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Lawyer argues fetus of jailed pregnant woman is being illegally detained

Florida attorney uses ‘fetal personhood’ argument in attempt to free client that could have consequences for women’s rights


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:think: illegally detained? Let it walk free from its mother as any timely born baby would do. Now let's hear the outcry of all those mothers whose baby was separated from them when sent to jail. PS the Republican foster care system will take care of the new earthling :twisted:
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When you’re a Duggar…. Call it everything except an abortion. And now poor Jessa wants to be left alone. https://people.com/parents/jessa-duggar ... scarriage/

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Democratic governors form alliance on abortion rights

BILL BARROW and GEOFF MULVIHILL
Tue, February 21, 2023 at 1:50 PM GMT+1

Democratic governors in 20 states are launching a network intended to strengthen abortion access in the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court decision nixing a woman’s constitutional right to end a pregnancy and instead shifting regulatory powers over the procedure to state governments.

Organizers, led by California Gov. Gavin Newsom, described the Reproductive Freedom Alliance as a way for governors and their staffs to share best practices and affirm abortion rights for the approximately 170 million Americans who live in the consortium’s footprint — and even ensuring services for the remainder of U.S. residents who live in states with more restrictive laws.

“We can all coalesce,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham said in an interview ahead of a Tuesday announcement. She added that the court’s Dobbs decision that ended a national right to abortion “horrified” and put pressure on governors to act. “This is leveraging our strengths ... to have more of a national voice.”

That includes, organizers said, sharing model statutory language and executive orders protecting abortion access, ways to protect abortion providers from prosecution, strategies to maximize federal financing for reproductive health care such as birth control, and support for manufacturers of abortion medication and contraceptives that face potential new restrictions from conservatives.

Lujan Grisham noted the launch comes as a federal court in Texas considers a challenge to the nationwide availability of medication abortion, which now accounts for the majority of abortions in the U.S.

In a statement, Newsom called the effort, which he and his aides spent months organizing, “a moral obligation” and a “firewall” to protect “fundamental rights.”




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Greatgrey wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:52 pm When you’re a Duggar…. Call it everything except an abortion. And now poor Jessa wants to be left alone. https://people.com/parents/jessa-duggar ... scarriage/

Yeah, the anti-abortionists know those laws won't apply to them when they need/want one.
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I saw this and it made my blood boil. I know we don't know all the details, but it appears that this was a "complicated" pregnancy. Doesn't say the fetus died and then a D&C had to be performed. Just that it was a complicated pregnancy terminated by D&C.

I'm so sick and tired of the minority of Americans who have no empathy for others and yet gain enough power in the courts and elsewhere to force their ignorant laws and policy on the rest of us.

They can only understand something if it directly affects them, these people are simply not able to think of others. And yet they totally believe they are the moral ones.
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RVInit wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 1:42 pm :snippity:

They can only understand something if it directly affects them, these people are simply not able to think of others. And yet they totally believe they are the moral ones.
They think of others, but it's how they can harm them and force their "morality" upon them...


I'm really hung over today, and the hate I have for these people has me thinking things I would not normally consider, and that's really saying something...
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UN urged to intervene over destruction of US abortion rights

Exclusive: letter from human rights groups says overturning of the constitutional right violates US’s obligations as a UN member state
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Top human rights organizations are calling on the United Nations to intervene over the destruction of abortion rights in the US.

In a letter shared in advance with the Guardian and sent Thursday by nearly 200 organizations and experts, the authors detail how, since the overturning of the federal constitutional right to abortion in June 2022, some 22 million women and girls of reproductive age live in states where abortion access is now either banned or inaccessible.

Among the signatories are the Global Justice Center, Pregnancy Justice, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. They are joined by a broader coalition of groups and individual advocates for human rights and racial and economic justice.

Abortion restrictions, the signatories write, deny “women’s decisional and bodily autonomy in a way that rejects the agency, dignity and equality of people who can become pregnant.”
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Texas Is Trying to Scrub Abortion From Its Internet

Thomas Germain
Thu, March 2, 2023 at 7:10 PM GMT+1

Last week, Texas introduced a bill that would make it illegal for internet service providers to let users access information about how to get abortion pills. The bill, called the Women and Child Safety Act, would also criminalize creating, editing, or hosting a website that helps people seek abortions.

If the bill passes, internet service providers (ISPs) will be forced to block websites “operated by or on behalf of an abortion provider or abortion fund.” ISPs would also have to filter any website that helps people who “provide or aid or abet elective abortions” in almost any way, including raising money.

The Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade left the country with a patchwork of reproductive health laws of varying restriction or permission. That drove interest in securing abortion access across state lines, and Republican state lawmakers quickly set their sights on limiting the distribution of abortion pills and related information.

The bill is part of a trend in Texas, where lawmakers are working to create a special, closed-off Texan internet.

The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals lifted a block on a Texas’s HB 20, a law that prohibits social media platforms from moderating content or blocking users based on their “viewpoints,” which is akin to saying social media platforms can’t moderate content at all. The free speech warriors in Texas seem unconcerned that content moderation is in itself a form of speech, and the fact that the constitution gives private businesses the same right to express themselves that citizens have.

