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noblepa wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:29 pm Has there ever been a SCOTUS (or even a Federal District or Appeals) decision that can be similarly misinterpreted by those who want to believe dual-citizenship disqualifies one as a NBC?
Birthers are long on Vattel and the Federalist Papers because there's no court cases to support their beliefs, and there are court cases that have rejected them.

Apuzzo used to misread this World-War-II era district-court case about naturalized Germans (that is, literal Nazis) to create the fiction that citizenship requires undivided allegiance.
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P&E: Enforcing the Natural Born Citizen Clause]Enforcing the Natural Born Citizen Clause:
A2 Guardian wrote:If you defund the police, any sane person would rationally conclude that crime will increase. As many municipalities in recent years have enacted anarchistic public policies reducing police budgets, the police have been the first to acknowledge the devastating rise in violence and crime.

* * *

More and more Americans are waking up to the reality that the government at all levels is not only abdicating its responsibility to enforce the laws, but is actively working to subvert them. Consequently, the electorate no longer finds it unfathomable for a corrupt body politic to not only allow ballot access for ineligible candidates, but to overtly conspire in the treasonous usurpation of the Office of the President of the United States.

So, as we celebrate Constitution Day, let us take pause and heed the wise counsel of the late Dr. Herb Titus in this lecture on the importance of our President being a Natural Born Citizen.
Who knew it was the U.S. Constitution for the United States of Herb Titus? :roll:

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P&E: Montgomery “Declaration” at Odds with the Facts:
As The Post & Email reported Wednesday, on August 20, 2022, attorneys for MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell filed a Motion to Intervene with the U.S. District Court for the District of Nevada in a 2006 lawsuit in which the U.S. government, in the person of then-Director of National Intelligence (DNI) John Negroponte, invoked a Protective Order and the State Secrets Privilege over information it considered vital to “national security.”

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The litigation in which Lindell seeks to intervene, Montgomery, et al v. eTreppid, et al, arose in 2006 after Montgomery sued his business partner, Warren Trepp, following Montgomery’s abrupt departure from eTreppid Technologies, LLC, the company they formed in September 1998. Submitted with Lindell’s Motion to Intervene was a 194-page “Declaration” authored by Montgomery, excerpts from which were read aloud by Lindell attorney Kurt Olsen in between Lindell’s soliloquies at the Summit.
The remainder is Rondeau's chronicling Montgomery's inconsistent statements. :thumbsup: My fave:
On page 6 of the Declaration filed with the court, Montgomery wrote about a 2013 interview he had with then-Fox News reporter Carl Cameron after claiming he possessed evidence of illegal government surveillance, a claim he has made for years yet never substantiated.
Rondeau goes on to explain Cameron never interviewed Montgomery, as shown by their lengthy email exchanged disclosed during ... Arpaio's trial. :dance:

There's this whopper:
In the Declaration, Montgomery claimed the MCSO contacted him about “surveillance of Maricopa residents, businesses, and the state election networks,” a claim Zullo has refuted and which the record plainly shows is not in evidence.
Which is "odd" because Zullo & Gallups lurved to say there was evidence (presumably from Montgomery) of interference in the 2012 election.

Vintage Rondeau:
A second session [with FOX], Montgomery claimed, involved a “film crew” which allegedly “recorded election network vulnerabilities in various Secretary of State election networks, specifically in Florida, Georgia, Arizona, and others. The filming was done by Robert Shaffer, Foxnews field producer, Seattle, WA.”

The Post & Email was able to verify that during the last decade, a “Robert Shaffer” covered the Northwest for Fox News, with his latest article appearing to have been published on May 2, 2016. Shaffer has a LinkedIn profile but has not posted there for some time. After finding evidence Shaffer relocated to New York City, The Post & Email attempted to contact him but was told by a Fox News operator that absent an extension number, she was unable to find him in a company directory.
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Twitter cancelled Gallups, but Gallups couldn't stay away, so he took over the @PPSIMMONS account.



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bob wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:23 am Twitter cancelled Gallups, but Gallups couldn't stay away, so he took over the @PPSIMMONS account.
Which was always him all along
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:lol: Gallups blocked me on his personal account but just checked and not on that account. Sooooo, willing to take one for the team and go out in a blaze of glory. What would be a great answer to that tweet or another? Consensus wins and will post it. 8-) Or can stay undercover.
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"Those who defy God's teachings, lecture you about them."

But Gallups would agree with sentiment, and not reflect inward.
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bob wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:52 am "Those who defy God's teachings, lecture you about them."

