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....................WILLIAM BUNDY (b. 1630 Amexbury Wiltshire England) (d. 1692 Pasquotank County, NC) (first in US, family head)
....................................v
SAMUEL BUNDY ---bros.-------- CALEB BUNDY I
(1676/1677 - 1740)
............v.................................................v
JOSIAH BUNDY..........................JOHN BUNDY
(1700/01-1760)
............v.................................................v
JOSEPH BUNDY I.....................CALEB BUNDY II
......(1738-1762)
............v.................................................v
JOSEPH BUNDY II................CHRISTOPHER BUNDY
......(1762-1808)
............v.................................................v
JESSE BUNDY.................JOHN CHRISTOPHER BUNDY
...(1792-1850)
............v.................................................v
ISAAC BUNDY..........................CHARLES H BUNDY
..(1814-1908)
(b. Lawrence, IN)
(d. Edwail, WA)
............v.................................................v
ABRAHAM BUNDY.............JOHN CULPEPPER BUNDY
(3/30/1859-
7/31/1946)
(b. Shannon IL)
(d. Mohave Co. AZ).................................v
ROY BUNDY..................TED BUNDY (b. 11/24/1946 Burlington, Vermont; d. executed January 24,
........................................1989, Florida State Prison)
............v
DAVID AMMON BUNDY
............v
CLIVEN BUNDY
............v
AMMON BUNDY




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Yeah, no. Wikipedia's your friend sometimes.
Ted Bundy was born Theodore Robert Cowell on November 24, 1946, to Eleanor Louise Cowell (1924–2012; known as Louise) at the Elizabeth Lund Home for Unwed Mothers[8] in Burlington, Vermont. His father's identity has never been confirmed. His birth certificate is said to assign paternity to a salesman and Air Force veteran named Lloyd Marshall,[9] though other accounts state his father is listed as "Unknown".[10] Louise claimed she had been seduced by an old money war veteran named Jack Worthington,[11] and the King County Sheriff's Office has him listed as the father in their files.
In 1950, Louise changed her surname from Cowell to Nelson,[9] and at the urging of multiple family members, she left Philadelphia with her son to live with cousins Alan and Jane Scott in Tacoma, Washington.[24] In 1951, Louise met Johnny Culpepper Bundy (1921–2007), a hospital cook, at an adult singles night at Tacoma's First Methodist Church.[25] They married later that year and Johnny Bundy formally adopted Ted.


Ted is no relation to the Bundy pootenany.


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Estiveo wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:05 pm Yeah, no. Wikipedia's your friend sometimes.
Ted Bundy was born Theodore Robert Cowell on November 24, 1946, to Eleanor Louise Cowell (1924–2012; known as Louise) at the Elizabeth Lund Home for Unwed Mothers[8] in Burlington, Vermont. His father's identity has never been confirmed. His birth certificate is said to assign paternity to a salesman and Air Force veteran named Lloyd Marshall,[9] though other accounts state his father is listed as "Unknown".[10] Louise claimed she had been seduced by an old money war veteran named Jack Worthington,[11] and the King County Sheriff's Office has him listed as the father in their files.
In 1950, Louise changed her surname from Cowell to Nelson,[9] and at the urging of multiple family members, she left Philadelphia with her son to live with cousins Alan and Jane Scott in Tacoma, Washington.[24] In 1951, Louise met Johnny Culpepper Bundy (1921–2007), a hospital cook, at an adult singles night at Tacoma's First Methodist Church.[25] They married later that year and Johnny Bundy formally adopted Ted.


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This is NOT from Wikipedia. Much of this is from Mormon records. NONE of it is from Wikipedia. As I stated earlier, I've got a lot more information to come, explaining what you just posted, like for example the consistant reports that Ted was a product of his Grandfather and Mother.


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Then where did I just now copy/paste it from?

Don't you think if Ammon & Ryan & Cliven were related to one of the most notorious serial killers ever that it would be rather widely known?

I'm sorry, but this is purest bullshit.


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Estiveo wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:09 pm Then where did I just now copy/paste it from?

Don't you think if Ammon & Ryan & Cliven were related to one of the most notorious serial killers ever that it would be rather widely known?

I'm sorry, but this is purest bullshit.
This is from Mormon & Immigration Records, NOT "Wikipedia."


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I was curious about this years ago and checked it out. Ted the serial killer was not related to the NV Bundys.


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scirreeve wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:12 pm I was curious about this years ago and checked it out. Ted the serial killer was not related to the NV Bundys.
Mormon & Immigration records state otherwise.


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Doesn't make it any less bullshit. And it's bullshit. You've put out some occasionally sketchy stuff in your time here, but you've mostly been welcome for your "insight" into the Seim clan.

