A General thread for 2024 Presidential Elections

[raison de arizona]

I question whether Haley has ever actually spoken to a teen based on these comments

Nikki Haley says she thinks teens will understand why TikTok is being banned when it's explained to them

[Slim Cognito]

I understand TikTok and other social media apps being banned on business phones public or private. but is it really that big a deal on a teen's phone?

[bob]

The Hill: Democratic presidential candidate Cenk Uygur raises more than $250K since campaign launch:

Democratic presidential candidate and host of “The Young Turks” show Cenk Uygur has reportedly raised more than $250,000 since launching his White House bid against President Biden in early October.

* * *

Book author Marianne Williamson (D) brought in more than $820,000 between July and September.

Beats working.

[bob]

Or not: AP: Arkansas rules online news personality Cenk Uygur won’t qualify for Democratic presidential primary:

Reed Brewer, a spokesman for the Arkansas Democratic Party, said based on past court rulings, the party didn’t have authority to determine whether Uygur was eligible for the ballot.

“Because of the vagaries of state law, rejecting a filing is simply not an option for us,” Brewer said.

Brewer said he didn’t know whether the party would refund Ugyur his $2,500 filing fee.

"For completeness": Election Law Blog: Arkansas Secretary of State blocks would-be presidential candidate Cenk Uygur from the ballot.

[RTH10260]

[bob]

Fla. Phoenix: Decision to put only Biden’s name on the FL ballot in March 2024 spawned a federal lawsuit:

Other Democrats are challenging President Joe Biden for the party’s nomination

A Tampa attorney has filed a federal lawsuit against the Florida Democratic Party (FDP) for placing only President Joe Biden’s name on the ballot for the March 2024 presidential primary election in Florida. Other Democrats challenging Biden for the party’s nomination were excluded.

Democratic Party officials now say that because Biden was the only candidate placed on the ballot, state election law dictates that he has already been declared the automatic winner of the primary, and the race will not be on the ballot next year.

Florida Secretary of State Cord Byrd is also listed as a defendant in the lawsuit.

The legal challenge has been filed by lawyer Michael Steinberg, a former chair for the Hillsborough County Democratic Executive Committee and former candidate for congress and the Florida Legislature.

In his five-page lawsuit filed on Dec. 5 in the U.S. District Court for the Northern Division of Florida, Steinberg claims that his constitutional rights as a voter have been violated by the Democrats’ decision to exclude the name of Minnesota Congressman Dean Phillips from the ballot, calling it “arbitrary and capricious” and in violation of his due process and equal protection rights. He also says that the statutory procedure governing ballot access is unconstitutional.

Phillips also intends to file a challenge with the Democratic National Committee and the FDP next week for being denied access to the ballot in Florida , according to a report from the Semafor news platform. A spokesperson for the Phillips campaign told the Florida Phoenix on Friday that “we’re still working to finalize the lawsuit, but do expect to file early next week.”

In his lawsuit, Steinberg says that the Democratic Party of Florida cannot dispute that Phillips is a nationally recognized candidate for president.

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“The process to be on the Florida ballot has been publicly available on our website. It clearly states that the Florida Democratic Party’s primary ballot is submitted to the Secretary of State by November 30, 2023,” Eden Giagnorio, communications director for the party told the Phoenix in a written statement last week. “This is the standard process. The State Executive Committee meets to vote to place candidates on the presidential primary ballot at the Florida Democratic Party’s State Convention every four years.”

Giagnorio said the three candidates did not receive any votes from the State’s Executive Committee in late October and that’s why they are not on the primary ballot. Party officials did not respond to news of the lawsuit.

FDP officials also said that it is the responsibility of their Executive Committee to approve candidates to be considered for their presidential primary, and that only Biden received votes when they met on October 29 of this year.

Steinberg may reasonably disagree with the FDP's decision, but I don't think a lawsuit will be able to resolve those differences. Especially one filed in federal court; there will be standing issues.

[bob]

Grifter gotta.

