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noblepa wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:16 pm Is it even legal for a political organization to run a lottery?

'Cause that's exactly what she'd doing. "Make a contribution, get a chance to win this 50 cal. phallic symbol".

I know that churches and other charities are allowed, but I don't know about PAC's or campaign funds.

I would dearly love to see her get in trouble over this.

One clarification on charities. In the US (probably Canada since they are always stricter but I don't know for sure), if a charity is running a raffle, a donor cannot take a tax deduction on the amount for a raffle ticket even if they lose. The IRS considers the raffle to be a benefit as the purchase of the ticket gives the purchaser the right for future benefit.

Don't know if this applies, but I used to be treasurer for a local branch of Friends of the Library, which had non-profit status. We often gave away gift baskets via drawing from "donations," but, fer the luf of dog, DON'T CALL IT A RAFFLE OR A LOTTERY!!! "Thank you for your donation, would you like to fill this out for a chance at the basket?" I ended up printing it on a piece of paper and taping it inside the top desk drawer. Every meeting I had to keep reminding people. Of course, we weren't talking millions. On a good week, the store took in $300, with biannual book sales that would net about $1500.

This is one of those on-the-line things that groups sometimes use to avoid tax receipt issues. I would have to check my books to be sure (or Butterfly could likely explain in better and more accurate detail) but there is a point where they could almost claim it is not a raffle. I figure that it is not based on increasing chances based on the amount given and that, the real fine print states, without saying it, no purchase is necessary. Depending on the value of the gift baskets, it may also fall within the insignificant value (such as not having to state a quid pro quo for a token like a key chain for a donation) though I do not know and don't remember the current limit.

The safest way is to basically have the rule that you don't actually have to give. Then, officially, the drawing is separate from the actual donor gift.

Shut it all down.

Not only the workers, but millions depend on government services. Let's start with our veterans. I'm sure they won't mind you shutting it all down mtg. Then let's move to our retirees. I'm sure they won't mind being cut off from their social security checks. Do it. I double dog dare you.

Oooh, look who’s wearing a mask.

Great quote from Mehdi Hassan:

"Like, you could pay me a million dollars—I’m never going to interview Marjorie Taylor Greene. Why? What would be the point?”

Er.... getting a million dollars?

Frater I*I wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:04 pm

As someone noted, shoes on plane are different than shoes at airport. Possible ‘shop.

sorry if i did not see this above


Marjorie Taylor Greene's impeachment rant goes off the rails: 'God will no longer provide protection'
David Edwards
September 20, 2021


Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) explained on Monday why she supports articles of impeachment against President Joe Biden.

In a floor speech, Greene said that she was prompted to file articles of impeachment because of "his disgraceful actions having to do with Afghanistan."

According to the Georgia Republican, Biden is guilty of treason because he gave "aid and comfort to the enemies."

Greene also pointed to the "security crisis created at our southern border, which today is actually being invaded."

The lawmaker then veered into a rant about abortion.



https://www.rawstory.com/marjorie-taylo ... 655065225/

video mtg speech within

Speech delivered in front of an empty chamber.

'God will no longer provide protection'

From my knowlege of USA history, just what has doG been offering protection from? I'm unimpressed.

Apparently god must have been on vacation on 06JAN21....

Years ago, before the internet stole more and more of my time (and there were far fewer tv channels) I used to watch those end-of-day one-minute speeches or special order speeches on CSpan. The whole point of those is usually to get something on the record. So it was usually somebody babbling to an empty house and whoever had the gavel trying not to dose off. With MTG, it is another place to make noise.

I found this amusing statement in an explanation of the one-minute speeches (which apparently was not what MTG was at).

NOTE: Members are strongly encouraged to read House Rule XVII, Decorum and Debate (especially clause 1), as well as section XVII of the Jefferson’s Manual, Order and Debate.

Decorum, order.. hahahahaha.

This week apparently is mostly Republicans taking turns introducing articles of impeachment, which I suspect will be the minimum requirement to get a free ride in primaries.

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:19 pm

Frater I*I wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:04 pm

As someone noted, shoes on plane are different than shoes at airport. Possible ‘shop.

