Titan Submersible Vessel

[Suranis]

I remember reading about teh Navys' souper sekret listening system in "the Hunt for Red October."

Honestly, I wouldn't put it past the Navy etc to lie about hearing this thing in order to buff their mystique a little bit. But either way there's no reason we should have learned about it

[RVInit]

[RVInit]

They don't even stop to think. It's just whatever stupid stuff falls out of their mouths.

I have also been seeing people claim that this is an example of the destructive power of wokeness, because apparently the CEO said something about too many old white guys in the industry and need for 'diversity', even though his idea of 'diversity' was 'young white guys and people who are not experts'.. the standard antiestbalishment 'we should be in charge' kind.

Yes, they are focusing on the "white male" part of what Rush said. He said he didn't want a bunch of "50 year old white males". He was talking mostly about the people who would be piloting the expeditions to some of the wrecks that are at far less depth and people who would be more forward facing. He wanted to attract younger people to the field and thought the typical 50 year old white male doesn't speak to younger folks. Most of his crew appeared to be white, and most of them male. It was mostly the age part that he was concerned with. The OceanGate website has been taken down, but when it was still up it revealed that there were very few non-white employees. He grabbed 22 year old right out of college types. Some females in the mix.

[RTH10260]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O5F4ZVlIac
How Titan was Built, Lost and Found

Objection Your Honor? The vessel was not actually found, only scattered debris from what was once a going concern.

[AndyinPA]

They don't even stop to think. It's just whatever stupid stuff falls out of their mouths.

I have also been seeing people claim that this is an example of the destructive power of wokeness, because apparently the CEO said something about too many old white guys in the industry and need for 'diversity', even though his idea of 'diversity' was 'young white guys and people who are not experts'.. the standard antiestbalishment 'we should be in charge' kind.

Yes, they are focusing on the "white male" part of what Rush said. He said he didn't want a bunch of "50 year old white males". He was talking mostly about the people who would be piloting the expeditions to some of the wrecks that are at far less depth and people who would be more forward facing. He wanted to attract younger people to the field and thought the typical 50 year old white male doesn't speak to younger folks. Most of his crew appeared to be white, and most of them male. It was mostly the age part that he was concerned with. The OceanGate website has been taken down, but when it was still up it revealed that there were very few non-white employees. He grabbed 22 year old right out of college types. Some females in the mix.

Cheaper to pay, too.

[raison de arizona]

Found this an interesting thread on interpretation of the implosion sound.

That’s a great thread, thanks for sharing.

[raison de arizona]

Missing Titanic Sub Once Faced Massive Lawsuit Over Depths It Could Safely Travel To
Court documents reveal a former OceanGate employee had several safety complaints over the tourist submersible—and then he was fired.

The tourist submersible that went missing while exploring the Titanic wreck was previously the target of safety complaints from an employee of OceanGate, the parent company that owns the sub and runs tourist expeditions of the wreck. That employee complained specifically that the sub was not capable of descending to such extreme depths before he was fired.

That’s according to legal documents obtained by The New Republic. According to the court documents, in a 2018 case, OceanGate employee David Lochridge, a submersible pilot, voiced concerns about the safety of the sub. According to a press release, Lochridge was director of marine operations at the time, “responsible for the safety of all crew and clients.”

The concerns Lochridge voiced came to light as part of a breach of contract case related to Lochridge refusing to greenlight manned tests of the early models of the submersible over safety concerns. Lochridge was fired, and then OceanGate sued him for disclosing confidential information about the Titan submersible. In response, Lochridge filed a compulsory counterclaim where he alleged wrongful termination over being a whistleblower about the quality and safety of the submersible.

Lochridge, in his counterclaim, alleged that “rather than addressing Lochridge’s concerns, OceanGate instead summarily terminated Lochridge’s employment in efforts to silence Lochridge and to avoid addressing the safety and quality control issues.”

