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raison de arizona wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:10 am He gives away the game at the end, he was never going to watch it anyway.
https: //twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1570156771016065025
Jason Campbell @JasonSCampbell wrote: Daily Wire host says it is unscientific to cast a Black person as a mermaid: “From a scientific perspective, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have someone with darker skin who lives deep in the ocean”
https://mediamatters.org/daily-wire/dai ... on-mermaid
So this moron thinks it's too unsciencey for black mermaids, but mermaids in general are entirely possible. And clearly he hasn't spent much time looking at the markings on fish or whales or sharks.
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Sam the Centipede wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:46 am Slightly off, slightly on topic: I was curious what debates might have happened when Star Trek was first rebooted. A Black Klingon, fine, more roles for Black actors. But now are all Klingons to be Black?
I noticed more Black actors were playing Klingons (Michael Dorn, Tony Todd) but not all Klingons were portrayed by Black actors (e.g., Robert O'Reilly). The Klingons didn't have apparent "races," and I never thought about it at the time. But I can imagine some right winger Trekkies/ers working themselves into a tizzy.

I'm sure more was made of Tuvok, who was obviously different from Sarek and Spock. I may have vague recollections.
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Dear busterbunker and busterbunker's mom,

https://www.vox.com/culture/21437879/st ... ontroversy
A history of “wokeness”
Stay woke: How a Black activist watchword got co-opted in the culture war.


Before 2014, the call to “stay woke” was, for many people, unheard of. The idea behind it was common within Black communities at that point — the notion that staying “woke” and alert to the deceptions of other people was a basic survival tactic. But in 2014, following the police killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, “stay woke” suddenly became the cautionary watchword of Black Lives Matter activists on the streets, used in a chilling and specific context: keeping watch for police brutality and unjust police tactics.

In the six years since Brown’s death, “woke” has evolved into a single-word summation of leftist political ideology, centered on social justice politics and critical race theory. This framing of “woke” is bipartisan: It’s used as a shorthand for political progressiveness by the left, and as a denigration of leftist culture by the right.

On the left, to be “woke” means to identify as a staunch social justice advocate who’s abreast of contemporary political concerns — or to be perceived that way, whether or not you ever claimed to be “woke” yourself. At times, the defensiveness surrounding wokeness invites ironic blowback. Consider the 2020 Hulu comedy series Woke, which attempted to deconstruct the identity politics behind ideas like “wokeness,” only to garner criticism for having an outdated and too-centrist political viewpoint — that is, for not being woke enough.

On the right, “woke” — like its cousin “canceled” — bespeaks “political correctness” gone awry, and the term itself is usually used sarcastically. At the Republican National Convention in August, right-wing Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) scolded “woketopians,” grouping them together with socialists and Biden supporters, as though the definition of a “woketopian” was self-evident.

But as use of the word spreads, what people actually mean by “woke” seems less clear than ever.

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Buttigieg awards big fed grant to dismantle racist highway

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Thu, September 15, 2022 at 11:52 AM

WASHINGTON (AP) — A long-delayed plan to dismantle Interstate 375, a 1-mile (1.6-kilometer) depressed freeway in Detroit that was built by demolishing Black neighborhoods 60 years ago, was a big winner of federal money Thursday, the first Biden administration grant awarded to tear down a racially divisive roadway.

The $104.6 million is among $1.5 billion in transportation grants handed out to 26 projects nationwide thanks to increased funding from the 2021 bipartisan infrastructure law.

It allows Michigan to move forward on its $270 million effort to transform the stretch in Detroit into a street-level boulevard, reconnecting surrounding neighborhoods and adding amenities, such as bike lanes. Black Bottom and Paradise Valley, two of the city's predominantly African American neighborhoods, were razed as part of the 1950s creation of an interstate highway system, displacing 100,000 Black residents and erecting a decades-long barrier between the downtown and communities to the east.

Hailed by city and state leaders as helping rectify a past racial wrong, the federal money represents a key first step that advocacy groups say will inspire dozens of citizen-led efforts underway in other cities to dismantle highways. Still, advocates cautioned that Michigan's plan to build a six-lane city boulevard risks simply replacing one busy roadway with another. Long-time Black residents, meanwhile, say they will be priced out of the city by new business development and shiny condo buildings that promise direct links to downtown.

After years of planning dating back to 2013, the highway removal is now estimated to begin as soon as 2025, two years earlier than expected, with construction finished by 2028.



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raison de arizona wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:10 am He gives away the game at the end, he was never going to watch it anyway.
Jason Campbell @JasonSCampbell wrote: Daily Wire host says it is unscientific to cast a Black person as a mermaid: “From a scientific perspective, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have someone with darker skin who lives deep in the ocean”
https://mediamatters.org/daily-wire/dai ... on-mermaid
But let's go back to the 'original source material' ... the second you're okay with a mermaid giving up the fishtail to woo a human man, you're already acknowledging that SOMEONE in that relationship is something other than vanilla cis-het. Because either the mermaid is trans (she was not, after all, born a human female) or the dude is into bestiality (because she's 'actually' still a fish-creature). So, yeah. These people just can fuck all the way off, then fuck off some more.