“Right now, if this state law goes into effect, we’re stuck in a situation where we might see ISPs fighting in court saying they have a First Amendment right to host this content,” said Evan Greer, director of the non-profit Fight for the Future.

Five years ago, a bill like this would violate federal law. Remember Net Neutrality? Net Neutrality forced ISPs to act like phone companies, treating all traffic the same with almost no ability to limit or filter the content traveling on their networks. But Net Neutrality was repealed in 2018, essentially reclassifying internet service as a luxury with little regulator oversight, and upending consumers’ right to free access of the web.

“We really need lawmakers to wake up and understand that tech policy issues aren’t wonky concerns,” Greer said. “These are bread and butter mom and pop issues, and they have just as much of an impact on people’s reproductive rights as legislation moving for or against abortion access in general.”





https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-trying ... 45657.html
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Tennessee Bill Adding Rape Exception to State Abortion Ban Will Probably Fail

Kylie Cheung
Tue, February 28, 2023 at 6:00 PM GMT+1·4 min read

Earlier this month, Tennessee Republicans introduced a bill to add a rape exception to the state’s abortion ban—with the condition that victims who “lie” about being raped to access abortion care could be sentenced to up to three years in prison. But on Monday, ahead of a state Senate Judiciary Committee vote on whether to advance the bill (SB857 in the state Senate and HB1440 in the state House) this week, state Sen. Ferrell Haile (R) told local media that upon “surveying” the committee, he learned the bill “[does] not [have] enough support to pass” as most Republican lawmakers oppose adding the exception.

Lorraine McGuire, vice president of community relations and development at the Sexual Assault Center, says it’s “mind-blowing” how much pressure lawmakers have faced from anti-abortion groups to reject the bill. “Most Tennesseans—65 to 80%—believe in exceptions, and so the lawmakers that are opposing this out of fear of [anti-abortion group] Right to Life retaliating, are not actually representing their constituents,” McGuire said. “The majority does believe in a compassionate Tennessee.”




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Texas judge to rule on abortion pill used by millions of Americans

Meg Oliver
Tue, February 28, 2023 at 12:46 AM GMT+1·

A federal judge in Texas is set to rule on a lawsuit that seeks to restrict access to one of the two drugs typically used to induce a medicated abortion. The decision could impact 40 million women nationwide, making it the most consequential legal ruling since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

More than half of all abortions in the U.S. use mifepristone.

Dr. Kristyn Brandi, an OB-GYN in New Jersey, said the ruling could mean drastic changes for patients, adding that a ban would be "devastating."

"A lot of people rely on this medication," she told CBS News. "It is something that has been the standard of care for over 20 years."

A lawsuit filed by the Alliance for Hippocratic medicine, an anti-abortion organization, seeks to reverse the Food and Drug Administration's approval of the drug and remove it from the market. The lawsuit alleges there have not been sufficient studies into the safety of mifepristone.

Julie Marie Blake, senior counsel for the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian legal advocacy group, said the organization is "confident that when any court looks at the law and looks at the science, it will realize that the FDA has completely failed its responsibility to protect women and girls."




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Court revives challenge to New York law protecting workers who get abortions

Mon, February 27, 2023 at 5:44 PM GMT+1
By Daniel Wiessner

(Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court on Monday revived an anti-abortion crisis pregnancy center's challenge to a New York state law that prohibits retaliation against employees for getting abortions or making other reproductive health decisions.

A panel of the Manhattan-based 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the state law violates Evergreen Association Inc's constitutional right to freedom of association by forcing the nonprofit, which counsels patients against getting abortions, to employ people who go against its message.

The 2019 law makes it illegal to discriminate or retaliate against workers because of their "reproductive health decision making." New York City adopted a similar law in 2018.

Evergreen, which does business as Expectant Mother Care, operates numerous pregnancy counseling centers in New York City and its suburbs. The group sued in 2020 to block the state from enforcing the law against it.

"Evergreen's beliefs about the morality of abortion are its defining values; forcing it to accept as members those who engage in or approve of that conduct would cause the group as it currently identifies itself to cease to exist," Circuit Judge Steven Menashi wrote.




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SC woman charged after allegedly consuming abortion pills to end pregnancy

Lyn Riddle, Joseph Bustos
Thu, March 2, 2023 at 11:00 AM GMT+1

A Greenville woman was arrested earlier this week and charged with performing or soliciting an abortion.

In October 2021, the then-33-year-old woman sought medical help at St. Francis Hospital after having labor pains, according to a Greenville Police Department incident report. A warrant for her arrest was signed in 2022, Greenville Police Sgt. Johnathan Brown said.

The incident report says the woman told medical personnel she had taken abortion pills to end a pregnancy. State law prohibits self-medication to abort a pregnancy. The fetus was stillborn and was determined to be 25 weeks and four days, according to the incident report.

“It was determined that the accused obtained and self-medicated. Consumed the abortion pills illegally,” the incident report said.

The State newspaper is not identifying the woman at this time because the charges are related to a personal medical procedure.

