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AFAIK, It cant happen with Covid as it does not have a complete virus inside it. They basically have the Protein Spike to give the immune system something to recognize, and that's it.

Of course, Daddy Nature being what it is, if might be possible for another virus to get that spike attached and start mutating in some weird way. Who the hell knows at this point?
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Yes, the chat about polio vaccines was because it's interesting (to some!), not suggesting the same could happen with SARS-CoV-2. I don't think inactivated (killed) virus vaccines have gone rogue, certainly manufacturers assay each batch to confirm that it contains no viable virus.

I don't know if theoretically RNA from the mRNA vaccines could get incorporated into another virus's RNA, but it's highly unlikely as it should need a series of very improbable and extremely precise splicing accidents, and then the inserted piece has the wrong sense (like the positive of s photograph when a negative is required) so won't work.

Protein vaccines, no danger at all. Vector vaccines: there are theoretical possibilities but the vector virus has been engineered to make that unlikely, it's nobbled.
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A completely difference disease, but if I'm remembering correctly, Typhoid Mary was one of those gut-producers, in that she was completely asymptomatic but, as a cook who didn't wash her hands after using the toilet, she kept infecting the families she worked for and, when she refused to stop working as a cook, she ended up imprisoned.

The same thing happened 25 or 30 years ago when we had a bad outbreak of hepatitis, at least in the midwest. I forget which strain. It was because restaurant workers weren't washing their hands. I believe that's when the "employees must wash hands before returning to work" signs all popped up.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... vid-biden/
The White House on Wednesday announced its plan to roll out coronavirus vaccines for children ages 5 to 11, pending the vaccine’s approval by federal health officials, which the Biden administration anticipates will happen within weeks.

White House officials said they have secured enough doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech pediatric vaccine for the country’s 28 million children in that age group and have been working with local jurisdictions to make sure they will be ready to distribute and administer the shots for free.

“Today the Biden Administration is announcing a plan to ensure that, if a vaccine is authorized for children ages 5-11, it is quickly distributed and made conveniently and equitably available to families across the country,” the White House said in a statement.

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Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-disease specialist, said in a briefing Wednesday that vaccinating children is key to reducing the impact of the virus for everyone in the United States. The delta variant has changed things, he said, and a recent paper showed children are getting infected and transmitting the virus as readily as adults, even though 50 percent of them are asymptomatic.

“If we can get the overwhelming majority of those 28 million children [5 to 11] vaccinated, I think that would play a major role in diminishing the spread of infection in the community,” Fauci said. “That’s one of the reasons why we want to do as best as we can to get those children 5 to 11 vaccinated.”
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Well that's $100 that could have better uses.
Moderna won't share its vaccine recipe. WHO has hired an African startup to crack it

Fans of the television series The Great British Bake Off have long marveled at the skill contestants show during the dreaded "technical challenge" — for which they are given a basket with all the ingredients needed to make a highly unusual dish but a set of instructions that are often as vague as, "Bake until ready." Now a team of scientists at a pharmaceutical startup in South Africa is essentially confronting the same type of test — except the stakes are life and death.

The World Health Organization has hired the company, called Afrigen Biologics and Vaccines, as part of a $100 million plan to figure out how to make an mRNA vaccine against COVID that is as close as possible to the version produced by Moderna.
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As to why WHO has chosen to try to copy Moderna rather than the other mRNA COVID vaccine, which is made by Pfizer BioNTech, Friede says the choice was practical.

"Moderna has reiterated on several occasions that they will not enforce their intellectual property during the pandemic," says Friede. In other words, a manufacturer probably won't face a lawsuit for producing a vaccine that's virtually identical to Moderna's.
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raison de arizona wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:43 pm Well that's $100 that could have better uses.
Moderna won't share its vaccine recipe. WHO has hired an African startup to crack it

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https:// www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/ ... -has-begun
$100 million ;)

This lab has much ahead of itself. First creating a lab facility that can handle mRNA, and find the researchers that know what they are speaking about. Ahh - and find researchers of human biology, not veterinarians. Should they get a result in about 18 months (I guess it's possible if sufficiently qualified staff is available in S.Africa) then they have to find the sponsors (Bill Gates Foundation?) to extrapolate the lab conditions to industrial levels. And train the specialized staff, even when much will be automated. If fast tracked, another 6 months if all goes well. Let's neither forget the scientific trial period that this newly developed vaccine needs to go thru and acceptance in the various countries (will everyone just accept the word of the WHO?). Then let's see how the rollout happens, someone will have to pay even this startup for the ongoing production costs. And all those poor countries, the access to the vaccine will still have to be paid for although hopefully cheaper. Least but not last someone will have to build the infrastructure for them by that time, they are lacking already now and unable to set up themselves.
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Whether pharma companies bleat about their generosity in occasionally providing relatively low cost drugs to poorer countries, this should be shoved in their faces. "Did you help Africa?", "We told them they could buy our vaccine at unaffordably high prices, that's helping isn't it?"

Africa needs to develop its own pharma capabilities, both research facilities and production sites. If this initiative takes them in that way, even if they don't replicate the Moderna, some good will have come out of it. As RTH says, it's a long, difficult and expensive path.
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NPR Article wrote:For instance, just 5% of people in Africa have gotten a full dose even as wealthy countries have vaccinated well above half of their populations.
That's where I have a problem, when people blindly accuse others of taking advantage of a situation. This is a pandemic, a first of its kind in over a century. Of course the nations that had the facilities and the knowhow to develop a vaccine and financed the efforts will first look for their own people. These efforts are not a free giveaway for the whole planets population. I agree that there may be an ethical border, that when a majority of the own population is vaccinated one looks to support other folks, but to date only about 50% of the "own" have received their vaccination. IMHO the ethical border may be considered reached when the local infection and hospitalization numbers stabilze. IMHO its generally up to the poorer nations to create favourable conditions that will make local research in general and pandemic research especially viable. One cannot accuse the richer countries for their success.
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Nice show of "I'm-all-right-Jack"ism RTH! It's Africans' own fault they're poor?