The counterclaim said that:

Given the prevalent flaws in the previously tested 1/3 scale model, and the visible flaws in the carbon end samples for the Titan, Lochridge again stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths. The constant pressure cycling weakens existing flaws resulting in large tears of the carbon. Non-destructive testing was critical to detect such potentially existing flaws in order to ensure a solid and safe product for the safety of the passengers and crew.

Over the course of the next several days, Lochridge worked on his report and requested paperwork from the Engineering Director regarding the viewport design and pressure test results of the viewport for the Titan, along with other key information. Lochridge was met with hostility and denial of access to the necessary documentation that should have been freely available as part of his inspection process.

At the meeting Lochridge discovered why he had been denied access to the viewport information from the Engineering department—the viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters. Lochridge learned that the viewport manufacturer would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to experimental design of the viewport supplied by OceanGate, which was out of the Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy (“PVHO”) standards. OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the required depth of 4,000 meters.

https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/mis ... -oceangate

[Suranis]

The BBC oushes a final angle to try and push the "tragedy" and cone across... flat.

Basically the teenager who died had contacted Guinness World Records because he wanted to get a world record by solving a Rubiks Cube next to the Titanic, so he brought a Rubics cube down with him and *sob* his mother says he never got the chance to get his world record... He even learned how to solve a Rubiks Cube to do it. *cry*

I may be petty and so on but fuck sake. That just seems... Pathetic? I dont have the proper word but I'm just facepalming here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66015851

Teenager on sub took Rubik's Cube to break record, mother tells BBC

Published 4 hours ago

[neonzx]

Well, young 19yo Suleman did not complete his Rubik's Cube challenge. Maybe he can get a consolation prize for the youngest person to die at the Titanic burial grounds since the original wreck??

(Is neon being mean again?)

[bill_g]

Is there a Guinness Record for the number of people earning a Darwin Award at the same time?

[RVInit]

Well, young 19yo Suleman did not complete his Rubik's Cube challenge. Maybe he can get a consolation prize for the youngest person to die at the Titanic burial grounds since the original wreck??

(Is neon being mean again?)

The really sad part is that he didn't even want to go. He was reportedly terrified, but his father wanted to have this experience with his son so bad that he couldn't disappoint his father. This information came from his mother who was interviewed on one of the news media and she made this statement on air. It's a tragedy all around, but that part is particularly heartbreaking. He went for his father's sake on Father's Day.

[Kriselda Gray]

The really sad part is that he didn't even want to go. He was reportedly terrified, but his father wanted to have this experience with his son so bad that he couldn't disappoint his father. This information came from his mother who was interviewed on one of the news media and she made this statement on air. It's a tragedy all around, but that part is particularly heartbreaking. He went for his father's sake on Father's Day.

Was the dad with him?

[RVInit]

The really sad part is that he didn't even want to go. He was reportedly terrified, but his father wanted to have this experience with his son so bad that he couldn't disappoint his father. This information came from his mother who was interviewed on one of the news media and she made this statement on air. It's a tragedy all around, but that part is particularly heartbreaking. He went for his father's sake on Father's Day.

Was the dad with him?

Yes, this was the father and son that were in the submersible. The father was apparently really gung ho and the son told his mother he was terrified and he admitted to her that he didn't really want to go. But he went because it was Father's Day and he knew it was so important to his father who wanted it to be a special father/son thing. I guess he tried to make the most of it with the Rubik's cube thing. The mother didn't say if her son ever admitted to his father that he wasn't keen on going and was terrified, but I was left with the impression that the father never knew his son actually didn't really want to go.

[neonzx]

The really sad part is that he didn't even want to go. He was reportedly terrified, but his father wanted to have this experience with his son so bad that he couldn't disappoint his father. This information came from his mother who was interviewed on one of the news media and she made this statement on air. It's a tragedy all around, but that part is particularly heartbreaking. He went for his father's sake on Father's Day.

Yes, I read that. And the father and daughter were supposed to go on an earlier tour, but the mission was scrubbed for weather or something.