The Greenville County Coroner’s Office reported the incident to Greenville Police.




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Note those words: personal medical procedure.

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Georgia Republican lawmakers have introduced a bill that would classify abortion as a homicide, despite their own constituents’ widespread opposition to banning the procedure.

The bill, introduced Thursday, would classify a human as an “unborn child at every stage of development from fertilization until birth.” As a result, terminating a pregnancy could be considered and prosecuted as a homicide. Writer Jessica Valenti noted that since the bill says life begins at fertilization, people who use IUDs or emergency contraception—both of which prevent fertilized eggs from implanting—could be charged with murder.

The legislation makes exceptions for medical procedures carried out to save the life of the pregnant person, done because there were no viable other options to save the fetus, or that resulted in an accidental miscarriage. People who got abortions would be found not guilty of homicide if they could prove they were coerced or misled into getting the procedure.
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Walgreens won’t distribute abortion pills in some states where they remain legal

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Texas Wants to Ban Credit Card Companies From Processing Abortion Pill Transactions

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Fri, March 3, 2023 at 9:17 PM GMT+1

Republicans in Texas are really escalating their assault on abortion access and finding new ways to go after people who don’t want to be pregnant. State Rep. Drew Spring (R) proposed a bill Thursday that would make it a felony for credit card companies to “process a transaction” for abortion pills sales. On top of that, the proposed law would allow any citizen to sue a credit card company for allowing that sale to happen.

If you’re confused as to how someone (“a person” as in the bill’s language, not law enforcement) would find out that someone else has used a credit card to purchase abortion pills in an illegal fashion (it’s not illegal right now), you’re comprehension is great! It is confusing and makes no tesense. But since the Supreme Court allowed the citizen civil lawsuits to go into effect with S.B. 8 (remember those $10,000 civil suits?), it seems like civil lawsuits among citizens is the trendy way to enforce laws these days.




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:confuzzled: credit card companies don't no nothing about the purchased products
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Credit card companies track gun sales :shrug:
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raison de arizona wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:13 am Credit card companies track gun sales :shrug:
Not that I know of. They know the merchant and the date/amount. I don't think my credit card companies know what specific product(s) I purchased from the said merchant. Weird proposal by Texas.

Did I purchase Plan B or a bottle of Ibuprofen?
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Als are they planning to make this ban nationwide? What if a woman from Texas has gone to a different state, does the credit card company have to somehow monitor purchase enough to know it's a Texas person doing the purchasing? What a stupid idea...
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Credit card companies will fight this. There is no way, currently, for them to track the kind of item purchased. Thay only handle the financial transaction. This proposal is completely stupid.
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neonzx wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:19 am
raison de arizona wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:13 am Credit card companies track gun sales :shrug:
Not that I know of. They know the merchant and the date/amount. I don't think my credit card companies know what specific product(s) I purchased from the said merchant. Weird proposal by Texas.

Did I purchase Plan B or a bottle of Ibuprofen?
True, they don’t track the specific item on gun sales, just the category.

https://www.reuters.com/business/discov ... 023-02-17/
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raison de arizona wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:51 am
neonzx wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:19 am
raison de arizona wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:13 am Credit card companies track gun sales :shrug:
Not that I know of. They know the merchant and the date/amount. I don't think my credit card companies know what specific product(s) I purchased from the said merchant. Weird proposal by Texas.

Did I purchase Plan B or a bottle of Ibuprofen?
True, they don’t track the specific item on gun sales, just the category.

https://www.reuters.com/business/discov ... 023-02-17/
Yeah, they use category codes. Most of our credit cards do that especially for defining rewards.

Oh, neon spent $200 at XYZ Gas Station this month, he gets rewards of 3% (even though I was just buying food products from their inside shop deli and no petro).

Or, neon spent $340 at ABC Shoot'em Up Guns, but all neon bought was accessories for his gun. Not a gun.

It's stupid. FREEDOM!
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What happens if I use a prepaid card, a gift card? I bet the lawmakers must go after the pharmacists to require trackable card payments and not cash etc. I bet they can neither force out of state companies to follow their local rules in mailorders?
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https://www.axios.com/2023/03/07/women- ... rtion-laws
Five women filed a lawsuit against Texas Monday over laws they say prevented them from getting abortions despite the life-threatening circumstances of their pregnancies, the New York Times first reported.

The big picture: It's the first lawsuit "brought on behalf of women denied abortions" that's been filed against a state that has enacted a ban shutting down abortion access since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last June, per a statement from the Center for Reproductive Rights, which is representing the women in the case.

"The lawsuit aims to hold the state of Texas accountable for the consequences of multiple harmful abortion bans on pregnant people facing obstetric complication," the group said.

Driving the news: The 91-page complaint on behalf of the five women that asks the court to clarify if doctors can make exceptions to the state's abortion ban under certain conditions states that the law has caused "catastrophic harms" and that the case represents "the tip of the iceberg," per the NYT.

It states that "millions" of people nationwide have been "denied dignified treatment as equal human beings" due to such laws.
There's an interview with one of the women on MSNBC. It's very sad.
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