ETA: In case it wasn't clear, I don't subscribe to the need to nitpick the magic out of the story, and see nothing wrong with the relations in it except, you know, the occasional gullibility and susceptibility to first impressions of the usual caricature characters. :)
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I think it would be easier to accept proof that mermaids actually existed, whatever their colour, than to accept the attitudes of these aholes.
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Indeed investigated this job posting and removed it. But whoa, Nelly!
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I am just loving that they are so snooty about wanting perfect english, but chained two 'ands's together in an ambiguous way.
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raison de arizona wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:29 pm Indeed investigated this job posting and removed it. But whoa, Nelly!
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What's an "American Accent." Is it one of the NYC accents? Is it a southern drawl, y'all? How about Pennsylvania? Can we pahk our cah in the Hahvahd yahd. Is Maine mighty fine, doncha know? How about Minnesota or da UP, eh?

I guess those folks whose family was in North America for over a thousand years are not really true Americans because they might speak another language like say, Lakota.
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Well, darn it. I do not qualificate because not all my grandparents was'a born herez. :(
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Why is the Southern dialect the default when someone wants to sound stupid?
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sugar magnolia wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:45 am Why is the Southern dialect the default when someone wants to sound stupid?
Because it sounds hillbilly, I think. Assumption of un/under educated (wrongly assumed).

I was thinking about this when I first read this story.

Remember when CNN was started in Atlanta. Do you recall that the anchors did not have an accent? That was by design. That sticks today to media persons on a national level.
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Who does and does not have an accent is relative.

If you sound like the people I grew up among then you have no accent. If you don't then you have an accent. ;)

In the same way that long distance rail travel required the national use of the same time (as far as the minutes were concerned) national audio media required use of an accent that most people would understand and not harbor biased opinions about.
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"That's all Chinese to me!" ;)
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I find it more revealing that after they state the requirement for perfect grammar and punctuation, they have a sentence without a verb, etc.
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I think there's a fine line between Southern accent and what I try to do, which I think of as "hayseed". Or maybe there isn't much of a line there as far as the actual accent. To the extent there is a difference, it's founded in vocabulary and idioms.

Like saying "on account of how" instead of "because".

Like saying "I had a hankerin' for ___" instead of "I wanted it."

Like saying "further on down the road" instead of "later".

Like saying "if'n" instead of "if".

I mean, you can say "because" or "wanted" or "later" or even "if" with a Southern accent, especially if'n you are an educated urban leftist swine with a Southern accent, but you can't be a honest-to-cornpone hayseed unless you use "on account of how" and the others. But as with every aspect of my life, it's a work in progress. :oopsy:
Edit: If'n is my favorite, because what does it even mean? It looks like a contraction of some sort, but what is the second word? And? If'n the second word is "and", then there probably oughta be TWO APOSTROPHES to cover the missing D. Like this: if'n'

Except 1) you can't use two apostrophes, don' 't be silly, and 2) it still don't make no sense if'n the second word is "and". Let's try uncontracting the contraction, like this: "It still don't make no sense if and the second word is ..."

See what I mean? There's no word that you really could abbreviate to just the letter N and have it make any sense at all in a contraction with the word "if".

For these reasons, "if'n" is not just hayseed, it's metaphysically absurd, man.

What more can you really ask for? :shrug:
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Hmmm. Sounds like the South does a lot of programming…
If N =…
Did the use of if’n give a Boolean set of answers?
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Foggy wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:21 am I think there's a fine line between Southern accent and what I try to do, which I think of as "hayseed". Or maybe there isn't much of a line there as far as the actual accent. To the extent there is a difference, it's founded in vocabulary and idioms.

Like saying "on account of how" instead of "because".

Like saying "I had a hankerin' for ___" instead of "I wanted it."

Like saying "further on down the road" instead of "later".

Like saying "if'n" instead of "if".

3 of those 4 phrases were used in our meeting this afternoon. I was the only one of the 6 attendees without a college degree, and one of only 2 without a masters degree.
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sugar magnolia wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:45 am Why is the Southern dialect the default when someone wants to sound stupid?

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Lani wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:34 pm
sugar magnolia wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:45 am Why is the Southern dialect the default when someone wants to sound stupid?

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My favorite :roll: is when they subtitle shows that have Southerners talking.
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sugar magnolia wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:47 pm My favorite :roll: is when they subtitle shows that have Southerners talking.
My ex-wife, born in the NE, could literally not understand a Southern accent. Whenever we traveled through the South I had to interpret for her like we were in a foreign country. The Southerners were a might bit sharper than her, seeing as that they had no problem understanding her accent.
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raison de arizona wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:57 pm
sugar magnolia wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:47 pm My favorite :roll: is when they subtitle shows that have Southerners talking.
My ex-wife, born in the NE, could literally not understand a Southern accent. Whenever we traveled through the South I had to interpret for her like we were in a foreign country. The Southerners were a might mite bit sharper than her, seeing as that they had no problem understanding her accent.
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raison de arizona wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:08 pm :bag:
It was probably my accent that threw you off.
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