But Gallups would agree with sentiment, and not reflect inward.
These people remind me of what I remember of the Knight Templar in Scott's Ivanhoe — underneath the Christian facade he's atheist (but at least he mostly admits he's a villain).
Edit: Not that atheists are villains, but the Knight Templar is a hypocrite of sorts.
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2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 4 So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
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Who would have thought he would predict Q. :biggrin:
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Didn't know exactly where to put this.

The old-timers here will understand the reference.

I just read Motion Hearing where the moving party was asking the court to issue letters rogatory. Really!! :biggrin:

It was denined.
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:rotflmao: Good times! :dance:
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realist wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:13 pm Didn't know exactly where to put this.

The old-timers here will understand the reference.

I just read Motion Hearing where the moving party was asking the court to issue letters rogatory. Really!! :biggrin:

It was denined.
If newbies do a search for letters rogatory and "birthers" Orly's site is among the few hits. :mrgreen:

Just don't click and read about her being denined.
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I would suggest doing a search where it is safe, at OldBow.

The danger of reading about her being denied still exists there.

https://formerly.thefogbow.com/forum/se ... mit=Search
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🎶 Oh, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.
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Out from under. :thumbsup:
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Cool story, bro. :roll:
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P&E: What is “Operation Checkmate?”:
As an extension to an established biographical website, former government subcontractor Dennis Montgomery has established a dedicated new page to an endeavor titled, “Operation Checkmate.”

As per its url, the site appears to be hosted by internet radio host Peter Santilli and opens to yet another WordPress website, operationcheckmate.net, subtitled, “The Facts & Truth About Dennis Montgomery.”

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Santilli appears to have become an advocate and spokesman for Montgomery, as evidenced by the “Contact Us” page containing his name and those of two other broadcasters of a show called, “The Big Mig.” Santilli is also an associate of MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, whose attorneys on August 20 filed a Motion to Intervene in a federal case Montgomery had brought against his onetime business partner, Warren Trepp, in 2006.

On Monday, September 26, The Post & Email contacted Santilli and the two associates listed on “Operation Checkmate” to ask how Santilli came to host the website. Our email reads:
Rondeau wrote:
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Having received no response, on Wednesday we contacted Santilli at the email address posted on Operation Checkmate:
Rondeau wrote:
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We then sent an email correcting “Monday, October 1” to “Monday, October 3.”

On Thursday, we received the following response:
Santilli wrote:
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During his Thursday edition of “The Pete Santilli Show,” Santilli indicated to associate Lance Migliaccio that he viewed The Post & Email not only as “the mainstream media,” but also as part of an “operation that’s been going on for years now to demonize and attack the messenger known as Dennis Montgomery.”

Migliaccio responded, “I don’t know if they’re mainstream or not,” then challenged many of our assertions.

On Friday night, we sent Santilli the following:
Rondeau wrote:
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Late Monday night, we recontacted Santilli to ascertain his permission to publish any or all of his response to our inquiries. Very early Tuesday morning, we received the following:
Santilli" wrote:
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Quite the liars' circle jerk! :popcorn:
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bob wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:27 am
Cool story, bro. :roll:
Apparently, then, teaching your son that he has to hold his wee-wee properly so he doesn't pee all over the floor is grooming. I mean, if one gets technical.
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bob wrote:P&E: What is “Operation Checkmate?”:

As an extension to an established biographical website, former government subcontractor Dennis Montgomery has established a dedicated new page to an endeavor titled, “Operation Checkmate.”

As per its url, the site appears to be hosted by internet radio host Peter Santilli and opens to yet another WordPress website, operationcheckmate.net, subtitled, “The Facts & Truth About Dennis Montgomery.”

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Santilli appears to have become an advocate and spokesman for Montgomery, as evidenced by the “Contact Us” page containing his name and those of two other broadcasters of a show called, “The Big Mig.” Santilli is also an associate of MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, whose attorneys on August 20 filed a Motion to Intervene in a federal case Montgomery had brought against his onetime business partner, Warren Trepp, in 2006.

On Monday, September 26, The Post & Email contacted Santilli and the two associates listed on “Operation Checkmate” to ask how Santilli came to host the website. Our email reads:
So who is scamming who here? Or is it a mutial circle jerk? Is Santilli planning to reinvent himeself via Montgomery? :lol: Or vice versa?

We all know Montgomery is always only in it for the money, so ...

And I read Pete's commentary rather quickly but I did not notice the words "plea deal" in his rendition of his "exonneration" re Bundy. :think:
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P&E: The 30,000-Ft. View of the Montgomery/Lindell Saga:
LINDELL FREE TO RELEASE DATA OBTAINED FROM FORMER GOVERNMENT SUBCONTRACTOR DENNIS MONTGOMERY, GOVERNMENT SAYS

A 21-page brief filed by the U.S. Department of Justice on Thursday asks a Nevada federal judge to maintain a protective order and State Secrets Privilege invocation in a 2006 lawsuit which MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell had recently sought to have lifted.

