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DrIrvingFinegarten wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:49 pm Then there was this from another guy
Again, the whole reason he was restrained is because he was resisting. They put him in the back of the car and he fought his way out the other side. He was resisting the entire time. You're either blind or extremely ignorant mixed with a lot of intellectual inferiority.
My response would be something like

"So you are saying he couldn't breath, and he was dying of an overdose (of a drug of which one of the symptoms of an OD is that sends you to sleep,) yet somehow you are saying he was able to get enough oxygen into his system and the wakefullness to fight his way through a police car and out the other side with 3 cops on him? You are not being very consistent in your thinking, paleface."

A lot of these people have one argument for one thing and cant see that it contradicts what they say in another situation. So if you start throwing what they are saying in other situations at them rather than it makes them look like idiots as they have to argue against themselves. Also they want you to be the stupid one, and it drives them up the wall when you make it obvious that they are the ones being to the left of the IQ graph (feel free to use that one)
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DrIrvingFinegarten wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:32 pm How do I respond to something like this?
If Chauvin had detained someone w/ his knee that didn’t have meth & fentanyl in their system, they wouldn’t have died. Our ability to breathe is comprised in that position but not much. He was in that position bc he asked, & bc he was resisting the Cops.
Did you see the report that showed how much meth & fentanyl he had in his system? When was the last time you had a man put his body weight on your lower neck/shoulders? It doesn’t restrict your breathing, which is why officers are trained to detain that wa
Listen up- watch the video of George Floyd when he tragically passed & you’ll see him saying he couldn’t breathe throughout the ordeal. The only reason he ended up on the ground is bc he asked to be on the ground.
You can always respond by telling these jackasses to go to YouTube and watch the video of the actual COURT TESTIMONY of the Medical Examiner and a Pulmonary Specialist that both testified that George Floyd died from asphyxiation caused by neck compression. And the Pulmonary Specialist was unequivocal - any healthy person subjected to that treatment would have died. Period.

There is good reason that not one but TWO juries unanimously found that Floyd was murdered by police officers. They listened to expert medical testimony and that testimony matches the fucking video. Deal with it.
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I know it's incredibly frustrating (been there) but one thing this old lady has learned is that you can't reason with the unreasonable.
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Slim Cognito wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:22 am I know it's incredibly frustrating (been there) but one thing this old lady has learned is that you can't reason with the unreasonable.
I agree, because they don't want to be reasoned with. They want to "destroy" you, make you so frustrated and exhausted that you will "be triggered" and they will be vindicated. They don't give a fuck what the truth is.

So doing what I said and what RVInit said and what other said, you will wind up frustrating them. They want to Gish Gallop you all over the place and exhaust you. You just stay focused and refuse to be sidetracked no matter what they try and blather, and you will turn the tables on them. They know they are lying.

An example I had recently was when I said that the majority of those causing trouble at BLM protests were right wing infiltrators and trouble makers. This troll asked me how could that be when the majority of people on Federal charges from the protests were minorities. Now I cold have fallen into the trap of saying that some minorities are right wing and blah blah an he would has spun me in circles with that crap, but I simply said that the vast majority of charges from the protests were not federal crimes so that was totally irrelevant. He had tried to change what the discussion was about to avoid the implications of what I was saying. And honestly I was typing out a sentence when I realized he was talking about FEDERAL Charges now, which was a complete nonsense. Oddly he didn't reply to me again in that thread.
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Yes to all of the above. These trials were both televised, all the testimony video is easily accessible on YouTube, it's pretty easy for anyone who has an honest interest in what killed Floyd to find these testimonies.

This is a short synopsis of the most important facts the jury heard from the pulmonary specialist. It's heartbreaking.

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I think I’ve also learned that my weight affects my credibility. I’ m carrying quite a bit more weight than I should and it’s obvious in my profile pic on Twitter.

I pointed out that it’s physically impossible for someone prone on the ground with his hands cuffed behind his back to get up and he said for someone like me it may be but for normal people it doesn’t. I don’t understand what my weight has to do with my credibility.
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DrIrvingFinegarten wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:23 am I think I’ve also learned that my weight affects my credibility. I’ m carrying quite a bit more weight than I should and it’s obvious in my profile pic on Twitter.

