and offers additional detail on how the pandemic response unfolded at the highest levels of government.

“Our intention was certainly to get the public’s attention about the likelihood … that it was going to spread and that we thought that there was a high risk that it would be disruptive,” Messonnier told the panel in an Oct. 8 interview. But her public warning led to private reprimands, including from then-Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, she said



The officials also corroborated that Trump appointees pressured the agency to change its regular research papers, the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports, to better align with the White House’s more optimistic messaging about the state of the virus.

The panel separately released emails that detailed how White House officials sought to shape CDC guidance on how meatpacking plants and faith groups should take precautions when responding to the virus.

No big surprises here, but it's a free Washington Post article.

[AndyinPA]

https://www.axios.com/omicron-coronavir ... f6760.html

New data from South Africa and Europe hint that Omicron cases are poised to explode in the U.S., where the vast majority of the population isn't well protected against infection.

Driving the news: A new analysis by South Africa's largest private insurer paints a picture of Omicron's clinical risk: Two doses of Pfizer's vaccine appear to be significantly less effective against severe disease with Omicron than previous variants.

But the variant is less likely to lead to hospitalization in adults than the original version.

What they're saying: "Everything points to a large wave. A large wave is coming," a senior Biden administration official told Axios.

Here we go again.

[Lani]

https://www.axios.com/omicron-coronavir ... f6760.html

New data from South Africa and Europe hint that Omicron cases are poised to explode in the U.S., where the vast majority of the population isn't well protected against infection.

Here we go again.

Yeah, I've been watching it spread across the world and the rising cases in the NE US. (I need a different hobby )

Now cases are up 122% in Hawaii, so it's here and will be rapidly rising.

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[AndyinPA]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... 5-million/

The coronavirus pandemic led to nearly 15 million excess deaths worldwide, according to a new estimate by the World Health Organization, including people who died from covid-19 and others who died from indirect causes such as health care shortages as the virus surged and overwhelmed hospitals.

The WHO defines excess deaths as “the difference between the number of deaths that have occurred and the number that would be expected in the absence of the pandemic based on data from earlier years.”

Most of the excess deaths during the first two years of the pandemic were concentrated in Southeast Asia, Europe, and the Americas, the WHO said in a news release. More than two-thirds occurred in just 10 countries.

“These sobering data not only point to the impact of the pandemic but also to the need for all countries to invest in more resilient health systems that can sustain essential health services during crises, including stronger health information systems,” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO Director General said in a statement.