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In its reply brief filed Thursday, the Justice Department’s Civil Division, Federal Programs Branch wrote that Lindell is not a party to the protective order and therefore is not restricted from releasing any information gleaned from Montgomery.

“Lindell has determined that it is necessary to intervene in this long-dismissed litigation in Nevada as part of his defense against the defamation claims he faces in D.C. in order to obtain relief from a protective order entered in this case pursuant to the state secrets privilege,…” DOJ attorneys Brian M. Boynton and Anthony J. Coppolino wrote on page 5. “Lindell seeks this relief despite the fact that: he is not subject to the protective order entered in this case and that protective order does not apply to any litigation but the above-captioned cases in which it was entered…”

“…neither this litigation nor the United States’ motion for protective order have anything at all to do with voting, elections administration, or Dominion,” the Department of Justice continued.

At the same time, the government asked that the protective order remain in place for the same reasons it was granted in 2007 and stated that Montgomery was still held by the non-disclosure agreement he signed in relation to eTreppid’s work with the government.

On page 15, the DOJ contended that Lindell’s claims lacked “relevance” on three counts, including that the protective order did not pertain to any information pertaining to “voting, elections administration, or voting machines, whether manufactured by Dominion or any other entity.”
DOJ wrote:First, the Protective Order in this litigation was entered over 15 years ago, pursuant to an assertion of the state secrets privilege over 16 years ago. Just simply looking at a calendar shows that the Order had nothing to do with the 2020 election or alleged fraud therein. Second, neither the Protective Order nor the supporting materials submitted by the United States in seeking it had anything to do with voting, elections administration, or voting machines, whether manufactured by Dominion or any other entity.3 And third, Lindell has not explained what the two categories of information that are subject to the Protective Order have to do with the defamation litigation. The closest Lindell comes on this score are statements that Montgomery has information related to purported “illegal US government surveillance programs” using Montgomery’s technology that involved the surveillance of, among many others, voting machines manufactured by Dominion. Mot. at 3; Montgomery Decl. ¶ 38, ECF No. 1216-2. But even on its own terms, this baseless claim provides no support to Lindell. That is because Lindell has not explained what these farfetched allegations of surveillance have to do with his contentions that votes in the 2020 election were manipulated by anyone, let alone the United States Government.
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On Friday night, Santilli reported Lindell’s assertion made on a GETTR livestream that “The government lifted the gag order, that means the whole world is going to see this election data,” which is inaccurate.

It is not the role of the Justice Department to lift the protective order, but rather, the decision lies with Judge Miranda Du, to whom the case was assigned after it was noted that Cooke is retired.

Santilli’s broadcasts are now hosted by Lindell’s news and information website, Frankspeech, including the misleading report that the protective order was “lifted.”

In response to our “Operation Checkmate” article, Santilli told this writer in an email that “Your article exudes extreme bias, is riddled with typographical and grammatical errors, contains so much text that nobody will ever read it, and based on your analytics, thankfully very few people will ever see it.”

“When you break 100 readers for the week, please let me know how I can help you,” Santilli added.
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On October 5, The Post & Email asked Santilli about the veracity of a comment left in response to the article, which reads:
[some jerk*] wrote:When Santilli says he won two federal trials, what’s he referring to? The federal charges against him in Oregon were dismissed before trial, and Santilli in Nevada pleaded guilty in federal court to conspiracy to impede federal officers.
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To date, we have received no response.

Similarly, Migliaccio did not respond to a question as to whether he is the individual who “pleaded guilty to five felony counts of possessing Ecstasy with the intent of distributing the drug and faces five years in prison as part of the plea agreement.”

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Questions which need to be answered:

How can Montgomery prove the origin of the alleged PCAPS when he remains bound by the protective order?
How can Montgomery’s advocates reconcile that the Justice Department said there was no data covered by the protective order relevant to elections or voting?
DOJ's reply response.


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How I wish Santilli had faded into the obscurity he's earned.
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pipistrelle wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:14 am How I wish Santilli had faded into the obscurity he's earned.
:fingerwag: P&E update:
Santilli wrote:As I have already indicated, your blog reaches nobody. If I were to spend any of my time answering ridiculous questions from readers in your comment threads….who are obviously misinformed by reading your article to begin with, it would take away from the work I need to do to communicate to the public I serve. Essentially, I can’t be taken off in the weeds by your relentless time-sucking nonsense. Is that what you are intending to do?

Heres a question back to you: Of the 100+ articles you have ever written, how many times have you spoken to Dennis Montgomery? As I understand it from speaking directly to him, the answer is zero.

