Iowa Caucus / New Hampshire & South Carolina Primaries

[Dave from down under]

A couple of bags of “none of these POS”

[neonzx]

A couple of bags of “none of these POS”

A caucus runs quite different than a typical election. There are no voting machines nor paper ballots to scan. You don't walk in, cast a vote, and walk out. Many of these caucuses happen at private homes in rural areas of Iowa with10-16 people perhaps.

It is way diff than an election that most know.

[Suranis]

It should be mentioned that turnout was down by 70,000 from 2016. Republican turnout was 115,000, down from 186,000 in 2016. It was not a blowout and numbers were severely down even with his fanatics being told to come out in force even if it killed them. Which means there were less fanatics to come out.

[much ado]

It should be mentioned that turnout was down by 70,000 from 2016. Republican turnout was 115,000, down from 186,000 in 2016. It was not a blowout and numbers were severely down even with his fanatics being told to come out in force even if it killed them. Which means there were less fanatics to come out.

The thrill is gone.

[Suranis]

The thrill is gone.

I'm sorry!

[much ado]

The thrill is gone.

I'm sorry!

I just meant that the thrill that Republicans once felt for Donald Trump is largely gone. Almost half of Republican Iowans in one of the reddest states voted AGAINST Trump. A lot of mainstream news outlets are crowing about how well Trump did, but the real story is how POORLY he did amongst Republicans. The MAGA movement is in trouble.

It is SO SAD!!

[pipistrelle]

It was cold, and who wants to go out in the cold to vote for someone crowing they'll get 100 percent of the vote, or it's RIGGED?

[Suranis]

We'll see what the turnout in the rest of the Primaries will be, I guess. But as I mentioned the amount of people manfully going out there to brave the cold to vote for THEIR PRESIDENT is down. It's the fact that the total primary numbers were down as well that masked it.

[Dave from down under]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-16/ ... /103324746

With his Iowa Republican primary win, Donald Trump has created another reality, where facts and logic don't rule

[raison de arizona]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-16/ ... /103324746

With his Iowa Republican primary win, Donald Trump has created another reality, where facts and logic don't rule

Donald Trump: “What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening”

[Volkonski]

Trump: NBC, CNN should have ‘licenses or whatever’ pulled for not airing Iowa speech

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4413 ... press.coop

Former President Trump says NBC and CNN should be taken off the air for their decision to not air in full the speech he gave in Iowa following his win in Monday’s caucuses.

“We were talking about her show and how corrupt the press is, and last night it was amazing,” Trump said during separate remarks to a crowd in New Hampshire on Tuesday night. “NBC and CNN refused to air my victory speech. Think of it — because they are crooked. They’re dishonest, and frankly, they should have their licenses or whatever they have: Take it away.”

MSNBC did not show any of Trump’s speech, something that has become a regular practice for the network since his presidency ended three years ago.

“There is a reason that we and other news organizations have generally stopped giving an unfiltered live platform to remarks by former President Trump,” said Rachel Maddow, a leading pundit, on its air Monday night as he was speaking. “It is not out of spite. It is not a decision that we relish. It is a decision that we regularly revisit, and honestly, earnestly.”

Calling it “not an easy decision,” Maddow continued: “There is a cost to us as a news organization of knowingly broadcasting untrue things. And that is a fundamental truth of our business and who we are.”

CNN meanwhile aired some of Trump’s remarks, before cutting away when he began using what anchor Jake Tapper called “anti-immigrant rhetoric.”

Fox News carried Trump’s remarks, as did a number of other media outlets.

[bob]

New Hampshire has been called (and not for Haley).

Haley's best bet at this point is going for the "beating expectations" route, to explain why she's earned the right to more second-place finishes.

[neonzx]

Well Joe Biden won as a write-in, so there is that.

[bob]

Well Joe Biden won as a write-in, so there is that.

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(I don't believe write-ins for Uygur will be counted, what with New Hampshire booting him off the ballot and all that.)

Marianne Williamson is currently trailing all write-ins.

[SuzieC]

Dean Phillips lost even though he was the only candidate on the ballot.

[MN-Skeptic]

Dean Phillips lost even though he was the only candidate on the ballot.

I read that some other place too, but I just read in The Washington Post that Marianne Williamson was on the ballot too. She came in a distant third to Biden and Phillips.

[SuzieC]

Oh, OK. I didn't think Marianne had qualified for the ballot. So sad.

[much ado]

I just checked the NH SoS web site. Here's a page where you can pull up a sample ballot.

https://www.sos.nh.gov/elections/sample-ballots

The one I looked at had 21 democratic candidates for president.

