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BREAKING: Russia foreign ministry spokeswoman says there will be 'detrimental consequences' if Sweden and Finland try to join NATO
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raison de arizona wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:27 am
BREAKING: Russia foreign ministry spokeswoman says there will be 'detrimental consequences' if Sweden and Finland try to join NATO
I wonder how quickly the process could be here. Russia has just made it clear that they will invade countries that MIGHT join NATO, but being a member would likely shield them. So both nations now have an incentive to make it happen, though they might see themselves as having breathing room while Russia is focused elsewhere. Still, as we saw in WW1 and WW2, things can move quickly once shooting has started.
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Michael McFaul @McFaul wrote: Hearing now that NATO's Very High Readiness Joint Task Force (VJTF) has been activated. Excellent news.
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Sweden and Finland joining NATO would be a direct consequence of Russia invading Ukraine.
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Wait, wait, Putin can't invade Sweden and Finland, those are WYPIPO.

Actually, Ukrainians might be wypipo, nobody knows what color Ukrainians are. They could be blue for all Americans know about the world.
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Well, my maternal grandmother was Ukranian, and she was paler than I am. And I darn near glow in the dark.
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Huh, interesting.
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1 wrote: NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg says that cyberattacks could trigger Article 5 of the organization's charter, the so-called "commitment clause" that considers an attack on any NATO ally an attack on all.
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This feels big.
Phil Stewart @phildstewart wrote: NATO Secretary-General Stoltenberg said the alliance was deploying parts of its combat-ready response force and would continue to send weapons to Ukraine, including air defences "We are now deploying the NATO response force for the first time in the context of collective defence"
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raison de arizona wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:59 pm Huh, interesting.
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1 wrote: NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg says that cyberattacks could trigger Article 5 of the organization's charter, the so-called "commitment clause" that considers an attack on any NATO ally an attack on all.
Oh dear. Given that Anonymous, which is mostly US and EU based, has been attacking the Russian government, that could escalate quickly.
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Imma assume this is a rhetorical question.
The Democrats @TheDemocrats wrote: Why did 63 House Republicans vote against a resolution supporting NATO yesterday?
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raison de arizona wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 5:02 pm Imma assume this is a rhetorical question.
The Democrats @TheDemocrats wrote: Why did 63 House Republicans vote against a resolution supporting NATO yesterday?
I mean, obviously, yes, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't ask the question loudly to cudgel them with it until the answers are given and then cudgel them with those answers.
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Ben-Prime wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:37 am :snippity:

I mean, obviously, yes, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't ask the question loudly to cudgel them with it until the answers are given and then cudgel them with those answers.
Or just cudgel them...I'm good with that...
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Frater I*I wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:31 pm
Ben-Prime wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:37 am :snippity:

I mean, obviously, yes, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't ask the question loudly to cudgel them with it until the answers are given and then cudgel them with those answers.
Or just cudgel them...I'm good with that...
I mean, I won't lie, there was intentionally a theme there to be grabbed and with which to be run. :thumbsup:
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In the meantime...
NATO warships arrive at Finnish port for training exercises

Three NATO warships arrived in the southwestern Finnish port of of Turku on Monday to train with Finland's navy as Helsinki considers the possibility of joining the U.S.-led alliance amid increased tensions with Russia over Ukraine.

Latvian minelayer LVNS Virsaitis and minehunters Estonian ENS Sakala and Dutch HNLMS Schiedam will train with two minehunters from Finland's coastal fleet, the Finnish defence forces said in a statement.

The two-day exercise, set to commence on April 28, will prepare the Finnish ships to take part in NATO response forces in 2022 and focus on "mine countermeasures and working in a multinational framework", the statement said.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/na ... 022-04-25/
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Ben-Prime wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:37 am
raison de arizona wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 5:02 pm Imma assume this is a rhetorical question.
The Democrats @TheDemocrats wrote: Why did 63 House Republicans vote against a resolution supporting NATO yesterday?
I mean, obviously, yes, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't ask the question loudly to cudgel them with it until the answers are given and then cudgel them with those answers.
Cudgel approved.
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I think NATO should embrace independence for Kaliningrad. It is obvious from its location that it has traditionally been part of Germany and Poland.

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