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NEW: Tim Parlatore, Trump's lawyer on matters connected to special counsel Jack Smith, has resigned from the legal team.
Edit: :snippity:
“It’s personal and it’s got nothing to do with my belief in the strength of the case,” Parlatore told POLITICO Wednesday morning. CNN first reported his departure from Trump’s legal team. :snippity:
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Kendra wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 10:05 am
Edit: :snippity:
“It’s personal and it’s got nothing to do with my belief in the strength of the case,” Parlatore told POLITICO Wednesday morning. CNN first reported his departure from Trump’s legal team. :snippity:
That would be a true statement even if his reason was “my client is a fuckhead who refuses to take my advice and shut the fuck up.” Personal, check. Nothing to do with the case, check.
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poplove wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 2:34 am
Phoenix520 wrote: Wed May 03, 2023 9:37 pm That’s kinda how I feel about Merrick Garland. There was so much Trump criminality they could barely prioritize what to tackle first.
I feel the same way. He had to hire a whole lot of extra help.
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Maybenaut wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 10:13 am
Kendra wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 10:05 am
Edit: :snippity:
“It’s personal and it’s got nothing to do with my belief in the strength of the case,” Parlatore told POLITICO Wednesday morning. CNN first reported his departure from Trump’s legal team. :snippity:
That would be a true statement even if his reason was “my client is a fuckhead who refuses to take my advice, and shut the fuck up and pay his bills.” Personal, check. Nothing to do with the case, check.
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Phoenix520 wrote: Wed May 03, 2023 9:37 pm That’s kinda how I feel about Merrick Garland. There was so much Trump criminality they could barely prioritize what to tackle first.
Pick the one most likely to yield a quick and secure conviction.
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My suspicion is Parlatore made that decision after listening to Trump's unfortunate comments about his documents that he had every right to keep and not sure if he showed them to anyone.

Kid Rock is an idiot, he blurted out that Trump had shown him a classified map when he visited Mar-a-Lago.
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RVInit wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 4:10 pm My suspicion is Parlatore made that decision after listening to Trump's unfortunate comments about his documents that he had every right to keep and not sure if he showed them to anyone.

Kid Rock is an idiot, he blurted out that Trump had shown him a classified map when he visited Mar-a-Lago.
My evening spent as his drinking partner did not disabuse me of this notion.
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RVInit wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 4:10 pm Kid Rock is an idiot, he blurted out that Trump had shown him a classified map when he visited Mar-a-Lago.
Ah yes, I remember it well. That was way back when Kid Rock, Sarah Palin, and Ted Nugent were advising tfg on North Korea.

No, really. He solicited their advice on how to handle North Korea.
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RVInit wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 4:10 pm My suspicion is Parlatore made that decision after listening to Trump's unfortunate comments about his documents that he had every right to keep and not sure if he showed them to anyone.

Kid Rock is an idiot, he blurted out that Trump had shown him a classified map when he visited Mar-a-Lago.
Somebody on MSNBC pointed out that another reason might be that he was a witness in the documents case.
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SuzieC wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 5:53 pm Portia, you are working your ass off today. Much gratitude.
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re the Kid Rock seeing a map --- this does not seem to relate to MaL post-presidency but during a visit at the WH
Kid Rock Says Trump Turned to Him for Advice on How to Handle North Korea
"We're looking at maps and shit, and I'm like, 'Am I supposed to be in on this shit?' the rocker told Tucker Carlson

BY JON BLISTEIN
MARCH 22, 2022

KID ROCK AND former President Trump have been close since the former first visited the latter in the White House in 2017, leading to a viral image of Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, and Sarah Palin flanking a grinning Trump behind the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office. Kid Rock and Trump became so close, the rocker told Tucker Carlson in an interview that aired Monday night on Fox News, that Trump sought his advice on a rather delicate geopolitical policy issue.

“We’re looking at maps and shit, and I’m like, ‘Am I supposed to be in on this shit?’ Kid Rock said. “I make dirty records sometimes. ‘What do you think we should do about North Korea?’ I’m like, ‘What? I don’t think I’m qualified to answer this.'”

Kid Rock also said Trump asked his opinion on a tweet about ISIS. “I was there one day when he ended the caliphate,” Kid Rock said. “He wanted to put out a tweet. The tweet was, and I’m paraphrasing, it was like if you ever join the caliphate and you try to do this, you’re going to be dead. He goes, ‘What do you think of this?’ I was like, ‘Awesome. Tweet that out. I can’t add anything better than that.’ Then it comes out and it’s reworded and more politically correct.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... w-1325014/
Kid Rock feared Trump was showing him classified maps about North Korea

Sarah K. Burris
March 22, 2022, 9:41 AM ET

Kid Rock, Sarah Palin and Ted Nugent were part of a discussion about North Korea while looking over maps with former President Donald Trump during a White House visit in 2017.

In an interview with Tucker Carlson, Kid Rock recalled the moment of self-awareness when he realized he was being invited into something for which he wasn't qualified.

The artist was shocked when Trump asked him, "'What do you think we should do about North Korea' and I'm like 'What? I don't think I'm qualified to answer this.'"

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-kid-rock ... formation/
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Ok, I was mistaken about the timing of when Trump showed Kid Rock the classified map. But Trump's response about whether he showed classified information to people after he was no longer president was really strange, and I think problematic for him. He seemed unable to simply say "No, I did not share any of the classified documents with anyone at Mar-a-Lago." He seemed "unsure" as to whether or not he did, and he also kept insisting that they were no longer classified as soon as he removed them from the White House.