(Uygur filed in Oklahoma; the inevitable rejection by election officials will follow.)

[Slim Cognito]

It's not like Biden would have won OK under any circumstances so

[bob]

"We'll see" if the SoSoMN pushes back on Uygur's facial ineligibility.

[bob]

P&E: A Five-Paragraph Treatise on nbC:

As confirmed by Publius – Alexander Hamilton – in Federalist 68, the Founders sought to erect the highest* available barrier to the potential for the insinuation of foreign influence into the “chief magistracy” – the presidency – of the new Republic, selecting the term “natural born Citizen” as a strong restriction on eligibility as “hinted” by John Jay in his July 25, 1787 letter to Constitutional Convention Chair George Washington;

The highest available barrier in 1787 to the potential for the insinuation of foreign influence into the presidency was that found in § 212 of Book I, Ch. 19, “The Law of Nations” (1758) by Swiss lawyer, jurist and scholar Emer de Vattel, defining a “natural born citizen”** as a person born on the soil of a country to parents both of whom were already citizens of that country;

The U.S. Supreme Court stated in Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875), that the Founders understood, under the nomenclature of the time and without any doubt, that a person born here to parents both of whom were already U.S. citizens was a “natural born Citizen,” but also adding that there were “doubts”*** as to whether the same nbC status could properly be accorded to persons born here regardless of their parents’ citizenship;

A definition of an nbC which accords nbC status to persons born anywhere, even beyond U.S. soil, if one or the other parent – but not necessarily both, either of which might be a dual citizen – is a U.S. citizen, producing a “citizen at birth” or a “citizen by birth,” presents a much lower barrier to the potential for insinuation of foreign influence into the presidency than does a higher barrier incorporating the de Vattel § 212 nbC definition, which ensures exclusive and undivided allegiance to the United States alone;

It defies logic – and in factual reality is both illogical and counterintuitive – to accept that the Founders would have consciously adopted a lower “foreign influence insinuation” barrier when a known, higher barrier existed and in particular one which, as confirmed by the Supreme Court, was in the Founders’ view free of any “doubt” as to its import or meaning.

* Federalist Papers No. 68, of course, says no such thing. And Jay (who was not a Framer) suggested in his letter that there be only "a strong check," and not "the highest available barrier."

** de Vattel never wrote the words "natural born citizen."

*** Because literally no one doubts that those born in the United States to two citizens parents is a natural-born citizen.

[keith]

https://t witter.com/TomPolhaus/status/1735026247867228308
"We'll see" if the SoSoMN pushes back on Uygur's facial ineligibility.

Who is this Martin guy?

Is he a state official? Why is he exicted? Seems to be a silly emotion for an official announcement like this.

[raison de arizona]

https://t witter.com/TomPolhaus/status/1735026247867228308
"We'll see" if the SoSoMN pushes back on Uygur's facial ineligibility.

Who is this Martin guy?

Is he a state official? Why is he exicted? Seems to be a silly emotion for an official announcement like this.

Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party(DFL) Chair | Association of State Democratic Committees(ASDC) President | Democratic National Committee (DNC) Vice-Chair

[keith]

https://t witter.com/TomPolhaus/status/1735026247867228308
"We'll see" if the SoSoMN pushes back on Uygur's facial ineligibility.

Who is this Martin guy?

Is he a state official? Why is he exicted? Seems to be a silly emotion for an official announcement like this.

Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party(DFL) Chair | Association of State Democratic Committees(ASDC) President | Democratic National Committee (DNC) Vice-Chair

Thanks. Stilla silly way to make such an announcement IMHO.

Honored fine. Pleased, fine.

And who did the certifying? Him personally or the committee? I just find the announcement off putting and unprofessional.

There are worthier things to worry about though.

[MN-Skeptic]

https://t witter.com/TomPolhaus/status/1735026247867228308
"We'll see" if the SoSoMN pushes back on Uygur's facial ineligibility.

Who is this Martin guy?

Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party(DFL) Chair | Association of State Democratic Committees(ASDC) President | Democratic National Committee (DNC) Vice-Chair

By the way, in Minnesota the Democratic Party goes by the title Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party. Not a big deal, just a Minnesota thing.

[bob]

The Hill: Long-shot candidates battle to get on state ballots:

“The Young Turks” founder has been rejected, for now, from appearing on ballots in states including Nevada, Arkansas and New Hampshire, but he will be included in Oklahoma’s presidential primary.

“Oklahoma’s rock solid,” Uygur said about the state that was friendly to fellow progressive Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in 2016. “We asked in every conceivable way. They say we are definitively on the ballot. They even did a ballot order. And two different papers in Oklahoma confirmed. We are definitely on the ballot.”

Given Uygur's previous lies, I'll believe it when I see it (from a state official).

[realist]

The Hill: Long-shot candidates battle to get on state ballots:

“The Young Turks” founder has been rejected, for now, from appearing on ballots in states including Nevada, Arkansas and New Hampshire, but he will be included in Oklahoma’s presidential primary.

“Oklahoma’s rock solid,” Uygur said about the state that was friendly to fellow progressive Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in 2016. “We asked in every conceivable way. They say we are definitively on the ballot. They even did a ballot order. And two different papers in Oklahoma confirmed. We are definitely on the ballot.”

Given Uygur's previous lies, I'll believe it when I see it (from a state official).

[raison de arizona]

VIVEK: “Van Jones should just shut the f*ck up”

[bob]

Texas:


Vermont:


Uygur gotta Uygur.

[AndyinPA]

Time to get serious. Go.

[p0rtia]

Cenk Uygur. Biden team is nervous.

Riiiiight.

I used to regularly watch Cenk's show (always attracted to my fellow lefties on the universal-basic-income/income cap fork of the spectrum).

He always knew how to put his slant on political stories, but Oooh, Mr. Donkey is nervous about the ant is really sad. He was never sad.

[RTH10260]

[bob]

Cenk for America: Cenk Uygur Sues South Carolina Over Ballot Discrimination Citing Civil Rights Act:

Today, presidential candidate Cenk Uygur filed a complaint in the federal district court of South Carolina for injunctive relief requiring the South Carolina State Election Commission to place his name on the ballot for the state’s Presidential Preference Primary on February 3, 2024.

The South Carolina Democratic Party previously rejected Mr. Uygur’s petition for placement on the ballot citing their Ballot Access Statute and Delegate Selection Plan. They also refused to refund his $20,000 filing fee. Mr. Uygur, a naturalized American citizen who immigrated to the United States from Turkey when he was 8 years old, cites the fact that the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment applies to “all persons born or naturalized” to counter the outdated notion of disqualification based on being a “natural born citizen.” The suit argues this clause in the original constitution has been both explicitly and implicitly repealed by the 14th Amendment.

However, Uyrgur’s lawsuit goes further in noting that the South Carolina State Election Commission is a program that received over $1 million in federal assistance in 2023 and that it intentionally discriminated against Mr. Uygur based on national origin. Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits federally assisted programs from discriminating against a person based on race, color, or national origin. Uygur, and a Democratic voter from South Carolina, are also suing on First Amendment grounds. Both the candidate and voters have been denied their right to freedom of speech and freedom of association. The case therefore argues the Ballot Access Statute and the Delegate Selection Plan are both illegal and blatantly unconstitutional.

Well, at least Uygur finally sued somebody. (Allegedly; Uygur of course didn't provide any links to anything.)

This smells like it is really about the $20,000.

[Ben-Prime]

Kinda wanna see the SC Commission responsible send a video response fanning themselves with a few crisp Benjamin Franklins. Just because Cenk has started to annoy me.

[bob]

Kinda wanna see the SC Commission responsible send a video response fanning themselves with a few crisp Benjamin Franklins. Just because Cenk has started to annoy me.

[bob]

I have the opportunity to vote in either the AIP's or Libertarian's presidential primary, and all of their candidates are booooooring.

Don't make me write in Orly Taitz (again).