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Nearly $50M overall will leave a dent. Now we get to play the money shell game.


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:thumbsup:

Roll on the next family!

A few more cases and his $270M will be $0. :)


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One of my favorite finds from this week.
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Re: Alex Jones - Alexander Emerick Jones "I’m so sick of fu*king Tr*mp*"

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Greg Doucette, a lawyer admitted in Texas who has a good track record for reliable online posts, lays out the reasons why the punitive damages award will be reduced to $750k.

Depending on how the verdict reads (I haven't seen the actual text anywhere), there may be multiple awards of $750k against more than one of the four defendants.

It looks as though there will be two $750k awards, one for each plaintiff.


Folks seem to be misinterpreting my earlier tweet about Texas's punitive damages statute, so let me simplify it:

Punitive damages against Alex Jones will be in the range of $0 – $750,000 regardless of how the jury rules

The jury does not know this yet

1/

The Texas Civil Practice and Remedies Code has the statutes that will apply here

Section 41.001 splits out "economic" vs "non-economic" damages

2/

Section 41.008 is the "tort reform" statute that caps punitive damages

The punitive damage cap formula is:
[2 x economic damages]
+ [up to $750K non-economic damages]

If that number ends up less than $200K, the cap on punitives is instead $200K

3/

Subsection (e) of 41.008 prohibits telling the jury about that cap, because the idea is you don't want to artificially influence the jury's decisionmaking

So the jury can come up with whatever number it wants. If it's over the cap, the judge will then reduce the award

4/

The jury has already awarded compensatory damages of $4.1M

None of that was economic; it was all non-economic

So the punitive damages cap formula will be:
[2 x $0]
+ [up to $750K of $4.1M]

Which equals $750,000

5/

There are several types of lawsuits where that cap doesn't apply (most are cases where someone injured someone else while committing a felony of some sort or another)

None of those exceptions apply to this case

6/


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I stand by my calculation, punctuation in the statute matters.

Ignore the semicolon at your own peril! :shock:


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Greatgrey wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:01 pm I stand by my calculation, punctuation in the statute matters.

Ignore the semicolon at your own peril! :shock:
Your formula looks to match Doucette's, but Doucette assumes none of the original damages counted as "economic" damages:
The jury has already awarded compensatory damages of $4.1M

None of that was economic; it was all non-economic

So the punitive damages cap formula will be:
[2 x $0]
+ [up to $750K of $4.1M]

Which equals $750,000
Economic damages are compensation for financial losses, things like medical bills. The large amounts are for pain and suffering or mental anguish and those don't count as economic damages. Farther down in the posted thread he indicates some uncertainty on this -- it might be that a small portion, perhaps $50 - $100 K, did count as economic damages, and that could push the cap up into the $900 K range.

ETA: By the end of the long thread, Doucette winds up more certain the economic damages were 0. A small chunk, $60K each parent, was for reputation damage, but that is also considered non-economic, he says.

[Doucette seems to me like a really good source, really appreciated the post from chancery. ]


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And there’s this….



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You know, I kind of like the phrase "corpse of Infowars".


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So is the 4.1mil 'guaranteed'? Is it only the punitive that can be arm-wrestled over?

Or can Jones argue about every last penny?


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keith wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:12 am So is the 4.1mil 'guaranteed'? Is it only the punitive that can be arm-wrestled over?

Or can Jones argue about every last penny?
IANAL, but all of it can (and probably will) be appealed.


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raison de arizona wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:00 pm Judge "That is not true."
Reynal: "Well, that is our position."
Judge "Well, it's not true."
*Judges laughs heartily*
Please tell me there's video. :)


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Ben-Prime wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:50 am
raison de arizona wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:00 pm Judge "That is not true."
Reynal: "Well, that is our position."
Judge "Well, it's not true."
*Judges laughs heartily*
Please tell me there's video. :)
And in the middle of that exchange, the older attorney stood up and whispered in the younger one's ear and basically made him sit down and shut up.


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sugar magnolia wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:32 am
Ben-Prime wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:50 am
raison de arizona wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:00 pm Judge "That is not true."
Reynal: "Well, that is our position."
Judge "Well, it's not true."
*Judges laughs heartily*
Please tell me there's video. :)
And in the middle of that exchange, the older attorney stood up and whispered in the younger one's ear and basically made him sit down and shut up.
Aw, you're killing me. Was this during the punitive damages hearing or the post-hearing decision or what?