Another note: I have always been fairly certain that someone, possibly a national security advisor would have explained to him the process of declassifying material. Also, I am fairly certain that his White House Counsel or Chief of Staff or someone would have been tasked with explaining the Presidential Records Act - he is aware of the the act enough to properly name it, so I am pretty certain it was explained to him. Today, it was reported that NARA is supplying the Special Counsel with a plethora of documents that prove that Trump understood the declassification process. That doesn't surprise me at all. I would have thought they have already obtained testimony from at least one or two or more people who educated (or tried to educate) Trump as to how classification and declassification works..
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Trumps defence is that his memory is shit, and that he is a moron. Uh huh.
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RVInit wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 9:45 pm :snippity:

Another note: I have always been fairly certain that someone, possibly a national security advisor would have explained to him the process of declassifying material. Also, I am fairly certain that his White House Counsel or Chief of Staff or someone would have been tasked with explaining the Presidential Records Act - he is aware of the the act enough to properly name it, so I am pretty certain it was explained to him. Today, it was reported that NARA is supplying the Special Counsel with a plethora of documents that prove that Trump understood the declassification process. That doesn't surprise me at all. I would have thought they have already obtained testimony from at least one or two or more people who educated (or tried to educate) Trump as to how classification and declassification works..
I am astonished that the former guy never attempted to formally change the classification / declassification process as they were and are based upon an EO given out by Obama (iirc).
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Popak from MeidasTouch stated that there's no way Garland and bring charges and seat a jury before the 2024 election.

But that's okay, says Popok, because he's sure Biden will beat him.

Popok has been a Garland/Smith apologist since the get-go, a proponent of the "it has to be perfect" philosophy.

So I know (I want to say "reluctantly" but that doesn't get close to expressing my despair) join the camp of those saying that DOJ cases against fuckhead will never go to trial.

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NEWS: former Trump White House aide Nick Luna testified today before a federal grand jury in DC investigating the former president’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election
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Luna testified to the J6 Committee that he saw Trump tear up documents. He also testified that Meadows told him to stay out of a meeting he would normally be at where state legislators were meeting with Trump to discuss overturning the election.
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Proof that he understood the rules is entirely irrelevant unless he is indicted and prosecuted. Outside of court, he will continue to insist that he had the absolute right to declassify documents in his own mind, such as it is, and he will say the same thing to interviewers and everyone else. Until he's in court under oath, then he will say he didn't understand the rules even after they were explained to him.

And we know, the reason he lies is to exert power - if he can make you choke down a version of the facts that you know is false, then he has power over you (George Orwell said that the only way to know you have power over another Earthling is to make them do something they don't want to do, but he missed the kind of power Trump uses).

The only way to pull him out of the fake imaginary world that he lives in is, charge him with a crime.

I am frustrated by the apparent inaction of Mr. Smith, but I'm trying to be patient. :bored:
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For what it's worth, read an interview with Barr :sick: this morning where he says he thinks the Jan6 stuff will be harder for Smith to pin down but he probably has a pretty air-tight case with the stolen docs.

He also said he thought indictments should be ready by late summer/early fall.
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:yeahthat:

But the corporate media narrative is the various prosecutors are desperate to prove that he _knew_ it was wrong, because OTHERWISE the jury wouldn't CONVICT. Then they through to a legal beagle to define mens rea and affirm that WITHOUT THAT, bla bla bla.

As Claire McCaskell said yesterday, "Oh look, they've proved for the eleventy billionth time that he knew he was breaking the law. When the eff are these effs going to indict?"

Every Friday since Feb, I've thought "It has to be today." Since April I've thought it's too late to ever bring him to trial. Now we have weekly lefty porn parties about MORE EVIDENCE that we wouldn't have if Garland and Smith and listened to ME and indicted TOO SOON.

I consider Garland and Smith to be utter failures. I suspect there are a lot of folks in the DOJ who are tearing their hair out at the gentlemanly inaction. I left "patient" in the dust a while ago. It's not the proper response at this point, IMO; it's our job to demand justice.

ETA (after reading the GA news about booking the courthouse): Another reason I don't think this or any other Friday in the foreseeable future will be I day fro TFG is because there is no buzz, no prep. The country is going to explode when he is eventually indicted, and we'll know about it, IMO.

Of course you all know how much I hope I'm dead wrong about the "when". My opinion about Garland and Smith stands, either way.
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I don't always agree with Garland, Smith, et al.'s lack of haste, but I often do understand the 'perfection' mindset. Especially at my current job. One of my previous superiors in the chain of command at an Embassy was very well known to be abusive. To the point where several individuals curtailed assignments to get away from said superior. But the people who might have been able to do something about it never did. Because the superior in question had contacts and resources and was known to be vindictive. And so the general mindset was in paraphrase of the adage "You can shoot at the king, but you dasn't miss." Or, as I liked to put it, "You get one shot at Superman with the kryptonite bullet. If you miss, he owns you."

Trump's mouth and media reach give him that similar power. If you shoot your shot and don't take him down, the blowback is enormous. So I don't always agree with the snail's pace, but I do *get it*. I get why it's taking so long. I just wish it weren't so.
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BREAKING: Parlatore tells
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that Epshteyn interfered with a court-compelled search of Bedmisnter for classified documents. Parlatore recently resigned from trump’s legal team months after testifying pursuant to a subpoena from Special Counsel Jack Smith.
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Breaking and wow.

Recently resigned Trump attorney-Timothy Parlatore- dishes hard on Trump attorney-Boris Epshteyn-as THE reason Parlatore left.

Says Epshteyn, among other things, tried to interfere with searches for classified documents including of Bedminister.
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