I pointed out that it’s physically impossible for someone prone on the ground with his hands cuffed behind his back to get up and he said for someone like me it may be but for normal people it doesn’t. I don’t understand what my weight has to do with my credibility.
It's not even remotely "physically impossible for someone prone on the ground with his hands cuffed behind his back to get up." Children, adults, male, female, it matters not. They can all, pretty easily get up from that position.
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You can get up from the position without the use of your hands, really?
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DrIrvingFinegarten wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:16 am You can get up from the position without the use of your hands, really?
I'm not sure I could at my age. I'll try it later. If I can, it won't be like hopping up like a bunny. Doing it with a wall next to me might make it more workable.
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neonzx wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:38 am
DrIrvingFinegarten wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:16 am You can get up from the position without the use of your hands, really?
I'm not sure I could at my age. I'll try it later. If I can, it won't be like hopping up like a bunny. Doing it with a wall next to me might make it more workable.

So if Chauvin did not restrain Floyd, it is conceivable that he could have gotten up and attacked?
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DrIrvingFinegarten wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:59 am
neonzx wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:38 am
DrIrvingFinegarten wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:16 am You can get up from the position without the use of your hands, really?
I'm not sure I could at my age. I'll try it later. If I can, it won't be like hopping up like a bunny. Doing it with a wall next to me might make it more workable.

So if Chauvin did not restrain Floyd, it is conceivable that he could have gotten up and attacked?
Yeah, right? I'm not sure what Sugar meant because there were two other officers restraining him at the midsection and on the legs. How would he bounce up from that? :shrug:

Thank doG for citizens armed with phones with video recording capabilities. I know the police hate that. Oh well... guess they need to learn to behave-- or clean their houses. :whistle:
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DrIrvingFinegarten wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:16 am You can get up from the position without the use of your hands, really?
Decades ago (seriously, it was at least 30 years ago) we had USPS Police stationed at one of the sorting facilities where I worked. I was friends with a few of them, and one day one of them jokingly asked me if I could get up from sitting on the ground, without using my hands. Back then I was still able to do so, and I asked why my friend has asked me if I could do that.

He told me that it was one of the physical requirements needed to pass the test to become a USPS police officer, and many people could NOT actually perform this task without using their hands.

Your mileage and physical abilities may differ...
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Obviously a whole lot of people never saw the trial. Because all this discussion is moot if you saw the trial.

The civilian video did not pick up conversation from inside the vehicle. But police video did pick it up. And the jury heard every bit of it.

Inside the car, Floyd says he’s claustrophobic and wants to know if they will pull him out, allow him to count to ten and then he will get inside the back seat himself. The jury clearly heard him tell three officers that he will comply if they just allow him to take a few seconds. As they are pulling him out they never say ok but he clearly believes they are going to do what he asked because he says thank you thank you thank you over and over again. But instead of allowing him to get back in after gathering himself, they immediately put him face down and we know the rest.

Every step of the way from the initial contact to his death these officers were unreasonable and showed clearly that they had nothing but contempt for the life of Floyd. And thank goodness, they got what the deserved.
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Court asked to void verdict against Derek Chauvin in George Floyd's murder
George Floyd died on May 25, 2020, after Derek Chauvin, who is white, pinned the Black man to the ground with his knee on his neck for 9 1/2 minutes.

An attorney for Derek Chauvin asked an appeals court Wednesday to throw out the former Minneapolis police officer’s convictions in the murder of George Floyd, arguing that legal and procedural errors deprived him of a fair trial.
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Chauvin’s attorney, William Mohrman, told a three-judge panel of the Minnesota Court of Appeals that the trial judge should have moved the case out of Minneapolis because of extensive pretrial publicity and unprecedented security precautions due to protest fears.

“The primary issue on this appeal is whether a criminal defendant can get a fair trial consistent with constitutional requirements in a courthouse surrounded by concrete block, barbed wire, two armored personnel carriers, and a squad of National Guard troops, all of which or whom are there for one purpose: in the event that the jury acquits the defendant,” Mohrman said.

But Neal Katyal, a special attorney for the state, said Chauvin got “one of the most transparent and thorough trials in our nation’s history. ... Chauvin’s many arguments before this court do not come close to justifying reversal.”
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Appeals court affirms conviction of Chauvin for George Floyd murder

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The Minnesota Court of Appeals on Monday upheld the conviction of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd during a 2020 arrest, rejecting Chauvin's request for a new trial.

The panel of three judges rejected Chauvin's argument that the judge in his 2021 state trial made multiple errors and abused his discretion, including a decision to deny Chauvin's request to move the trial outside of Minneapolis.

