So I've been seeing a lot of calls to get rid of the filibuster and codify abortion rights. But... isn't that being overruled on Constitutional grounds? Would not such a law be on its face unconstitutional given the coming ruling? Would that not take an Amendment?
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The front-runner for the Republican nomination for Pennsylvania governor has scrubbed his anti-abortion position from his campaign website.
State Sen. Doug Mastriano had listed "protecting life" first among his gubernatorial campaign's issues. Clicking a link brought you to a page on his state Senate campaign page that described abortion as "unimaginable brutality."
"A government that not only endorses and embraces this genocide, but funds it with tax payer dollars is criminal," the site said. "Doug believes every life is precious and must be protected."
However, the current version of the campaign website makes no mention of "protecting life," and Mastriano's "plan" does not include banning abortion.
There are nine republican candidates for governor in the state. All nine are anti-abortion.
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raison de arizona wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 4:43 pmSo I've been seeing a lot of calls to get rid of the filibuster and codify abortion rights. But... isn't that being overruled on Constitutional grounds? Would not such a law be on its face unconstitutional given the coming ruling? Would that not take an Amendment?
Roe v. Wade ruled the federal constitution protects (to a degree, with the "how much" being the last half-century of battles) the right to choose to obtain an abortion. It, in effect, ruled states' prohibitions against abortion violated the federal constitution.
If When Roe is overruled, the federal government could step in and pass an abortion law, which would (again) pre-empt states' laws (via the Commerce Clause). But the federal government isn't going to do that, at least for the foreseeable future.
The forthcoming opinion doesn't render anything unconstitutional.
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“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” —John Adams
sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 4:18 pm
Another thing we should probably be talking about is the absolutely idiotic argument about men having a say in a woman's decision. I just want to scream every time some man uses the illogical fucking 'logic' of men having just as much right to make the decision as women.
Esp since this argument almost always includes complaining about child support.
I was surprised to hear a young man on the news last night being interviewed about why he was protesting the attack on Roe v Wade. He said he was protesting for a woman's right to choose, just like his mother did about 50 years ago.
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Pregnancies are not risk free to women. Women die every day from pregnancies. Therefore they get ultimate say in whether or not they are willing to go through that possibly deadly experience. NO one else gets to decide!
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ok. so there is a phenomenon called Fetal Resorption Syndrome (AKA: Vanishing Twin). in short, a pregnancy begins with twin fetuses, but one fetus fails to develop, disintegrates and is resorbed. The rate at which this happens in humans has not been fully determined, however it is not trivial.
so the question I have, if a baby is born with a caul, should the State of Louisiana charge him/her with murder? (and cannibalism?)
i thought the Founders of what was to become the US of A once fought a war against the Brits to kick them off the continent and establish an own Constitution long after this referenced guy. To find an independant way of life and opinion, not be trapped in chains.
That thread and Alito's homage to Hale are chilling.
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If you have to go back to Hale to find "precedent," your argument is in deep trouble.
I didn't look at the thread, but I believe he was a witch burner, or whatever was in style to kill them at the time.
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AndyinPA wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 12:16 pm
If you have to go back to Hale to find "precedent," your argument is in deep trouble.
I didn't look at the thread, but I believe he was a witch burner, or whatever was in style to kill them at the time.
Indeed it is, and indeed he was.
“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” —John Adams
ok. so there is a phenomenon called Fetal Resorption Syndrome (AKA: Vanishing Twin). in short, a pregnancy begins with twin fetuses, but one fetus fails to develop, disintegrates and is resorbed. The rate at which this happens in humans has not been fully determined, however it is not trivial.
so the question I have, if a baby is born with a caul, should the State of Louisiana charge him/her with murder? (and cannibalism?)
I worked in medical records and it's a lot more common than one would think. AAMAF, I had a friend in school who was the surviving twin and issues had to be dealt with (in spoiler as it refers to lady parts, though not in a graphic manner). Trying to remember 50 years ago but I think they knew she was a surviving twin but not sure what tipped them off.
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She had one vagina which split into two uteruses/other lady parts, which was problematic when she became pregnant. They didn't want her to also conceive in the other so it was NO SEX for nine months, not even with condoms. Too risky. I'm not sure why they just didn't do a hysterectomy on the additional organs when they realized the problem but perhaps it wasn't initially obvious to the doctors.
That's fascinating and a perfect example of why doctors and patients should be making medical decisions and politicians should not be.
“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” —John Adams
ok. so there is a phenomenon called Fetal Resorption Syndrome (AKA: Vanishing Twin). in short, a pregnancy begins with twin fetuses, but one fetus fails to develop, disintegrates and is resorbed. The rate at which this happens in humans has not been fully determined, however it is not trivial.
so the question I have, if a baby is born with a caul, should the State of Louisiana charge him/her with murder? (and cannibalism?)
I worked in medical records and it's a lot more common than one would think. AAMAF, I had a friend in school who was the surviving twin and issues had to be dealt with (in spoiler as it refers to lady parts, though not in a graphic manner). Trying to remember 50 years ago but I think they knew she was a surviving twin but not sure what tipped them off.
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She had one vagina which split into two uteruses/other lady parts, which was problematic when she became pregnant. They didn't want her to also conceive in the other so it was NO SEX for nine months, not even with condoms. Too risky. I'm not sure why they just didn't do a hysterectomy on the additional organs when they realized the problem but perhaps it wasn't initially obvious to the doctors.
I work with someone whose niece had cancer in her early 20s. When they removed the tumour (also in lady parts), they discovered it was originally a fetus that had been resorbed.
That's a good Hale thread, here is another good one with context if you really want to grind yer gears.
“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” —John Adams
There is a lot of discussion on Fox and in the halls of nimrod Ted Cruz and his ilk about how this leak is an unfathomable crime that needs to be prosecuted and the offender jailed. But- I haven't seen anyone specify a law that was broken or what the leaker would be prosecuted for. I'm not saying that the leak wasn't against the law, I don't know. But is anyone aware of or has heard anything regarding an actual criminal law that the leaker would be prosecuted and jailed under?
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That's the republican talking point. Ignore the ruling, get apoplectic about the leak.
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i thought the Founders of what was to become the US of A once fought a war against the Brits to kick them off the continent and establish an own Constitution long after this referenced guy. To find an independant way of life and opinion, not be trapped in chains. 
