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RTH10260 wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 2:21 am Ahem - blaming the French will not entice them to speed things up. Nor will threats to suspend the exit agreement help.
That aspect of diplomacy – asking quietly and politely before shouting out blame and throwing insults – is not a strength of recent UK governments.

Even if there were problems with the French part of the operation (I think they had delays moving staff into place for some reason), the Brexiters have destroyed any trust from sensible people, so most assume "it's France's fault" is yet another bullshit lie.
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Sam the Centipede wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:52 am
RTH10260 wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 2:21 am Ahem - blaming the French will not entice them to speed things up. Nor will threats to suspend the exit agreement help.
That aspect of diplomacy – asking quietly and politely before shouting out blame and throwing insults – is not a strength of recent UK governments.

Even if there were problems with the French part of the operation (I think they had delays moving staff into place for some reason), the Brexiters have destroyed any trust from sensible people, so most assume "it's France's fault" is yet another bullshit lie.
It's the summer holiday time for thr French too, they may have some limited resources since Brexit requires extra staffing, not their fault. All reports indicate this is a toothing problem for the tourist travel segment. Last year it was still "amber alert" for the Brits, eg covid home quarantine after returning from France, so nobody travelled. France was the exception in the EU cause in all their wisdom the UK included the overseas territories into "France", even though continental France was equally safe as the rest oh the EU. And in the winter before it was France that rejected the Brits cause of their own covid infection levels. IOW first stress test. News reports mention that there would still be a backlog with all French booths at work, simply cause Dover did not build the necessary infrastructure. Passport and goods control are reciprocal on each others territory at the ports. The French had their infrastructure in place on January 2021.
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Side effects of "the oven ready deal" (Boris Johnson)
Disabled UK drivers told blue badges may not be accepted in EU due to Brexit
Ministers still negotiating with 11 countries, including France and Spain, over status of badges

Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent
Mon 25 Jul 2022 06.01 BST

Disabled drivers have been warned that their blue parking badges will not be recognised in some of the most popular EU destinations for British driving holidays, because of Brexit.

UK travellers are also being told to check for the best phone packages to mitigate roaming charges most mobile companies are reintroducing.

Ministers are still negotiating with 11 countries including France, Spain, Portugal and Italy on the status of UK blue badges, which were recognised across the EU until Brexit.




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After waiting several years for any “Brexit benefits” to be identified while marvelling at the accompanying (deliberate and/or incompetent?) failure to attempt to mitigate any of the many damaging consequences, I have come to the conclusion that it only makes any sense if the belief was/is that the EU will fall apart in the near future. :think:
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Among several Brexiteer voices I happened to see on YT prior to the final seperation, it was their true believe that the EU was on the brink of collapse. With every temporary highlevel voiced disapproval on an issue between EU countries, especially Germany and France, these Brexiteers shouted out that the EU will break up *tomorrow*. They did obviously not understand how the diplomatic processes work. I have come to believe that Boris Johnson believed that the EU could not live without the UK and collapse economically, and he believe he would end up with a single market agreement by just sitting things out. One consequence is that he did not work to get the customs border infrastructure in place, including staffing. Then in a last minute effort in the final months he concentrated on irrelevant economic sectors (happy British fish) to show off while having a vast array of more important economic sectors left behing without any framework.
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Yeah, that sounds like a pretty accurate analysis to me.
Out from under. :thumbsup:
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He will set up an operation in France.
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More complications for Britons coming to the Balearics
Mallorca entry for Britons getting more complicated, check your paperwork

Humphrey Carter Palma
18/07/2022 09:15

For tens of thousands of Britons flocking to the Balearics and Spain this weekend when schools break up for the summer holidays in England this Friday, gaining entry into the Balearics is getting continually more complicated.

Never mind the threat of long queues at passport control and peak periods due to a lack of border control staff and passports having to be stamped, the Foreign Office has issued even more advice.

British non-resident travellers now need to have, carry and possibly be forced to show proof of a return or onward ticket, enough money for their stay, and proof that you have somewhere to stay in Spain.

Accommodation proof includes hotel booking confirmations, proof of address if visiting your own property (e.g. second home), or an invitation from your host or proof of their address if staying with a third party, friends or family.

Visitors will also need to prove they meet the Covid-19 entry requirements. You can do this by showing proof of vaccination, a medical certificate or recovery record showing recovery from Covid-19 within the last six months, or a negative PCR (taken within 72 hours prior to departure) or antigen test (taken within 24 hours).




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UK self punishment as the rest of the world recognizes the EU standards as leading

UK chemicals sector hit by £2bn Brexit red tape bill
New ‘UK Reach’ regime has pitted ministers against a broad swath of manufacturing

George Parker and Peter Foster
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The chemicals sector faces a £2bn hit of post-Brexit red tape, twice the cost of initial industry estimates, as Britain sets up its own regulatory regime, ministers have warned.

While Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak have promised to “axe EU red tape” during the Tory leadership campaign, the cost of homegrown British red tape after Brexit is mounting.

A government impact assessment, seen by the Financial Times, has put the central estimate for the costs of registering chemicals on a new UK database — often duplicating existing registrations with the EU — at £2bn.

The chemicals industry warned last year that the new regime — known as UK Reach — would cost about £1bn — but the government now accepts that many more substances will have to be registered than previously thought.

The British regime would be far more costly than the EU Reach system; UK companies spent £500mn complying with the Brussels regime over the previous decade, winning access to 27 markets.

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said it was “working closely with the sector and NGOs to find a lower cost solution for UK Reach registration, which still ensures high levels of protection for human health and the environment”.

The Defra impact assessment implied a £91,000 bill for each substance registered under UK Reach and that 22,400 “distinct substances” would fall within the scope of the new regime.

Ministers are planning to extend the deadline for registering with UK Reach to spread the cost. The government has pushed back the requirement for full data sets by at least two years until October 2025.



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For the laughs and tears, from 2014, some kind words in support of British farmers.

The new iron lady, maybe, competing to become the next Brexit primeminister :cantlook: :crying: :brickwallsmall:


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Fun fact taken from a vlog:

As reported by consumer, fresh fruit and vegetables have a significantly shorter shelf life in the shops. Eg herbs are flopping, carrots are shrinkly and getting moldy, etc.

All indications that the transport of fresh food from the continent is held up by red tape.
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I have been confused by something. I understand EU having more red tape as UK is no longer part of it, but a bunch of these issues sounds like they are caused by UK red tape. If your own rules make it harder on your population, why make them. Is this some deluded effort to punish the EU by an own goal?

I realize some of it is probably still the design of Putin and the company that just wants to divide nations and populations for their own benefit.
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You’re not the only one confused, I suspect it is by far the majority attitude in the UK and probably pretty much everywhere. The number of issues that, without (in some cases) agreements with the EU bogeyman, necessitated the creation/recreation of UK laws/regulations/regulatory bodies etc, appear to have been deliberately ignored (or hidden) along with the significant costs that are only now being exposed… and there’s plenty more to come.

(An aside - I’m pretty sure that the apparently imminent energy “crisis” in Europe is seen by some as having the (desirable) potential to divide the EU member states).
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:cantlook: :brickwallsmall: :doh:
Jacob Rees-Mogg says people should go on holiday to Portugal to avoid queues at Dover
The Brexit opportunities minister insisted the French are to blame for huge queues building at the port of Dover - but French authorities say the extra checks are due to Brexit

Faye Brown Political reporter
Thursday 28 July 2022 18:17, UK

Jacob Rees-Mogg has said people should go on holiday to Portugal if they want to avoid huge queues at Dover.

The Brexit opportunities minister insisted the UK's departure from the EU has nothing to do with the traffic chaos facing holidaymakers trying to cross the Channel - pointing to Portugal's use of e-gates for British travellers.

He blamed the gridlocks on the French for "not getting enough people to man the extra booths" that have been put in by the Port of Dover.

He told reporters: "If the French decide not to provide the immigration officers that are needed, then there will be queues. But this was a decision of the French.

"I mean, it's worth noting that the Portuguese have allowed the British to use e-gates to get into Portugal. So it may be that people will find it's easier to go on holiday in Portugal."

He added that Portugal was our oldest ally "so we should always be very friendly towards the Portuguese".

The comments come after the AA issued its first ever "amber" traffic warning ahead of time, saying this weekend will be "extremely busy" - with all eyes on Dover and Folkestone following getaway chaos since the start of the summer holidays.




https://news.sky.com/story/jacob-ress-m ... r-12660725



To note: e-gates are available at airports, not sea ports. And to potentially use them at sea ports one would have to leave the car and walk thru the gate, but how get back to the car??? :cantlook: Each car occupant would leave the car for verifying the passport. Never mind that those using the e-gates where available still need to go to the immigration officer desk to have the passport stamped.

ps. there are currently no ferries operating between the UK and Potugal. Nearest service would be to Spain. It would be a 30+ hours ferry ride. Prices not available. You still prefer the Dover crossing, not?
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Uninformed wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:52 am The number of issues that, without (in some cases) agreements with the EU bogeyman, necessitated the creation/recreation of UK laws/regulations/regulatory bodies etc, appear to have been deliberately ignored (or hidden) along with the significant costs that are only now being exposed… and there’s plenty more to come.
For any UK company that also exports "red tape" has increased hugely. First of course is the export paperwork and duties, most of which were unnecessary in the single market. Second is any new UK regulations, standards, etc. Third is the EU regulations and standards that about exporter into the EU must meet. The EU regulations and standards they already complied with, but the first two are additional costly overheads and barriers.