Chauvin, a white man, was convicted of murdering Floyd, who is Black, by kneeling on a handcuffed Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes during an arrest on May 25, 2020, which sparked protests across the country against police brutality and racism.

Chauvin was sentenced to 22-1/2 years in prison. In December 2021, Chauvin pleaded guilty in federal court to charges he violated George Floyd's civil rights.

Chauvin's lawyer, William Mohrman, argued in a court filing in April 2022 that Hennepin County District Judge Peter Cahill made multiple errors that denied Chauvin a fair trial.
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Not Chauvin, but probably the best place for this?
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Good.
Neal Katyal @neal_katyal wrote: In our case prosecuting the George Floyd murder, proud to say the Minnesota Supreme Court has just denied Derek Chauvin’s appeal. My gratitude to an extraordinary trial team led by @keithellison and a group of phenomenal lawyers. A true dream team.
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??

Why did the State of Minnesota hire a biglaw $2k/hour gun-for-hire celebrity to defend a pretty ordinary criminal appeal?
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chancery wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:56 pm ??

Why did the State of Minnesota hire a biglaw $2k/hour gun-for-hire celebrity to defend a pretty ordinary criminal appeal?
Because George Floyd.
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Yabut that's not a done thing in this country. In a criminal trials, the deck is stacked in favor of the government in all sorts of ways, and even more so in an appeal from a jury conviction. The offices of state prosecutors have good, experienced appellate lawyers. If they aren't up to the work of defending a particular conviction, there's usually something wrong.

Sure, the state of South Carolina engaged John W. Davis to defend segregation now and forever before the Supreme Court, and Davis took the case pro bono, but that wasn't an indication of the strength and justice of the Palmetto State's position.

It seems weird to me, and bad.
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chancery wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:51 am Yabut that's not a done thing in this country. In a criminal trials, the deck is stacked in favor of the government in all sorts of ways, and even more so in an appeal from a jury conviction. The offices of state prosecutors have good, experienced appellate lawyers. If they aren't up to the work of defending a particular conviction, there's usually something wrong.

Sure, the state of South Carolina engaged John W. Davis to defend segregation now and forever before the Supreme Court, and Davis took the case pro bono, but that wasn't an indication of the strength and justice of the Palmetto State's position.

It seems weird to me, and bad.
I agree. The only reason I can think of is that the entire appellate division in the state AG’s office is conflicted, and I think that’s highly unlikely.
Edit: I recall reading that Katyal was brought in at the trial level because the local prosecutors were tossed off the case by the judge for meeting with the medical examiner without Chauvin’s attorneys present.

I think I also read that he worked on the appeal pro bono, but I’m not 100% on that.
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Derek Chauvin to ask Supreme Court to review conviction in murder of George Floyd

Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer convicted of killing George Floyd, will appeal that conviction to the U.S. Supreme Court, his attorneys said.

The decision to appeal came soon after Minnesota's highest court denied Chauvin's request to review his case. Chauvin was sentenced to more than 20 years in prison for second-degree murder in the 2020 killing of Floyd, which sparked protests against police misconduct and unrest across the nation.

Chauvin's attorneys told The Associated Press, CNN and other news outlets about their intention to appeal. Those attorneys did not immediately respond to a request from comment from USA TODAY.

Chauvin faces long odds at the Supreme Court, which declines to decide the vast majority of appeals.
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Ex-MPD cop Tou Thao sentencing: RAW

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The fourth and final former Minneapolis police officer charged for his role in George Floyd's murder was sentenced in court on Monday. Here's the full sentencing hearing.

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Ex-Minneapolis officer unrepentant as he gets nearly 5 years in George Floyd killing

BY STEVE KARNOWSKI
Updated 9:20 PM CEST, August 7, 2023

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Tou Thao, the last former Minneapolis police officer convicted in state court for his role in the killing of George Floyd, did not show any repentance or admit any wrongdoing as he was sentenced Monday to 4 years and 9 months.

Thao had previously testified that he merely served as a “human traffic cone” when he held back concerned bystanders who gathered as former Officer Derek Chauvin, who is white, knelt on Floyd’s neck for 9 1/2 minutes while the Black man pleaded for his life on May 25, 2020.

A bystander video captured Floyd’s fading cries of “I can’t breathe.” Floyd’s murder touched off protests worldwide and forced a national reckoning of police brutality and racism.



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