But this codswallop, to me, calls into question the reliability of everything else you've posted.

Again: bullshit.


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Ted's Great Great Great Great Great Grandfather and Clive's Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandfather were brothers, sons of William Bundy, who immigrated to North Carolina from England in the 1600s.


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jadedmonk wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:15 pm
scirreeve wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:12 pm I was curious about this years ago and checked it out. Ted the serial killer was not related to the NV Bundys.
Mormon & Immigration records state otherwise.
There are many articles about this. Here is one of the many.
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainm ... s-mom-dad/


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scirreeve wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:20 pm
jadedmonk wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:15 pm
scirreeve wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:12 pm I was curious about this years ago and checked it out. Ted the serial killer was not related to the NV Bundys.
Mormon & Immigration records state otherwise.
There are many articles about this. Here is one of the many.
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainm ... s-mom-dad/
Noted, and I saved the page, but I prefer hard copy.


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That last post is for those of you who, oddly, seem to prefer Websites over hardcopy for some reason. I have hundreds more, and Bio files on most of them gathered from decades' worth of research.

But, as I suspected earlier on this form:
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They're not blood relations. Nobody knows who Ted Bundy's biological father was, much less who his biological greatnth grandfather was. If there's 6 to 8 generations back before you find a common ancestor, it's a pretty tenuous relationship if it was by blood, which it isn't.

Ted is no relation to Cliven's brood. Trying to make him one is an exercise in mental masturbation.

Again, it's bullshit.

But if anyone here wants to get a hardon over it, fap yourself silly for all I care. It's still bullshit.


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Estiveo wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:39 pm They're not blood relations. Nobody knows who Ted Bundy's biological father was, much less who his biological greatnth grandfather was. If there's 6 to 8 generations back before you find a common ancestor, it's a pretty tenuous relationship if it was by blood, which it isn't.

Ted is no relation to Cliven's brood. Trying to make him one is an exercise in mental masturbation.

Again, it's bullshit.

But if anyone here wants to get a hardon over it, fap yourself silly for all I care. It's still bullshit.
The fact that Ted's "adoptive" Father is part of the bloodline is a matter of public record, as is other information I have presented here in birth, death, and immigration records not to mention those of the Mormon "church."

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Mental. Masturbation.


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Estiveo wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:43 pm Mental. Masturbation.
Your insults aren't logical debate, they are just insults. This is precisely why I didn't post such information earlier. However, your uncivil, illogical, and unwarranted behavior just motivates me to post more.

...you know, you remind me a lot of Gavin...


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Yeah, Mormon genealogical records are a nice resource, but you need to take them with a grain of salt and verify everything with source documents. They have a tendency to make connections between individuals with little or no documented connections for the purpose of "sealing" them to get them into heaven.


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bbflatt wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:48 pm Yeah, Mormon genealogical records are a nice resource, but you need to take them with a grain of salt and verify everything with source documents. They have a tendency to make connections between individuals with little or no documented connections for the purpose of "sealing" them to get them into heaven.
That there is a great point. Which is why I cross-index them with birth & death records. That being said, both can be fudged (and I have seen ample proof of ancestral records (in the US and other Countries) of being fudged. Then you have to ask yourself cui bono when said event is discovered, which in turn can lead down other rabbit holes.

Personally, I trust the State records more than I do the Mormon ones.




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...Regardless, most of my future discussion will be regarding the Samuel Bundy family line, (Ammon's family line), rather than the Caleb Bundy family line (Theodore (aka "Ted") Bundy's family line).

The Samuel Bundy line is extremely well documented, the Caleb Bundy family line is much more obscured, and that's before you even get into the "who is the real father" discussion. More on that later.

The bigger point here is that the Bundy family (those descended from William Bundy originally from Amesbury England) is full of eccentricities that, when connected like an IHOP connect the dots kid's menu, begin to present a very ugly picture.


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Cliven & Ted were both born in 1946. Show that they had any interaction, or were even aware of each other's existence, and there might be a there there. But their closest relation, via adoption, was about 7 generations back.

Ted's adoptive father was born in North Carolina. The two branches of this very extended family had a continent between them. There is no evidence either family ever had any interaction.

I'm a blood relation to two great-something uncles who sailed with Jean Lafitte; this does not make me a pirate.

Tying Ted Bundy to Cliven & his spawn is meaningless bullshit for no good purpose except mental masturbation.

Cliven Bundy & his elk are odious enough. There's no point in tying them to a serial killer who is no blood relation, and with whom there is no proof they ever interacted, much less had any mutual awareness.


