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How dare you Those are the declassified thoughts of a Stable Genius.

But the horses left that stable long time ago...
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CNN reporting Garland has appointed a special counsel. Presser soon, assumption is that person will be named at that time.
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Kendra wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:49 pm CNN reporting Garland has appointed a special counsel. Presser soon, assumption is that person will be named at that time.

I can’t think of a Special Counsel thing that’s ever worked out well.
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:mad:
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Greatgrey wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:14 pm
Kendra wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:49 pm CNN reporting Garland has appointed a special counsel. Presser soon, assumption is that person will be named at that time.

I can’t think of a Special Counsel thing that’s ever worked out well.
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Jack Smith, sounds qualified.
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Sally Yates.
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Yeah, well SOMEBODY better show up in Atlanta on Tuesday ready to kick ass and chew bubble gum in the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. :boxing:

And I don't really suspect that will be a problem for anyone. :mrgreen:

In fact, the judges are likely to savage Trump’s lawyers, and there might well be quite a struggle to see who from the DOJ gets to be there to witness the beating.

And I can't imagine Jack Smith or whatever his real name is getting up to speed, but he probably won't have to. He can just stand up and say, "Get 'em, Ray."

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Garland is a coward should have just indicted Trump there's more than enough evidence on a number of crimes he committed
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I thought that I read somewhere that a Special Counsel (like Durham) is outside the actions of the President.

We do not know how long this process will take: Indictment, criminal complaint, then all the pre-trial litigation before any putative trial or plea arrangement.

If an R wins the presidency in two years, you know that the first order of business will be to terminate all of Biden's appointments. When the new AG is confirmed by the Senate, you also know that his/her first order of business will be to cease and desist on any ongoing trial work that concerns OSG.

But I do not think that a Special Counsel is subject to such whimsy. But I really dunno. :shrug:
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humblescribe wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:12 pm I thought that I read somewhere that a Special Counsel (like Durham) is outside the actions of the President.

We do not know how long this process will take: Indictment, criminal complaint, then all the pre-trial litigation before any putative trial or plea arrangement.

If an R wins the presidency in two years, you know that the first order of business will be to terminate all of Biden's appointments. When the new AG is confirmed by the Senate, you also know that his/her first order of business will be to cease and desist on any ongoing trial work that concerns OSG.

But I do not think that a Special Counsel is subject to such whimsy. But I really dunno. :shrug:
Pretty sure they are, it just looks bad. All tfg would need to do is make firing Smith a litmus test for the AG position. If he so desired.

Unless I'm wrong.
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He "won’t partake in it"

“I have been going through this for six years — for six years I have been going through this, and I am not going to go through it anymore.

“And I hope the Republicans have the courage to fight this. I have been proven innocent for six years on everything – from fake impeachments to Mueller who found no collusion, and now I have to do it more?

“It is not acceptable. It is so unfair. It is so political. I am not going to partake in it. I’m not going to partake in this.

“Hunter Biden is a criminal many times over and nothing happens to him. Joe Biden is a criminal many times over—and nothing happens to them.”

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Greatgrey wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:14 pm
Kendra wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:49 pm CNN reporting Garland has appointed a special counsel. Presser soon, assumption is that person will be named at that time.

I can’t think of a Special Counsel thing that’s ever worked out well.
The one investigating Nixon did ok, imo
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Kriselda Gray wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:42 pm
Greatgrey wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:14 pm
Kendra wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:49 pm CNN reporting Garland has appointed a special counsel. Presser soon, assumption is that person will be named at that time.

I can’t think of a Special Counsel thing that’s ever worked out well.
The one investigating Nixon did ok, imo
That was 50 years ago. Not much since.
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humblescribe wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:12 pm I thought that I read somewhere that a Special Counsel (like Durham) is outside the actions of the President.

We do not know how long this process will take: Indictment, criminal complaint, then all the pre-trial litigation before any putative trial or plea arrangement.

If an R wins the presidency in two years, you know that the first order of business will be to terminate all of Biden's appointments. When the new AG is confirmed by the Senate, you also know that his/her first order of business will be to cease and desist on any ongoing trial work that concerns OSG.

But I do not think that a Special Counsel is subject to such whimsy. But I really dunno. :shrug:
Thats why Dunham's investigation into,the beginnings of the Russia investigation was still running as of a couple months ago - and part of why Dunham was appointed, so that investigation would survive a new President and AG coming in.
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https://www.govexec.com/management/2020 ... em/170587/
In 1999, the Ethics in Government Act, which had a sunset clause, needed to be renewed. By that point, however, both political parties had been humiliated by prior independent counsel investigations: Republicans were reeling from the Iran-Contra scandal, while Democrats were embarrassed by the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Ultimately, both parties decided to simply let the Ethics in Government Act expire, thereby shuttering the Office of Independent Counsel.