Try contacting Dennis Montgomery and asking him some questions. The answers to most of the important questions will undoubtedly discredit almost every article you have written.

The question posed by [some jerk*] indicates he has no clue what my responsibilities were in forming the joint legal defense team, preparing the juror questionnaires in advance of jury selection, as well as the searchable database and 3200+ discovery exhibits which were used by the defense team in multiple trials. Why were my charges dismissed on Oregon? Why did I “plead guilty”? What does the entire defense team say about my contributions to the defense team & being able to get the case dismissed?
Santilli attempted to answer the very question he said he didn't have time to answer three paragraphs earlier! :towel:
Please stop time sucking. Your website received 29 hits yesterday**. The most efficient way to inform those readers is to have them tune into my show. Please also stop insinuating that by Dennis Montgomery not producing classified documentation in violation of his security clearance, he is therefore not credible. You would know his if you actually spoke to Dennis Montgomery at some point.
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P&E: https://www.thepostemail.com/2022/10/14/lindell-changes-his-story-again/]Lindell Changes His Story Again:
"THEY WOULD NOT LET US SHOW IT"

In an interview [last] Tuesday on “The David Pakman Show,” MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell proffered yet another explanation for why over a year ago he did not release the “PCAPS” data he claimed to have acquired proving that the 2020 presidential election was “stolen” from Donald Trump.

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During the opening minutes of the interview, Pakman asked Lindell to explain why numerous pledges and predictions he made, many of which originated with the Cyber Symposium and included that Trump would be reinstated as president last year, did not come to pass.

“Well, there’s a big reason for that,” Lindell replied. “The evidence I got on January 9th was by a person which I can come out with his name now: Dennis Montgomery [sic]. He was a whistleblower with the CIA; he worked with the CIA and the government for years developing a thing called ‘Hammer/Scorecard,’ and this is all the information he gave me on January 9th. When we were going to release it at the Cyber Symposium we were told because there’s a government gag order on it that we cannot release it, but Dennis put in to get it released about the same time we did our show last year. He put that in, and they said they wouldn’t release it; we went ahead with the Cyber Symposium; we can show that we had the data that it was from the 2020 election, but we couldn’t show the back-end data. There was on the third day they would not let us show it; my lawyers said ‘No’; they advised us, ‘Don’t put it out; let’s work on this gag order.'”
That passive voice hides the obvious, "Montgomery snowed us. Again."
“Dennis has had this to get released in Nevada,” Lindell said, referring to the time of the Summit. Further, Lindell claimed, he and his legal team “put in Nevada to get it released about a month ago.”

As he told the audience at the Summit, Lindell told Pakman he “owns the software” Montgomery allegedly invented.

“Just this last Thursday, the government came in and said, ‘You can — this is not going to be part of the gag order’ — so that is big news; it’s breaking news,” Lindell told Pakman. “I didn’t know that when we were going to get on your show. So now we release it; I can bring it to my lawsuits, and we subpoenaed on Friday Brennan, Clapper, Negroponte, Baker: we’ve subpoenaed all these guys…”

* * *

Lindell responded in the negative to Pakman’s question as to whether he believed he would be “criminally charged” after the FBI seized his phone several weeks ago, asserting that the FBI was investigating a case in Colorado, which was reported by The Washington Post.

At 15:10, Lindell stated there have been “two preliminary injunctions” against the use of electronic voting machines in Alabama and Arizona, respectively, as a result of legal actions he took or supported in those states.

In speaking with the media, Lindell referred to “filing” a “temporary injunction” rather than requesting one of the court in each case. Neither a plaintiff nor a defendant in a case can issue an injunction.

The Arizona case, filed by plaintiffs Katie Hobbs and Mark Finchem, both of whom are seeking statewide elected office in Arizona, was dismissed on August 29; the Alabama case was dismissed on September 12, although Lindell did not acknowledge those developments. “We just did a preliminary injunction down in Arizona,” Lindell told Pakman at 26:55, although the case and Lindell’s filing were submitted in April.

Throughout the interview, Pakman attempted to harness Lindell’s meandering narrative and claims to focus on specific questions. Subjects Lindell raised as he spoke included the number of registered voters in the state of Wisconsin and the number who actually voted in 2020; Lindell’s new endeavor, “MyStore“; his goal of eliminating voting machines in the United States; the case of Moore v. Harper, which the U.S. Supreme Court will hear during its fall term to examine “the extent of a state court’s authority to reject rules adopted by a state legislature for use in conducting federal elections”; and Lindell’s “MyPillow” product, among many others.
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"For completeness": P&E: Lindell Embellishes Again.

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