Greene's shows are not in that photo. Those shoes are her neighbor's.

Also, I know that Delta is a cheap airline, but that 'first class seat' looks a lot like fucking cattle class on just about every airplane I've ever been on.

Gregg wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:39 pm Speech delivered in front of an empty chamber.

Most speeches are.

Dog darn it, I hate defending this person.

Stop attacking her with bullshit - there is plenty of real stuff to attack.

keith wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:29 am

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:19 pm

Frater I*I wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:04 pm

As someone noted, shoes on plane are different than shoes at airport. Possible ‘shop.

Greene's shows are not in that photo. Those shoes are her neighbor's.

Also, I know that Delta is a cheap airline, but that 'first class seat' looks a lot like fucking cattle class on just about every airplane I've ever been on.

The person in the foreground has long sleeves, short pants, while the person in the background is sleeveless with long pants. The person identified as MTG in the airport is sleeveless with long pants. Her shoes do not match those of the person seated in the background. Except for this glaring difference, there are enough similarities to suggest they are the same person, but no actual proof. Neither is there proof the person in the airport is MTG. So, this whole thing gets a shrug from me.

And like you, I'm not fond of having to defend her even for the slightest things including stalker pix at rando locations. I know she inserted herself into the public view, but paparazzi style photos can get creepy.

Interesting piece. It's worth a full read, but to summarize, the premise is that mtg is using the firearm imagery to push clean energy as a left wing item and something that any right leaning person should be instinctually against.

Don’t Let Marjorie Greene Trick You Into Thinking Past The Sale
Either way, the basic message (clean car ownership equals being left-wing) was achieved.

The reality that’s easy to forget is that many people now choose clean vehicles for a broad variety of decidedly non-political and even non-environmental reasons. They’re cheaper to operate, are often more fun to drive, and are often a lot less of a pain in the ass compared to gas-powered vehicles. The fact that they’re better for the environment doesn’t even have to come up.

Once we’ve accepted this premise (clean car equals left-wing), it’s a lot easier to accept the premise that policies meant to promote electric vehicles are also left-wing, and thus are something no right-leaning person should ever support. This isn’t going to affect left-leaning viewers much, but the idea is to push right-leaning viewers into thinking that clean cars (and policies that promote them) are a threat to one’s freedom that must be dealt with (perhaps with violence if necessary).

The “good soldiers” who see this message over and over (both from Greene and others) then go and key Teslas in parking lots, shoot at them on the highway, and do other stupid things out of fear. More importantly, though, they vote for politicians who oppose environmental policies and donate to their campaigns.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/09/21/do ... -the-sale/

keith wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:29 am

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:19 pm

Frater I*I wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:04 pm

As someone noted, shoes on plane are different than shoes at airport. Possible ‘shop.

Greene's shows are not in that photo. Those shoes are her neighbor's.

Also, I know that Delta is a cheap airline, but that 'first class seat' looks a lot like fucking cattle class on just about every airplane I've ever been on.

That is seat 1C on a Delta Embraer E-170. First class seat, 3rd rate airplane.

Gregg wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:18 pm

keith wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:29 am

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:19 pm

As someone noted, shoes on plane are different than shoes at airport. Possible ‘shop.

Greene's shows are not in that photo. Those shoes are her neighbor's.

Also, I know that Delta is a cheap airline, but that 'first class seat' looks a lot like fucking cattle class on just about every airplane I've ever been on.

That is seat 1C on a Delta Embraer E-170. First class seat, 3rd rate airplane.

No-class seat occupant.

Frater I*I wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:17 pm Apparently god must have been on vacation on 06JAN21....

. . . and on September 11, 2001.

bill_g wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:52 am
The person in the foreground has long sleeves, short pants, while the person in the background is sleeveless with long pants. The person identified as MTG in the airport is sleeveless with long pants. Her shoes do not match those of the person seated in the background. Except for this glaring difference, there are enough similarities to suggest they are the same person, but no actual proof. Neither is there proof the person in the airport is MTG. So, this whole thing gets a shrug from me.

Yes. I see.

keith wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:37 pm
Yes. I see.