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But Biden voters would be biased, right? Right? The mountain of evidence against the client didn't play a role, right?
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Not many voted in the Republican primary, apparently.
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Shirley there was a conspiracy To Steal The Votes :twisted:
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noblepa wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:41 am
northland10 wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:54 pm
But but but the constitution says a jury of your peers not the court where the crime was committed.

Oh wait.. I guess the defense does not get past the 2nd amendment to realize what the 6th says.
Actually, the Constitution says exactly that:
US Constitution wrote: The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of
Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial
shall be held in the State where the said Crimes
shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at
such Place or Places as the Congress may by
Law have directed.
I was being sarcastic in my first statement.

Point taken that they not only didn't get past the 2nd amendment to the 6th (below) but they also skipped over the 3rd article.
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
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What "evidence" did 'Bigo' Barnett submit to the court in his defense? :confuzzled:
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noblepa wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:41 am
northland10 wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:54 pm
But but but the constitution says a jury of your peers not the court where the crime was committed.

Oh wait.. I guess the defense does not get past the 2nd amendment to realize what the 6th says.
Actually, the Constitution says exactly that:
US Constitution wrote: The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of
Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial
shall be held in the State where the said Crimes
shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at
such Place or Places as the Congress may by
Law have directed.
"Sixth Amendment

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."
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realist wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:48 am "Sixth Amendment...
Sorry, what part of the fourth Amendment is the Sixth Amendment?
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Suranis wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:50 am
realist wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:48 am "Sixth Amendment...
Sorry, what part of the fourth Amendment is the Sixth Amendment?
What sort of a question is that? Idiotic comes to mind.
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realist wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:24 am
Suranis wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:50 am
realist wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:48 am "Sixth Amendment...
Sorry, what part of the fourth Amendment is the Sixth Amendment?
What sort of a question is that? Idiotic comes to mind.
But but but theres the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment and the fourth amendment. There aren't any other amendments. Oh ya and the fifth Amendment. Gotta plead that...
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Suranis wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:27 am
realist wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:24 am
Suranis wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:50 am

Sorry, what part of the fourth Amendment is the Sixth Amendment?
What sort of a question is that? Idiotic comes to mind.
But but but theres the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment and the fourth amendment. There aren't any other amendments. Oh ya and the fifth Amendment. Gotta plead that...
Took me a minute and had to read that a couple times but I think I understand what you were saying now.
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Here's what police saw -- and listened to -- while facing the mob on Jan 6

From newly released video trial exhibit from US Justice Dept ===>


Very touristy.



NEW: Court unseals Capitol riot case against Robert Degregoris of Aldie, Virginia... who's accused of effort to push ladder against the police line.... and is allegedly shown in these images amid the mob in tunnel area
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Attorney for ‘Bigo’ Barnett, convicted after putting his feet up on Pelosi’s desk on J6, says his client was innocent because “he was pushed in” by “the surge” and he “fell in” to the Capitol, before he somehow “ended up in Speaker Pelosi’s offices.”
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Kendra wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:38 pm
Attorney for ‘Bigo’ Barnett, convicted after putting his feet up on Pelosi’s desk on J6, says his client was innocent because “he was pushed in” by “the surge” and he “fell in” to the Capitol, before he somehow “ended up in Speaker Pelosi’s offices.”
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Carried away in the moment, our President Trump made him do it, etc., etc. The one defense they have is sad, and it's not just a DC jury that ain't buying it.
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Kendra wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:38 pm
Attorney for ‘Bigo’ Barnett, convicted after putting his feet up on Pelosi’s desk on J6, says his client was innocent because “he was pushed in” by “the surge” and he “fell in” to the Capitol, before he somehow “ended up in Speaker Pelosi’s offices.”
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that what the lawyer said about being pushed in or whatever is true. In fact, let’s say that an out-of-control mob pushed him all the way to Pelosi’s office and forced him to do whatever he did there at gunpoint.

So what? The jury has spoken. His “innocence” has already been decided, and so long as there is enough evidence that any reasonable jury could use to convict (an almost impossibly high standard), the only thing the appellate court can rule on is whether he got a fair trial.