Later that year, Attorney General Janet Reno promulgated regulations authorizing the appointment of special counsels, which could replace independent counsels and be similarly protected from presidential influence. It’s important to emphasize, however, that unlike independent counsels, special counsels are authorized by Justice Department regulations—not an Act of Congress. As such, a president could, in theory, simply order the attorney general to revoke these regulations, and then have a special counsel removed, assuming of course that the president’s attorney general is sufficiently pliable. This is why it is problematic that presidents can hire and fire their attorneys general at will, unlike in the majority of states where state attorneys general are often independently elected and not answerable to the governor.
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neonzx wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:40 pm He "won’t partake in it"


https://twitter.com/BrookeSingman/statu ... 4866232320
Think he want's to follow his former advisor Bannon in the steps to a cell for ignoring subpoenas? It's a different thing to ignore them in a criminal procedure compared to a House committee.
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No, no, won't partake means "You can't arrest me, neener, neener."

It's very presidential, really. :think:
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neonzx wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:45 pm
Kriselda Gray wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:42 pm
Greatgrey wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:14 pm


I can’t think of a Special Counsel thing that’s ever worked out well.
The one investigating Nixon did ok, imo
That was 50 years ago. Not much since.
The one investigating Clinton made out like a bandit.
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The one who investigated Clinton was an Independent Counsel, which actually was protected from interference by the President/Justice Department. After both Democrats and Republicans were burned by Independent Counsels they decided to do away with that model because they realized that as long as the person who does the choosing of the "Independent" counsel is not someone like Garland, that person will choose a person that they already KNOW will do whatever they can do destroy the target, whether they actually find any evidence of wrongdoing or not.

I am cautiously optimistic about Smith, I think he's actually registered as an Independent. Of course, I know already that can mean something along the lines of Republicans are not far enough whacked out for me, therefore I am "Independent" even though come on, are they really going to vote for anyone other than a Republican or someone worse? I don' think Smith is along those lines, and he clearly has great experience. And there is an awful lot of evidence already collected by others, including the Justice Department. He can't possibly move any SLOWER than Garland, so I guess that is something. I have to say after tthinking about it there is more chance of justice with this situation than with Garland himself, even if he wanted to he'll probably be gone in 2 years, that seems to be the way we may be headed. Ron DeSatan to the "rescue" I suppose.
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RVInit wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:53 pm I am cautiously optimistic about Smith, I think he's actually registered as an Independent. Of course, I know already that can mean something along the lines of Republicans are not far enough whacked out for me, therefore I am "Independent" even though come on, are they really going to vote for anyone other than a Republican or someone worse?
My concern is that to the GOP as it exists now, an Independent appointed by a moderate Democrat is still a left-wing BLM Trotskyite antifa Socialist warrior, or something.
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Ben-Prime wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:42 pm
RVInit wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:53 pm I am cautiously optimistic about Smith, I think he's actually registered as an Independent. Of course, I know already that can mean something along the lines of Republicans are not far enough whacked out for me, therefore I am "Independent" even though come on, are they really going to vote for anyone other than a Republican or someone worse?
My concern is that to the GOP as it exists now, an Independent appointed by a moderate Democrat is still a left-wing BLM Trotskyite antifa Socialist warrior, or something.
tfg has already tagged him a “radical leftist” fwiw
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raison de arizona wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:55 pm
Ben-Prime wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:42 pm
RVInit wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:53 pm I am cautiously optimistic about Smith, I think he's actually registered as an Independent. Of course, I know already that can mean something along the lines of Republicans are not far enough whacked out for me, therefore I am "Independent" even though come on, are they really going to vote for anyone other than a Republican or someone worse?
My concern is that to the GOP as it exists now, an Independent appointed by a moderate Democrat is still a left-wing BLM Trotskyite antifa Socialist warrior, or something.
tfg has already tagged him a “radical leftist” fwiw
He's said the same thing about the Maricopa County Attorney. Who is the son of G Gordon Liddy, it just so happens.

So Obviously deep state liberal.
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Gregg wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:23 pm
raison de arizona wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:55 pm
Ben-Prime wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:42 pm
My concern is that to the GOP as it exists now, an Independent appointed by a moderate Democrat is still a left-wing BLM Trotskyite antifa Socialist warrior, or something.
tfg has already tagged him a “radical leftist” fwiw
He's said the same thing about the Maricopa County Attorney. Who is the son of G Gordon Liddy, it just so happens.

So Obviously deep state liberal.
A lot of people today don't know G. Gordon Liddy...
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They should.

He was criminally insane and one mean SOB, but he had a certain, honor and integrity. He never implicated any higher ups until after the statute of limitations expired (when he wrote a book because he needed the money badly), as far as Liddy was concerned he dreamed up the idea himself, carried it out and never told anyone, and he was willing to go to prison to protect that story.

It was only because Howard Hunt didn't hold up that story that anyone ever heard about Watergate beyond people who read the
Washington Post
Metro section and recall a third rate burglary during the '72 campaign by a bunch of Cubans and some crazy ex FBI Agent.
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