Blame Africans because they weren't enthusiastic enough about accepting imposed models of government designed to benefit their former imperial masters, not their own traditions, social structures, needs or resources. Whitey knows best?

I'm sure you know the economic, epidemiological and social justice arguments for helping Africa to move forward, so I won't try to repeat them. Your message is clear: those people are far away and very poor, so any effort which risks reducing local rich white privilege by the tiniest fraction should be unacceptable.

Even when it's not an either/or situation. It's not a zero-sum game, not at all.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... id-vaccine
The Fox News host Neil Cavuto has “begged” viewers to toss out political talking points about Covid-19 vaccinations and get the shot.

“My God, stop the politics,” he told the network’s Media Buzz show.

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Cavuto is immunocompromised, with multiple sclerosis and after open heart surgery.

“I feel very strongly,” he said, in his first interview since testing positive himself. “I know we live in this hyper-politicised age. When people get vaccinated, I know you know a lot of people say that’s a private decision. I get that, I appreciate that, but I’d like to urge people of all sorts, please get vaccinated.”
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I guess it's good he's speaking out, but I'd be a lot happier if he'd call out Carlson to his face.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/26/fda-pan ... to-11.html
A key Food and Drug Administration advisory committee on Tuesday recommended a lower dose of Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine for children ages 5 to 11, a critical step in getting some 28 million more kids in the U.S. protected against the virus as the delta variant spreads.

The endorsement by the agency’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee will now be considered by the FDA, which could issue a final decision within days. The vote was nearly unanimous with 17 backing it and one abstention.

The agency doesn’t always follow the advice of its independent committee, but it often does. Next week, a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention vaccine advisory group is expected to make its own recommendation. If it issues an endorsement and CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky signs off, shots for young kids could begin immediately.
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I posted this in early March, and I'm posting it again for Foggy's benefit. At tonight's Zoom meeting he mentioned that he got his shot throw a round bandage. This is what he was talking about -

Retired Bowling Green doctor invents bandage making vaccines more sanitary
“I became aware that people were actually transferring bloodborne pathogens when they were giving injections,” Dr. Watson explained. He went on to say that just using rubber gloves during the administration of a shot was not enough, and he wanted to create a way healthcare workers to be certain there was no change bloodborne pathogens would be spread.

The bandage is circular, with an adhesive membrane. A nurse cleans the patient’s arm, applies the Barrier Bandage, and then administers the shot right through the bandage. It then acts immediately as a band-aid to catch and conceal any fluids from the broken skin.

“The Barrier Bandage is constructed of a self-sealing, non-coring, elastomeric membrane. which is another way of saying once the needle passes through the barrier, it reseals preventing any fluid from coming out,” Mark Harris said. Harris is the CEO of Inject-Safe™ Barrier Bandages.

Overall Harris said the product is a safer, quicker, and more affordable way to administer a vaccine.

Because the bandage is already on the patient after they are injected, the healthcare worker can focus more on disposing of the sharp needle, and avoiding accidentally sticking the patient a second time.

“Something that is really important is the reduction of needlesticks. Because you’re focused solely on giving the injection and disposing of the needle, you no longer have to go back to the patient and place a bandage on the patient," Harris explained.
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That's what I had both times at Sam's Club. I thought it was cool! Someone on here knew about it and gave me information about it, and it seems like such a better idea for all vaccines.
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I love it, thank you MN-Skeptic! Very high tech, you know I love high tech. I told ol' Wifehorn she's a woman of the 21st century. And the Barrier Bandage was really easy to remove after an hour or so.

I shall accept nothing less in the future. :mrgreen:
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It was definitely easier to remove. I also noticed that.
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“Covid: Double vaccinated can still spread virus at home”:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59077036
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Uninformed wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:50 pm “Covid: Double vaccinated can still spread virus at home”:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59077036
It has really never been said loud that people with a breakthru case are just simply a carrier as if they had never been vaccinated. As such they can be a source of again spreading the virus.Their immediate environment needs to be isolated.
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RTH10260 wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:11 pm
Uninformed wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:50 pm “Covid: Double vaccinated can still spread virus at home”:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59077036
It has really never been said loud that people with a breakthru case are just simply a carrier as if they had never been vaccinated. As such they can be a source of again spreading the virus.Their immediate environment needs to be isolated.
Actually, in the US anyway, virus transfer from break-through cases to the unvaccinated has been fully covered: from the right wing screams of "it doesn't work!" to a thousand doctors and epidemiologists to the COVID Response Team and Doctor Fauci, who've been talking about it every week and providing the latest date on the subject, hot off the presses, for months.
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p0rtia wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:21 pm
RTH10260 wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:11 pm
Uninformed wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:50 pm “Covid: Double vaccinated can still spread virus at home”:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59077036
It has really never been said loud that people with a breakthru case are just simply a carrier as if they had never been vaccinated. As such they can be a source of again spreading the virus.Their immediate environment needs to be isolated.
Actually, in the US anyway, virus transfer from break-through cases to the unvaccinated has been fully covered: from the right wing screams of "it doesn't work!" to a thousand doctors and epidemiologists to the COVID Response Team and Doctor Fauci, who've been talking about it every week and providing the latest date on the subject, hot off the presses, for months.
Fauci confuses me at times. They need a new spokesperson. Fauci is viewed as the enemy by the trumpistas. What he says falls on deaf ears to that segment of the people.
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They're deaf.
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