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John Durham's Investigation & Hannity's Delusional Operation Boomerang

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Is it too early in this story for :horse: ?

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Marcy was on Morning Joe today -

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Here's the full Morning Joe segment. Matt Schlapp is such a tool.
Matt Schlapp @mschlapp·21m
President Trump revealed that his campaign was spied on and corporate media called it a conspiracy theory. Evidence has now been revealed that he was indeed spied on and the media is simply ignoring it. And these are the people who lecture us about misinformation.

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That's ridiculous & disingenuous, Matt. The data precedes Trump. And it's not evidence, it's a filing before a trial. Kash Patel is wailing about what he claims is a new disclosure from John Durham. But Patel's known about this for years. It's nothing -- like we've seen before.
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It's outrageous that John Durham created this massive frothy chaos. There's a dude on Twitter who just spammed me like 25 link tweets with all of them going wild with accusations and disinformation.

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Sussman (& @emptywheel) are absolutely right. John Durham has done an epically incompetent investigation. They ginned you up for more Failure. Wait till the judge rules on his motion along with his Fri filing for Dismissal. You will be Charlie Brown with Lucy's football - again.

This is the topic that Mike spammed tons of links to everybody from Jenna Ellis to Steve Scalise, it's nuts.



On another note, check out this remarkable young journalist. Empty Wheel commented on him and Scott's video is compelling. He's deep in the true Russian collusion that was going on with oligarchs. They lawfared him by suing in London. While the RW screams about Durham, they are using it to distract from what's really happening.


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I don't know if this got posted above, but Sussman's response to the "angry Ham."



https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 37.0_1.pdf
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Hadn't seen it. Thanks, Chili!
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Hills kicks off the rebukes of the insanity :boxing:
Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton

Trump & Fox are desperately spinning up a fake scandal to distract from his real ones. So it's a day that ends in Y.

The more his misdeeds are exposed, the more they lie.

For those interested in reality, here's a good debunking of their latest nonsense.


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NEWS‘A Day That Ends in Y’: Hillary Clinton Issues Rare Rebuke of Donald Trump for ‘Desperately Spinning Up a Fake Scandal’
Published on February 16, 2022 at 04:20 PM ET By David Badash

Former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is striking back at Donald Trump, the disgraced former president and her 2016 presidential opponent. Trump and the far-right-wing media silo, including Fox News, has been wrongly spinning a legal filing from special counsel John Durham – reportedly mischaracterizing it in the process.

“Trump & Fox are desperately spinning up a fake scandal to distract from his real ones,” tweeted Clinton, who also served as a U.S. Senator, and First Lady.

“So it’s a day that ends in Y.”

Clinton also exposed Trump and his allies’ playbook: “The more his misdeeds are exposed, the more they lie.”

“For those interested in reality, here’s a good debunking of their latest nonsense,” Clinton added.

She pointed to a detailed and amusing Vanity Fair article from the highly-respected Bess Levin: “You’ll Never Believe It but Hillary Clinton Did Not, in Fact, Spy on Trump’s White House.”
https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.c ... e-scandal/

Here's the linked article from Vanity Fair:
YOU’LL NEVER BELIEVE IT BUT HILLARY CLINTON DID NOT, IN FACT, SPY ON TRUMP’S WHITE HOUSE
In less breaking news, Donald Trump remains a moron.
BY BESS LEVIN FEBRUARY 15, 2022

Imagine, if you will, that a special counsel appointed by the federal government declared in a court filing that he had evidence that a major political figure—let’s call her Hillary Clinton—had paid spies to infiltrate the White House and run surveillance on Donald Trump in order to frame him as a foreign asset. The whole thing would be a big flipping deal! One for which there would be major, major consequences and far-reaching fallout. The country, nay, the world would be gripped by the story, and for good reason—a former candidate for office spying on the president? In the White House? That would be crazy! And you’re right—it would be crazy if something like that had actually happened. Which it didn’t, though unfortunately for reason, logic, and the concept of the truth, Donald Trump, Fox News, and various other deranged conservatives cannot be convinced of that.

Yes, as you’ve probably heard, on Saturday the former president released a statement claiming “Special Counsel Robert Durham”—he meant to say “John Durham” but was apparently too angry to keep his Johns and his Roberts straight—had uncovered “indisputable evidence that my campaign and presidency were spied on by operatives paid by the Hillary Clinton Campaign in an effort to develop a completely fabricated connection to Russia,” a “scandal far greater in scope and magnitude than Watergate” for which Trump suggested those involved should be executed but would settle for criminal prosecution. The problem? Neither Robert Durham nor John Durham nor anyone else for that matter had actually provided evidence of any such crime, let alone even suggested it.
Per The New York Times:

When John H. Durham, the Trump-era special counsel investigating the inquiry into Russia’s 2016 election interference, filed a pretrial motion on Friday night, he slipped in a few extra sentences that set off a furor among right-wing outlets about purported spying on former President Donald J. Trump. But the entire narrative appeared to be mostly wrong or old news—the latest example of the challenge created by a barrage of similar conspiracy theories from Mr. Trump and his allies.