Sadness everywhere. Yeah, the son was scared. (rightfully)

[neonzx]

When wealthy adventurers take huge risks, who should pay for rescue attempts?

https://apnews.com/article/titanic-tour ... 090fd9311b

When millionaire Steve Fossett’s plane went missing over the Nevada range in 2007, the swashbuckling adventurer had already been the subject of two prior emergency rescue operations thousands of miles apart.

And that prompted a prickly question: After a sweeping search for the wealthy risktaker ended, who should foot the bill?

In recent days, the massive hunt for a submersible vehicle lost during a north Atlantic descent to explore the wreckage of the Titanic has refocused attention on that conundrum. And with rescuers and the public fixated first on saving and then on mourning those aboard, it has again made for uneasy conversation.

“Five people have just lost their lives and to start talking about insurance, all the rescue efforts and the cost can seem pretty heartless — but the thing is, at the end of the day, there are costs,” said Arun Upneja, dean of Boston University’s School of Hospitality Administration and a researcher on tourism.

“There are many people who are going to say, ‘Why should the society spend money on the rescue effort if (these people) are wealthy enough to be able to ... engage in these risky activities?’”

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[Maybenaut]

When wealthy adventurers take huge risks, who should pay for rescue attempts?

https://apnews.com/article/titanic-tour ... 090fd9311b

When millionaire Steve Fossett’s plane went missing over the Nevada range in 2007, the swashbuckling adventurer had already been the subject of two prior emergency rescue operations thousands of miles apart.

And that prompted a prickly question: After a sweeping search for the wealthy risktaker ended, who should foot the bill?

In recent days, the massive hunt for a submersible vehicle lost during a north Atlantic descent to explore the wreckage of the Titanic has refocused attention on that conundrum. And with rescuers and the public fixated first on saving and then on mourning those aboard, it has again made for uneasy conversation.

“Five people have just lost their lives and to start talking about insurance, all the rescue efforts and the cost can seem pretty heartless — but the thing is, at the end of the day, there are costs,” said Arun Upneja, dean of Boston University’s School of Hospitality Administration and a researcher on tourism.

“There are many people who are going to say, ‘Why should the society spend money on the rescue effort if (these people) are wealthy enough to be able to ... engage in these risky activities?’”

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[Foggy]

... he didn't really want to go. But he went because it was Father's Day and he knew it was so important to his father who wanted it to be a special father/son thing.

They are from Pakistan. Is Father's Day a big deal in Pakistan?

Also too, I tend to let my fambly decide how (or whether) to celebrate Father's Day. It isn't a thing where dads force their kids to do something they don't want to do. That's kind of the opposite of a good dad, imho. Especially if you kill yourself and your son.

[Mrich]

They are from Pakistan. Is Father's Day a big deal in Pakistan?

Don't know, but they lived in the UK.

[AndyinPA]

They are from Pakistan. Is Father's Day a big deal in Pakistan?

Don't know, but they lived in the UK.

I think the son had grown up most of his life in the UK. Early on, I read that the family was prominent in the UK, was known for their philanthropy and the causes they supported. All three adults had serious interest in the history of the Titanic; one of them was the head of the Titanic Trust (?), charged with protecting the items that have been brought up from the bottom. It was suggested that he might not have paid the $250,000 fee for the trip. The article was on WaPo. I'll see if I can find it.

It's been a few weeks, so I could be remembering a few things wrong.

[Sam the Centipede]

Re the cost: in Europe, commentators and public have noted the contrast between the massive multi-agency effort put into hunting for these few rich folk on a thrillseeking jaunt and the lackluster response to the frequent drownings of desperate migrants in the Mediterranean Sea as their small, overcrowded boats capsize, especially a very recent tragedy near Greece.

My personal reaction was one of indifference to the submersible problems, but I feel real sympathy for the lad who didn't want to go and his mother, who has lost both partner and child. That is sad.

I remember the tension of the Apollo 13 accident and its journey home, and being personally engaged with that, whereas this left me fairly cold. But Apollo 13 was many years ago, I was much younger and probably a different and less cynical person.