One of the other Brexit lies was the promise of great international trade deals. That is fundamentally impossible. Why? Because most EU trade deals with significant trading partners have Most Favored Nation status. With MFNs, the parties agree that their trade deal will always be at least as good as any offered to a third party. So a country could not agree a honeyed deal with the UK without offering as good (or better!) terms to the EU.

The Brits are screwed. One sad issue is that it's largely elderly and stupid people who voted for Brexit. That was several years ago, so many have died and young people are moving into voting age. So, even without the Brexit viewers who have since realized how misguided they were, there is probably a pro-EU majority in the UK now.

Crazy.
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The guy in search of Brexit opportunities :cantlook: :doh:
Rees-Mogg orders civil servants to ‘stop blocking Brexit’
"Is the machine standing in the way of things happening by our elected government?”

Jack Peat
2022-07-29 09:12

Jacob Rees-Mogg has accused civil servants of blocking Brexit and launched a major review of Whitehall, according to Telegraph reports.

Concerns have been raised among Cabinet ministers that government workers could be “standing in the way” of government policy by “dragging their feet” over enacting policies that they disagree with.

“Over the last few years there has been a growing feeling that while lots of parts of the Civil Service have got bigger, have they got more effective?” a senior government source said.

“Are ministers’ decisions properly being taken forward? Are things agreed at Cabinet actually happening? Is the machine standing in the way of things happening by our elected government?”



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just a bit more
The Cabinet source pointed to the Brexit Opportunities Bill – aimed at getting decades’ worth of EU red tape axed from the statute books – as an example of a policy that has been frustrated by pushback from civil servants.

Officials in certain government departments – particularly the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy and the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs – are understood to have complained about the volume of work required to go through thousands of complex regulations.

Earlier this year Mr Rees-Mogg said that the Government would reduce its Civil Service headcount by about 65,000 people to create a ‘well-oiled machine’.

Yeah - good luck with that, you will need those 65'000 to recreate true British regulations, or recreate the Economic Wild West :shh:

PS. did you already hire and educate the approx 55'000 workers needed at Customs for processing the imports?
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Jacob Rees-Moog raises concerns:
Concerns have been raised among Cabinet ministers that government workers could be “standing in the way” of government policy by “dragging their feet” over enacting policies that they disagree with.
If the United States has the "Deep State," does the UK have the "Deep Kingdom"?
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I'll just refer him to the entire run of the TV series "Yes, Minister"

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On the brink of a damaging departure from EU research

JAMIE DURRANI
26 JULY 2022

To do their jobs properly, scientists need stability. They need secure sources of funding. They need to be able to collaborate with other researchers across the globe, without unnecessary barriers.

But there’s a huge question mark hanging over the UK’s involvement in major scientific programmes like Horizon Europe – the world’s largest multinational research fund. UK participation in the EU’s research frameworks was agreed during Brexit negotiations in December 2020. But full association was never rubber stamped, and it won’t be as long as the UK government continues threatening to backtrack on the Northern Ireland protocol – the trade deal it struck with the EU to avoid creating a hard border on the isle of Ireland.

The situation has brought 19 months of uncertainty for the country’s scientific community. More than 100 UK-based researchers who chose not to relocate to institutions in EU-member states recently had prestigious European Research Council grants terminated. Many other talented young researchers are actively seeking positions at European institutions. Universities UK has warned that UK scientists are being forced to leave major research consortia, noting that ‘the situation is deteriorating every day that the uncertainty drags on’.

:snippity:

The initial plan B proposals have just been published by business secretary Kwasi Kwarteng, but they still appear vague and uncosted. UKRI described the publication as ‘just the start of understanding’ how UK researchers might participate in important global projects after exiting Horizon, while the Royal Society stressed the ‘need to see full detail’ for how the government will finance the plan.




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consider how the government promised to replace the EU infrastructure subsidies.... :blackeye:
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Time for the USA to arrange a new Brain Drain?
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Volkonski wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:39 pm Time for the USA to arrange a new Brain Drain?
Out of the frying pan into the fire?

Why would any sensible person, wishing to flee from half- and nitwits, want to go to the United States, where women are forced to give birth against their wishes, health care is essentially non-existent, and people become more and more stupid every day?

They may as well stay in the UK, where at least not every moron with $100 can purchase a firearm and walk down the street with it poised to dispose of people the moron doesn't like.

Want armed teachers in your kindergarten class? Here you go:

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The reason that British STEM folks will come to the USA is the same now as it was 60 years ago, money. Higher salaries and bigger research budgets.
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Volkonski wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:20 pm The reason that British STEM folks will come to the USA is the same now as it was 60 years ago, money. Higher salaries and bigger research budgets.
Then they'd go to Switzerland, not the US.
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Rees-Mogg apart from being a quite effective ideological plotter is as far as I can tell a complete incompetent. A self-made millionaire in the same mold as tfg. No doubt adored by his half-wit constituents.
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