The latest example began with the motion Mr. Durham filed in a case he has brought against Michael A. Sussmann, a cybersecurity lawyer with links to the Democratic Party. The prosecutor has accused Mr. Sussmann of lying during a September 2016 meeting with an F.B.I. official about Mr. Trump’s possible links to Russia. The filing was ostensibly about potential conflicts of interest. But it also recounted a meeting at which Mr. Sussmann had presented other suspicions to the government. In February 2017, Mr. Sussmann told the C.I.A. about odd internet data suggesting that someone using a Russian-made smartphone may have been connecting to networks at Trump Tower and the White House, among other places.
According to the filing, Sussmann had gotten his information from technology executive Rodney Joffe, whose company, Neustar, had performed server-related work for the White House. In Durham’s estimation, Joffe and his colleagues had “exploited this arrangement by mining [certain records] for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump.” Fox News took this line from Durham’s filing and ran with it, claiming Durham had said he had found that the Clinton campaign had paid the technology company to “infiltrate” White House servers. The lack of similarly baseless claims from the mainstream media led Trump to declare “The press refuses to even mention the major crime that took place. This in itself is a scandal, the fact that a story so big, so powerful and so important for the future of our nation is getting zero coverage from LameStream, is being talked about all over the world.”

Strangely, there wasn’t a lot of fact-checking going on down at Mar-a-Lago, but the actual reason that the “LameStream” media hadn’t covered the story was likely because, as the Times notes: (1) Sussmann’s conversation with the CIA had already been reported last October (2) Durham never once said anything about the White House being “infiltrate[d]” (3) the special counsel also never claimed the Clinton campaign had paid Joffe’s company and (4) perhaps most importantly, “the filing never said the White House data that came under scrutiny was from the Trump era.” In fact, lawyers for the data scientist who helped develop the data analysis in question, say this happened during— wait for it—Barack Obama’s presidency.

“What Trump and some news outlets are saying is wrong,” attorneys Jody Westby and Mark Rasch told the Times. “The cybersecurity researchers were investigating malware in the White House, not spying on the Trump campaign, and to our knowledge all of the data they used was nonprivate DNS data from before Trump took office.” In other words, Trump and company got the whole thing hilariously, mortifyingly incorrect. But fear not: We’re sure they’ll issue a lengthy correction and heartfelt apology to the people whose reputations they impugned—and the ones Trump suggested should be put to death—in no time.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02 ... use-spying
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Re: John Durham's Investigation & Hannity's Delusional Operation Boomerang

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Supposedly, Sussmann has filed a motion to dismiss today.

I haven't found a link to it, yet.
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Chilidog wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:06 pm Supposedly, Sussmann has filed a motion to dismiss today.

I haven't found a link to it, yet.
'extraordinary prosecutorial overreach' - DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO DISMISS THE INDICTMENT FOR FAILURE TO STATE AN OFFENSE AND MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT
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Thanks RdA
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Empty Wheel and others predicted Sussman would file tomorrow, he was a day ahead of schedule. :thumbsup:
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Ordinarily, a motion to dismiss because the prosecutor is a big ole poopyhead would be dennied.

But this is not an ordinary case by any means. :popcorn:


A motion to dismiss for failure to state a case (aka, a demurrer) in a criminal case is unusual but not unheard of.
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Thinking about the NY State decision today vs the Durham filing last Friday, I truly and sincerely hope that John Durham didn't start his circus to try to distract from what just happened. Can't imagine he did, but it sure is strange. Empty Wheel said it had to do with statutes of limitations and going to stick with that. But bizarre DL2XIT was calling for folks to be put to death over Durham right before he and the kids have to go testify. Maybe too cynical.
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orlylicious wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:51 pm Thinking about the NY State decision today vs the Durham filing last Friday, I truly and sincerely hope that John Durham didn't start his circus to try to distract from what just happened. Can't imagine he did, but it sure is strange. Empty Wheel said it had to do with statutes of limitations and going to stick with that. But bizarre DL2XIT was calling for folks to be put to death over Durham right before he and the kids have to go testify. Maybe too cynical.
It is absolutely related. This is what they do.
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Derpham colluding with tRump? Say it ain't so!
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Too cynical? No such thing with this crew!

Durham, IIRC, had finished his investigation shortly before the election but had nothing to show. Barr gave him further instructions.