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Ben-Prime wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:57 am
sugar magnolia wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:32 am
Ben-Prime wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:50 am

Please tell me there's video. :)
And in the middle of that exchange, the older attorney stood up and whispered in the younger one's ear and basically made him sit down and shut up.
Aw, you're killing me. Was this during the punitive damages hearing or the post-hearing decision or what?
The last 10 minutes or so of the punitive damages hearing yesterday afternoon. And the whole "that's not true" exchange lasted for probably over a minute. Every time the attorney said something, the Judge contradicted him and made a very sarcastic comment towards the end about him (paraphrasing) expecting her to take his word for something instead of believing the document in front of her, that HE submitted.

And when the older attorney was whispering in his ear, he also had his hand on his shoulder back like he was pushing him to sit down. It was pretty weird.


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Ben-Prime wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:50 am
raison de arizona wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:00 pm Judge "That is not true."
Reynal: "Well, that is our position."
Judge "Well, it's not true."
*Judges laughs heartily*
Please tell me there's video. :)
Yes, there is video. The exchange starts at 7:51:17 in this video. This link starts the video at 7:50:08. Enjoy!



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much ado wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:16 am
Ben-Prime wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:50 am
raison de arizona wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:00 pm Judge "That is not true."
Reynal: "Well, that is our position."
Judge "Well, it's not true."
*Judges laughs heartily*
Please tell me there's video. :)
Yes, there is video. The exchange starts at 7:51:17 in this video. This link starts the video at 7:50:08. Enjoy!

Maaaaah heeeero. :)


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SuzieC wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:06 pm $45.2 million! That will send a message, all right. Unanimous jury, no matter that 2 jurors may have been InfoWars fans. A Texas jury, no less. Let's see how they spin this at CPAC.
If I'd been one of the normies, I"d have noogied the two IW fans until they gave in.


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pipistrelle wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:12 am
SuzieC wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:06 pm $45.2 million! That will send a message, all right. Unanimous jury, no matter that 2 jurors may have been InfoWars fans. A Texas jury, no less. Let's see how they spin this at CPAC.
If I'd been one of the normies, I"d have noogied the two IW fans until they gave in.
Expose them to chemtrails until they become gay frogs. Or something.


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Don’t know if this clip has been posted. The judge!

Edit: “Twice. TODAY.” :twisted:


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pipistrelle wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:59 pm Don’t know if this clip has been posted. The judge!

Edit: “Twice. TODAY.” :twisted:
She is a Yale-educated (both undergrad and law) Democrat, Latina child of immigrants, with extensive civic engagement history, honored by both the State and Federal Attorney General, and seemingly in a long-term stable marriage.

I sincerely hope she is not Milkshake Ducked, because I want to enjoy her as a minor judicial celebrity for awhile.


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I've been reading a blog called "Juanita Jean's: The World's Most Dangerous Beauty Salon" for several years, and I have no idea how I found it originally. Maybe here on The Fogbow? She gives a refreshing perspective on Texas politics, though I haven't been reading her much lately because I find the goings on in Texas too depressing.

Today I finally made the connection between "Juanita Jean" AKA Susan Bankston and her son, Mark Bankston, the plaintiffs attorney. She's a proud parent. Here's a link to her blog:
https://juanitajean.com/he-used-to-brea ... grown-men/


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Whoa! Thanks, Beast. That’s cool! It’s been a while since Ive been to the Salon.


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I used to read that every day. Thanks for the reminder!


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pipistrelle wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:59 pm Don’t know if this clip has been posted. The judge!

Edit: “Twice. TODAY.” :twisted:
I could not be a judge. I do not have this sort of calm and collected presence when I am talking to fools and assholes.

I would tell Jones, "Lissen here, Mr. Jones. You have repeatedly not answered questions that were asked of you. You have repeatedly added irrelevant and distracting information to your responses. You have lied on the stand. This is not how our system works. You answer the question asked, period. I have admonished you before. Apparently, you do not understand that I am in charge of the proceedings in this courtroom. Let me make myself clear: If you continue to be non-responsive in your answers; if you continue to augment answers with irrelevant information; if your answers suggest perjury, I will hold you in contempt of court and fine you $1,000 per occurrence, payable in cash or bond before you leave court at the end of the day. I am going to ask you a yes/no question, and I want a one word response. Do you understand what I just said?"


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