I mean, I get it. The lawyer feels like he has to say this shit. But the same people who believe the Big Lie hear this crap and believe it. It’s annoying af.
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"Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?"
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Maybenaut wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:08 pm So what? The jury has spoken. His “innocence” has already been decided, and so long as there is enough evidence that any reasonable jury could use to convict (an almost impossibly high standard), the only thing the appellate court can rule on is whether he got a fair trial.
That's covered in "they're all Biden voters!"
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Kendra wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:38 pm https ://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1618377001009819649
Attorney for ‘Bigo’ Barnett, convicted after putting his feet up on Pelosi’s desk on J6, says his client was innocent because “he was pushed in” by “the surge” and he “fell in” to the Capitol, before he somehow “ended up in Speaker Pelosi’s offices.”
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My 8th grade English class short story was a science fiction about a guy who leaves his apartment without his normal protective gear. While he is out, loud speakers begin to warn about an acid rain shower coming up. The crowded streets begin to surge towards cover, he is pushed along by the crowd into a subway station, down onto a platform, and pushed into a train. The train runs for an hour and emerges from the subway tube onto a roll-on/roll-off ferry. He has had no control of where he is or escape path, but now the ship is big enough that people can get out and walk around a bit. The rain has stopped but now people are having trouble breathing. Pollution has killed off all the plankton in the sea and the oxygen levels have been dropping for years - now its serious. Eventually everybody dies.

I got top marks, but the teacher wanted me to change the ending.
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Maybenaut wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:08 pm
Kendra wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:38 pm
Attorney for ‘Bigo’ Barnett, convicted after putting his feet up on Pelosi’s desk on J6, says his client was innocent because “he was pushed in” by “the surge” and he “fell in” to the Capitol, before he somehow “ended up in Speaker Pelosi’s offices.”
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that what the lawyer said about being pushed in or whatever is true. In fact, let’s say that an out-of-control mob pushed him all the way to Pelosi’s office and forced him to do whatever he did there at gunpoint.

So what? The jury has spoken. His “innocence” has already been decided, and so long as there is enough evidence that any reasonable jury could use to convict (an almost impossibly high standard), the only thing the appellate court can rule on is whether he got a fair trial.

I mean, I get it. The lawyer feels like he has to say this shit. But the same people who believe the Big Lie hear this crap and believe it. It’s annoying af.
IANAL, but I believe that, if the judge disallowed the introduction of evidence by the defense, that might be grounds for an appeal; that the jury didn't get to see what the defense believes to be exculpatory evidence. But, absent juror misconduct, you generally can't appeal on the grounds that "the jury got it wrong".
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Great story, keith! :biggrin:
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Maybenaut wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:08 pm I mean, I get it. The lawyer feels like he has to say this shit. But the same people who believe the Big Lie hear this crap and believe it. It’s annoying af.
I don't know why they have to say anything. Appeal away but whining about how unfair the jury was doesn't seem to fall within doing your legal best for your client.
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pipistrelle wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:59 am
Maybenaut wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:08 pm I mean, I get it. The lawyer feels like he has to say this shit. But the same people who believe the Big Lie hear this crap and believe it. It’s annoying af.
I don't know why they have to say anything. Appeal away but whining about how unfair the jury was doesn't seem to fall within doing your legal best for your client.
Oh, I quite agree. I’m making an assumption that the lawyer is being paid through some legal defense fund, and keeping his client’s story ns the public is what drives donations. But it also fuels the Big Lie.
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noblepa wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:54 am
IANAL, but I believe that, if the judge disallowed the introduction of evidence by the defense, that might be grounds for an appeal; that the jury didn't get to see what the defense believes to be exculpatory evidence. But, absent juror misconduct, you generally can't appeal on the grounds that "the jury got it wrong".
That’s it exactly.
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Initial court appearance happens shortly in newly filed US Capitol riot case of Dodge Hellonen, one of three newly-arrested US Marines accused of being amid the mob

Hellonen allegedly carried "Don't Tread on Me" flag while inside for nearly an hour

More: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 17.1.1.pdf
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@MacFarlaneNews
US Marine Dodge Hellonen is facing the judge in DC right now in newly filed US Capitol riot case

Hellonen tells judge he currently lives inside a barracks room at Camp Lejeune & is prohibited from having personally-owned guns inside barracks.. as judge crafts release conditions
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