Roe vs. Wade, American abortion rights

[W. Kevin Vicklund]

Abbott wants to kick out the armed forces? I'm sure there's lots of states that would love to build bases for all those displaced soldiers.

[neeneko]

Abbott wants to kick out the armed forces? I'm sure there's lots of states that would love to build bases for all those displaced soldiers.

Now there would be a showdown I would love to rubberneck.

[Volkonski]

Not abortion related but about women's rights.

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... rtion-bans

The Prosecutors Pledging Not to Enforce Abortion Bans

If — as seems likely — the Supreme Court over­rules Roe v. Wade, at least 26 states are certain or likely to ban many or all abor­tions as soon as Roe is over­turned. Of those states, 13 have trig­ger laws that would go into effect soon after the Court rules.

In Arkan­sas, for instance, the state’s trig­ger law would make it a felony punish­able by up to 10 years in prison for anyone who attempts or performs an abor­tion except to save the life of a preg­nant woman.

But a grow­ing group of prosec­utors is prom­ising to use their char­ging discre­tion and not prosec­ute abor­tion-related conduct if these laws go into effect.

One of the groups organ­iz­ing this effort is Fair and Just Prosec­u­tion, a nonprofit that supports elec­ted prosec­utors who are look­ing to reima­gine the justice system. Exec­ut­ive Director Miriam Krinsky answered some ques­tions about this crit­ical work.

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Krinsky: Nearly 70 elec­ted prosec­utors have already come together in a joint state­ment issued by Fair and Just Prosec­u­tion in Octo­ber 2020 to pledge not to crim­in­al­ize abor­tion, and there is every reason to believe that others will also rally around this commit­ment to not crim­in­al­ize repro­duct­ive choice. In addi­tion to further crim­in­al­iz­ing poverty and the grave public safety and health concerns arising from enfor­cing abor­tion bans, prosec­utors are also account­able to the people, and the vast major­ity of the Amer­ican public supports the right to abor­tion. So, it is my hope and belief that more prosec­utors will take a stand and be on the right side of history on this issue.

[raison de arizona]

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... rtion-bans

The Prosecutors Pledging Not to Enforce Abortion Bans

If — as seems likely — the Supreme Court over­rules Roe v. Wade, at least 26 states are certain or likely to ban many or all abor­tions as soon as Roe is over­turned. Of those states, 13 have trig­ger laws that would go into effect soon after the Court rules.

In Arkan­sas, for instance, the state’s trig­ger law would make it a felony punish­able by up to 10 years in prison for anyone who attempts or performs an abor­tion except to save the life of a preg­nant woman.

But a grow­ing group of prosec­utors is prom­ising to use their char­ging discre­tion and not prosec­ute abor­tion-related conduct if these laws go into effect.

One of the groups organ­iz­ing this effort is Fair and Just Prosec­u­tion, a nonprofit that supports elec­ted prosec­utors who are look­ing to reima­gine the justice system. Exec­ut­ive Director Miriam Krinsky answered some ques­tions about this crit­ical work.

There are many, many reasons why this seems like a horrible plan. Better than nothing, I suppose.

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

https://popular.info/p/what-happens-whe ... patient-is

What happens when every patient is a suspect
SB4, a Texas law passed last year, restricts “drug-induced abortion procedures, providers, and facilities.” The law lists “several medications as abortion-inducing drugs and largely bars their use for abortion after the seventh week of pregnancy.” But two of the banned drugs, misoprostol and mifepristone, “are the only drugs recommended in the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists guidelines for treating a patient after an early pregnancy loss.”

The law specifies that it does not ban misoprostol and mifepristone when the drugs are "prescribed, dispensed, or administered" for other medical reasons. According to NPR, however, some pharmacies are refusing to fill misoprostol and mifepristone prescriptions for miscarriages, arguing that they can’t be certain that patients aren’t going to use the drugs for “the purposes of abortion.”

Earlier this month, a Texas resident allegedly could not pick up her prescription for misoprostol while experiencing a miscarriage, despite being prescribed the drug by a doctor who “spen[t] 30 minutes explaining to a Walgreens pharmacist that she wasn’t having an abortion.”

Denying women experiencing miscarriages the right to proper treatment can be dangerous. According to Mayo Clinic, around “10 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage.” While not all miscarriages require medication or additional care, some require treatment "to stop bleeding and make sure no pregnancy tissue remains, as a guard against infection.”

The other option for a miscarriage treatment is a “surgical uterine evacuation to remove the pregnancy tissue.” But this procedure is the “same approach as for an abortion” and could potentially face similar obstacles, making it even more difficult for women to safely recover from miscarriages.

[raison de arizona]

It's bullshit, but pharmacists have a big exposure here, what is it, a decade in prison? One can hardly blame them for being cautious. But it's complete bullshit.

[AndyinPA]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... us-liberty

...But while religious arguments around the issue are commonly associated with the anti-abortion movement, abortion restrictions can violate the right to religious liberty, faith leaders and legal experts say. And some organizations are already gearing up for possible legal challenges to looming abortion bans.

Religious liberty for people of all faiths is protected under the US constitution, state constitutions and federal statutes.