[MN-Skeptic]

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I just went out to the New Hampshire Secretary of State's website and viewed a sample ballot for the Democratic primary. There are 21 names on the ballot, including Paperboy Love Prince from Brooklyn and Vermin Supreme from Massachusetts.
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[bob]

Don't forget President Boddie!

I mean, it is just a title; it is also his name.

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

Yet another missed Fogbow opportunity!

[Luke]

Didn't pay attention to this yesterday, but this was no blowout:

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After lots of time watching the MAGA GOP self-destruct, it's time for Democrats and Independents to start getting busy. Republicans have lost 5 elections in a row (2018, 2020, 2 GA Senate seats in 2021, and "red trickle" in 2022). This is the last time DJT is going to be on a ballot. Let's give him the sendoff he deserves.

After Trump’s NH win, Biden gets the opponent he wants
The president’s campaign gears up for a Trump rematch
By JONATHAN LEMIRE, ELENA SCHNEIDER and HOLLY OTTERBEIN 01/24/2024 05:00 AM EST

MANCHESTER, New Hampshire — The general election has all but begun — and it’s the race President Joe Biden’s team wanted.

Former President Donald Trump’s victory in the New Hampshire primary Tuesday dealt a blow to the hopes of his strongest challenger and strengthened Trump’s hold on his party’s nomination. Biden’s reelection team took Trump’s win over Nikki Haley as the starting gun for what will now be the longest and most grueling general election campaign in modern American political history.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/2 ... s-00137429

[Luke]

This is a really sweet wrapup. Didn't watch the speeches, but sounds like the dotard went nuts. So much for the kinder, gentler Iowa speech.

Trump fumes in victory, Haley spins in defeat: Takeaways from New Hampshire

New Hampshire's voters last night drove home a rare consensus between Donald Trump, President Biden's campaign, and top Republicans in Congress: The GOP primary is over, and it's time for the general election to begin.

Why it matters: There's one problem — Nikki Haley, who appeared headed to a double-digit loss to Trump late Tuesday, used her concession speech to insist that the race is "far from over." A disgusted Trump lashed out in response, dropping any pretense of civility as he ripped Haley as an "imposter" standing in his way.

3 takeaways from New Hampshire

1. Haley celebrates second-place finish — in a two-person race.

You wouldn't know it from the tone of her speech, but the former UN ambassador's path to the nomination is virtually non-existent after she failed to win in moderate New Hampshire, the most favorable state for her on the early primary map. "Today, we got close to half of the vote," an upbeat Haley declared to the raucous crowd at her watch party, where she vowed to challenge Trump next month in her home state of South Carolina and beyond.

Even with her odds evaporating, Haley delivered one of the sharpest speeches of her campaign — calmly needling Trump over his court cases, mental competence, refusal to debate, and his record of losing the 2020 election and backing several losing candidates in the 2022 midterms. "The first party to retire its 80-year-old candidate is going to be the party that wins this election," the 52-year-old Haley quipped in a shot at both Trump, 77, and Biden, 81.

2. Trump goes scorched earth.

Haley's speech clearly got under the skin of the GOP front-runner, who unleashed a torrent of grievance-filled posts on Truth Social before taking the stage for a victory speech that was overshadowed by his anger. "You can't let people get away with bulls**t. And when I watched her in the fancy dress that probably wasn't so fancy, I said, 'What's she doing? We won,'" Trump said. Ironically, Trump repeated many of his false claims about past elections — including that he won New Hampshire in 2020 — while calling Haley "delusional" for acting as if she had a good night. Demanding that Haley drop out, Trump went on to say that she would "be under investigation" if she won — ominously suggesting there are skeletons in Haley's closet that "she doesn't want to talk about."

3. Biden's campaign embraces the general election.

Fresh off his own write-in victory in New Hampshire, Biden issued a statement declaring that it is "now clear that Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee" and that "the stakes could not be higher." Earlier in the night, news broke that Biden was shaking up his campaign's leadership — dispatching top White House aides Jen O'Malley Dillon and Mike Donilon to take over the operation in Delaware. Trump is the presidential matchup that Bidenworld has been rooting for. But a drawn-out primary in which Haley continues to highlight the former president's vulnerabilities also would be welcomed. As Trump told Fox News: "If [Haley] doesn't drop out, we have to waste money instead of spending it on Biden, which is our focus."

What to watch: Haley has 31 days to decide whether she wants to risk humiliation in the South Carolina primary, where polls suggest Trump has a big lead — or embrace what appears to be inevitable.

The bottom line: Haley's donors will be making a similar calculation.

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/24/new-ha ... -takeaways

[Foggy]

She didn't win.

But his whole world is based on lying about reality. I'll allow her to spend from now until South Carolina pretending she won New Hampshire.

Fair is fair.

[keith]

The important thing is to make him keep spending.