IMHO, OSG is just being an opportunist, as always, using this kerfluffle to sow yet more doubt and mistrust.
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Others seem to be thinking the same thing.

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Durham's response to Sussmann's motion to dismiss.
https://pacer-documents.s3.amazonaws.co ... 059450.pdf
If third parties or members of the media have overstated, understated, or otherwise
misinterpreted facts contained in the Government’s Motion, that does not in any way undermine
the valid reasons for the Government’s inclusion of this information.
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raison de arizona wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:28 pm Durham's response to Sussmann's motion to dismiss.
https://pacer-documents.s3.amazonaws.co ... 059450.pdf
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The way I read this it is not a response to Sussman's Motion to Dismiss but is a response to another Motion to Strike filed earlier by the defense. I believe they moved strike the paragraph's in Durham's earlier filing that have been twisted by conservative media outlets to say that Clinton and Obama spied on Trump.
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The more I read about this investigation and prosecution the more I believe Robert John Durham is a political hack and needs to be let go. IMHO :fingerwag:
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Reality Check wrote: Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:00 am
raison de arizona wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:28 pm Durham's response to Sussmann's motion to dismiss.
https://pacer-documents.s3.amazonaws.co ... 059450.pdf
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The way I read this it is not a response to Sussman's Motion to Dismiss but is a response to another Motion to Strike filed earlier by the defense. I believe they moved strike the paragraph's in Durham's earlier filing that have been twisted by conservative media outlets to say that Clinton and Obama spied on Trump.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp
Anyone watching Fox News this week was told that Hillary Clinton’s campaign had been caught spying on former President Donald Trump. This was reported across many Fox News programs as fact, with some hosts adding exotic frills to the story. More reputable news outlets were quick to pour cold water on the assertion. Some even called out Fox News for being either stupid or willfully misinforming their viewers.

The evidence for Fox News’s breathless and repeated “worse than Watergate” claim was a late Friday filing from Special Counsel John Durham that focused on one-time Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussman.

A good example of Fox’s sensationalized coverage were these comments from Jesse Watters, made on Monday:

Durham’s documents show that Hillary Clinton hired people who hacked into Trump’s home and office computers before and during his presidency, and planted evidence that he colluded with Russia.

Yeah. You heard that right. Hillary broke into a presidential candidate’s computer server and a sitting president’s computer server, spying on them. There, her hackers planted evidence, fabricated evidence connecting Trump to Russia, then fed that doctored material to the feds and the media.

Durham’s filing did not show this – at all. What’s more, as New York Times reporter Charlie Savage pointed out, the right-wing media narrative surrounding the filing was “mostly wrong or old news.” Indeed, the Times had reported on it last year.
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So what happened? Mediaite reached out to Fox News to ask if the network no longer felt the bombshell that Hillary Clinton spied on Trump was newsworthy, or if they no longer believe that it’s true. Fox News has not replied.

In a column published earlier this week, I asked how real journalists could compete with a network such as Fox News that was so comfortable reporting falsehoods. The fact that the network has apparently ceased covering a story that they got so unbelievably wrong, without any public statement acknowledging it, just proves the point I made in that column.
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So this dropped yesterday, and no one cares.

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/f ... Filing.pdf
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Chilidog wrote: Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:19 pm So this dropped yesterday, and no one cares.

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/f ... Filing.pdf
Much of the response - including the reliance on Gaudin for the proposition that materiality is a jury question - reads like standard USAO fare. However, I find it odd that Durham doubles down and accuses Sussman of telling similar lies about the identity of his client to the CIA in early 2017. The statute of limitations for charging that alleged false statement expired a few weeks ago. Maybe Durham is crazy like a fox, but the whole exercise seems like Kabuki theater.
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jcolvin2 wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:06 am
Chilidog wrote: Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:19 pm So this dropped yesterday, and no one cares.

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/f ... Filing.pdf
Much of the response - including the reliance on Gaudin for the proposition that materiality is a jury question - reads like standard USAO fare. However, I find it odd that Durham doubles down and accuses Sussman of telling similar lies about the identity of his client to the CIA in early 2017. The statute of limitations for charging that alleged false statement expired a few weeks ago. Maybe Durham is crazy like a fox, but the whole exercise seems like Kabuki theater.
I am not a constitutional scholar by any means, but it seems to me that Durham is flirting with, if not outright violating the 6th amendment.

Help me out here.

Specificly, would Sussman's right to a speedy trial be violated by Durham's backdoor prosecution of events of the February 9 2017 meeting after the expiration of the SOL?

Secondly, why should Durham be allowed to make claims of facts based on events that can not be adjudicated? Would this not violate Sussman's right to confront the witnesses against him?
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