In Judaism, abortion is usually seen as permissible and even required in cases where the patient’s life is at risk. In Islam, scholars contend that abortion is allowed for the first 120 days, after which it’s seen as a civil – not a criminal – issue, and it’s permitted at any time when the health of the mother is in danger. Other believers, including within Christianity, focus on the sacredness of the individual or the family to make such decisions, rather than prosecutors or lawmakers.



“There are very serious religious liberty questions here,” Ruttenberg said. “If you ban abortion, when my religious tradition tells me that I am a) permitted and b) possibly required to access abortion care, you are limiting my free exercise of religion.”

[raison de arizona]

I wonder what he is going to say when Roe is overturned and mass shootings continue.

Rep. Billy Long (R-MO) blames gun violence on abortion: "Something has happened to our society. I go back to abortion, when we decided it was okay to murder kids in their mothers' wombs. Life has no value to a lot of these folks."

[sugar magnolia]

He's a moron on all topics apparently.

[Volkonski]

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

Cross-posting

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-hea ... 36940ae91e

Synagogue challenges Florida abortion law over religion

A new Florida law prohibiting abortion after 15 weeks with some exceptions violates religious freedom rights of Jews in addition to the state constitution’s privacy protections, a synagogue claims in a lawsuit.

The lawsuit filed by the Congregation L’Dor Va-Dor of Boynton Beach contends the law that takes effect July 1 violates Jewish teachings, which state abortion “is required if necessary to protect the health, mental or physical well-being of the woman” and for other reasons.

“As such, the act prohibits Jewish women from practicing their faith free of government intrusion and this violates their privacy rights and religious freedom,” says the lawsuit, filed Friday in Leon County Circuit Court.

The lawsuit adds that people who “do not share the religious views reflected in the act will suffer” and that it “threatens the Jewish people by imposing the laws of other religions upon Jews.”

The lawsuit is the second challenge to the 15-week abortion ban enacted earlier this year by the Legislature and signed into law by Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. Planned Parenthood and other reproductive health providers also sued earlier this month to block the law from taking effect.

[raison de arizona]

One might argue that constitutional rights should not ebb and flow with the political appointment of justices. That's it. That's the argument.

The Iowa Supreme Court has now overruled its *2018* ruling that there was a fundamental right to abortion under the state's constitution.

All it took was four years and four new justices.

[Volkonski]

[RTH10260]

Sewell Chan@sewellchan
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Jun 18, 2022
I’m reporting with ⁦@eric_neugeboren⁩ from ⁦@TexasGOP⁩ convention in Houston, where the draft platform calls for requiring students to learn that life begins at fertilization and to listen to live ultrasounds. Story coming soon.

[RTH10260]

https:// twitter.com/sewellchan/status/1538249628709277696

Sewell Chan@sewellchan
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Jun 18, 2022
I’m reporting with ⁦@eric_neugeboren⁩ from ⁦@TexasGOP⁩ convention in Houston, where the draft platform calls for requiring students to learn that life begins at fertilization and to listen to live ultrasounds. Story coming soon.

Isn't that what sex ed is all about anyhow?

And how exiting for the rapper and beat generation to listen to recorded sounds that they can also produce on their drum synthesizer. Or will the Republicans require a classmate to step forward and....

[Ben-Prime]

Waiting for the challenge to this on religious freedom grounds that not all religious believe life begins at fertilization.

[AndyinPA]

Waiting for the challenge to this on religious freedom grounds that not all religious believe life begins at fertilization.

I think a Jewish organization in Florida has already done this.

[neonzx]

I think a Jewish organization in Florida has already done this.

That is correct. Under the tenants of the Jewish faith, abortions are permissible under certain conditions.

Really, I don't understand the fundamentalist Christian argument.. I was taught that until a newborn breathes it's first breath, it is a soulless vessel.

[Slim Cognito]

Wouldn’t adopting “life begins at fertilization” make IUDs and birth control pills murder? And what about all those fertilized embryos in the IVF clinics?

[Patagoniagirl]

I think a Jewish organization in Florida has already done this.

That is correct. Under the tenants of the Jewish faith, abortions are permissible under certain conditions.

Really, I don't understand the fundamentalist Christian argument.. I was taught that until a newborn breathes it's first breath, it is a soulless vessel.

I might be wrong but I think the first breath thingy is in the bible.

[AndyinPA]

I think a Jewish organization in Florida has already done this.

That is correct. Under the tenants of the Jewish faith, abortions are permissible under certain conditions.

Really, I don't understand the fundamentalist Christian argument.. I was taught that until a newborn breathes it's first breath, it is a soulless vessel.

I might be wrong but I think the first breath thingy is in the bible.

Yeah, but there's a lot of pickin' and choosin' that goes around.

[W. Kevin Vicklund]

Wouldn’t adopting “life begins at fertilization” make IUDs and birth control pills murder? And what about all those fertilized embryos in the IVF clinics?

See also Hobby Lobby and several anti-abortion bills. Though they've already admitted that the IVF clinic embryos don't count because "they're not in a woman."

I wish I were kidding.

[Slim Cognito]

"not in a woman..." Why don't they just relabel us incubators and get it over with?

[Patagoniagirl]

"not in a woman..." Why don't they just relabel us incubators and get it over with?

Incubators - HA! We're vessels, dontcha know? That's what Maddy Cawthorn says.