[somerset]

Re the cost: in Europe, commentators and public have noted the contrast between the massive multi-agency effort put into hunting for these few rich folk on a thrillseeking jaunt and the lackluster response to the frequent drownings of desperate migrants in the Mediterranean Sea as their small, overcrowded boats capsize, especially a very recent tragedy near Greece.

My personal reaction was one of indifference to the submersible problems, but I feel real sympathy for the lad who didn't want to go and his mother, who has lost both partner and child. That is sad.

I remember the tension of the Apollo 13 accident and its journey home, and being personally engaged with that, whereas this left me fairly cold. But Apollo 13 was many years ago, I was much younger and probably a different and less cynical person.

The Apollo program was a also genuine exploration effort, pushing the boundaries of science and engineering, and generally changing the world for the better. OceanGate (why do I keep thinking "Heaven's Gate" when I see that name) didn't do squat to advance anything. It was just a fly-by-night adventure tourism outfit looking to make a name and a few bucks for itself.

[Kriselda Gray]

I remember the tension of the Apollo 13 accident and its journey home, and being personally engaged with that, whereas this left me fairly cold. But Apollo 13 was many years ago, I was much younger and probably a different and less cynical person.

Plus Apollo 13 wasn't just a bunch of rich guys on a joy ride. They were an actual scientific mission with a specific purpose, representing our country at a time when exploratory superiority meant something different than it seems to today. The astronauts underwent significant training and had to be in proper shape before being allowed to go on the trip, and the vessel was the best science could build at that time, with safety a prime concern.

The Titan was almost a polar opposite - it's only purpose was for one guy to make money and the others to achieve personal glory, in a time where such extreme trips are becoming almost common beacuse it's too easy to buy your way into an adventure. The "explorers" had little to no training, and safety of design wasn't a concern.

I can easily understand being caught up in the saga of Apollo 13. The Titan, not so much.

[AndyinPA]

The link to the article about the people onboard the Titan, gifted.

https://wapo.st/3JvAv6l

[raison de arizona]

The Onion strikes again!

Critics Say Submersible Should’ve Been Tested With Poorer Passengers First

WASHINGTON—Analyzing the mistakes OceanGate made that led to the vessel’s disappearance, critics told reporters Thursday that the submersible should have been tested with poorer passengers first. “The company skipped the very crucial step of sending five lower-class people to the bottom of the ocean to make sure it was safe enough for the wealthy,” said Otto Scofield, a member of the Marine Technology Society, adding that no one with a net worth above $50,000 should have been in the submersible. “OceanGate made the mistake of not using minimum wage workers and unemployed people on government welfare programs to test the seaworthiness of the craft, which was not billionaire-ready. Running more trials with some homeless people would have made all the difference, and the deaths of several wealthy people could have been prevented.” Scofield continued that using children of color from impoverished families would have been ideal as more would have been able to fit inside the submersible.

https://www.theonion.com/critics-say-su ... 1850566314

[Volkonski]

Titanic tourist sub photos show wreckage being brought ashore

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canad ... gn=KARANGA

Parts of the tourist submersible that imploded on a deep dive to the Titanic, killing five people, have been seen for the first time since the incident.

Metal wreckage from the Titan sub was unloaded from the Horizon Arctic ship in St John's, Canada, on Wednesday.

Photographs showed metal pieces from the sub covered in tarps before cranes lifted them on to trucks.

US Coast Guard officials have said the submersible's landing frame and a rear cover were found among the debris.

All five people on board the vessel died on 18 June after it imploded about 90 minutes into a dive to view the famous 1912 shipwreck, which sits at a depth of 3,800m (12,500ft) in the north Atlantic.

The submersible's construction included two titanium end caps and a carbon fibre cylinder between them.

The debris brought ashore on Wednesday appeared to include both end caps, including the sub's porthole with its window missing, as well as landing legs and the end equipment bay, BBC News science correspondent Jonathan Amos said.