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Some partially related trivia (note the Mexico connection):

1901 Oct Edward Bunker leaves Bunkerville to help establish a new Mormon colony, Colonia Morelos, Sonora, Mexico. He dies on 17th November.

Abraham Bundy and family move to the Mormon Colonia Morelos. (Note that another source records Abraham Bundy as selling his ranch in Beaver Dam/Littlefield in 1906 before moving to Mexico, but this appears to be wrongly dated).

1907 Sep 5 Roy Bundy, Cliven’s grandfather, marries Doretta Marie Iverson from Littlefield in the St George Temple, Washington County, Utah, and they go back to Mexico. They eventually have 11-12 children, including David Ammon, Cliven’s father.


1912 Abraham Bundy and family leave the Colonia Morelos polygamous community during the Mexican Revolution, stay in a cabin belonging to one of his brothers in Lincoln County, Washington; move to La Grande, Oregon for a couple of months before moving to Kaolin, Nevada; ending up at Mount Trumbull in 1916 (Note that a different family historian places them in Oregon in 1910 in the town of La Grande). Two of Roy’s children are recorded as being born in Nevada in 1913 or 1914, and 1915.

1916 Abraham Bundy and family arrive in the Hurricane Valley on the Arizona strip. Abraham is credited with helping to establish the remote community of Bundyville, otherwise known as Mount Trumbull, according to a history of the Arizona Strip on the Northern Arizona University website. Abraham and his five sons, including Cliven’s grandfather Roy, file homestead claims under the Stock-Raising Homestead Act (1916). Between 1925 and 1940, the family patent (bring into private ownership) close to 4,000 acres in the area and raise cattle.

Dec 29 The Stock-Raising Homestead Act increases the size of a homestead to 640 acres for ranching.

1922 Mar 22 Cliven’s father David Ammon Bundy is born in Mount Trumbull.


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scirreeve wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:12 pm I was curious about this years ago and checked it out. Ted the serial killer was not related to the NV Bundys.
I'm going to clarify (some might say correct) my earlier response to this post:

According to the official story of the bloodlines, you are right Ted was adopted wasn't raised by his Father. (From all appearances and matters of public records).

In other words scirreeve, if that's what your main point was, you were of course correct.

I'm not going to debate whether that's true or not we know who Ted's real bloodline is, because of course as you seemed to infer, no one knows for sure, especially me. At least, no one outside the family knows for sure, and I'm beginning to think that there's no one left alive who does any longer either.

Regardless of who Ted's real father was, we know by whom he was raised, and that is highly relevant to further info I intend to present.


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Uninformed wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:17 pm Some partially related trivia (note the Mexico connection):

1901 Oct Edward Bunker leaves Bunkerville to help establish a new Mormon colony, Colonia Morelos, Sonora, Mexico. He dies on 17th November.

Abraham Bundy and family move to the Mormon Colonia Morelos. (Note that another source records Abraham Bundy as selling his ranch in Beaver Dam/Littlefield in 1906 before moving to Mexico, but this appears to be wrongly dated).

1907 Sep 5 Roy Bundy, Cliven’s grandfather, marries Doretta Marie Iverson from Littlefield in the St George Temple, Washington County, Utah, and they go back to Mexico. They eventually have 11-12 children, including David Ammon, Cliven’s father.


1912 Abraham Bundy and family leave the Colonia Morelos polygamous community during the Mexican Revolution, stay in a cabin belonging to one of his brothers in Lincoln County, Washington; move to La Grande, Oregon for a couple of months before moving to Kaolin, Nevada; ending up at Mount Trumbull in 1916 (Note that a different family historian places them in Oregon in 1910 in the town of La Grande). Two of Roy’s children are recorded as being born in Nevada in 1913 or 1914, and 1915.

1916 Abraham Bundy and family arrive in the Hurricane Valley on the Arizona strip. Abraham is credited with helping to establish the remote community of Bundyville, otherwise known as Mount Trumbull, according to a history of the Arizona Strip on the Northern Arizona University website. Abraham and his five sons, including Cliven’s grandfather Roy, file homestead claims under the Stock-Raising Homestead Act (1916). Between 1925 and 1940, the family patent (bring into private ownership) close to 4,000 acres in the area and raise cattle.

Dec 29 The Stock-Raising Homestead Act increases the size of a homestead to 640 acres for ranching.

1922 Mar 22 Cliven’s father David Ammon Bundy is born in Mount Trumbull.
Great post, thanks.


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I should also add after that Mexico etc. post that my sources were quite clear that the Seim's have connections with the Mormons in Mexico, including those who were part of the 2019 attack in Mexico.


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I have also uncovered evidence here (in MX) that would support the previous defunct forum's discussions about the Ammo clan having issues with Gavin.


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