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Double speak
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In the modern day, propaganda doesn't need to make sense or be self consistent, as long as it FEELS right.
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I now call him 'Laughrov' in my head.
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Fight for Bakhmut continues as Russian forces call for more support
Wagner group oligarch warns entire frontline could collapse amid shortages of ammunition in battle for Ukrainian city

Isobel Koshiw in Pokrovsk
Sun 5 Mar 2023 14.26 GMT

Intense fighting has continued in and around the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut as both Kyiv and Moscow seemingly struggle with ammunition shortages and mounting casualties.

Ukrainian forces still control the city despite the street fighting, the deputy mayor of Bakhmut, Oleksandr Marchenko, told BBC Radio 4. Though Russian forces are pounding the routes out of the city, they have publicly pleaded with Moscow for more supplies. Ukrainian troops said one woman was killed and two men were injured attempting to cross a makeshift bridge on Sunday.

The Russian oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin, who controls the mercenary Wagner force that is leading the Russian offensive in Bakhmut, warned late on Saturday that if his men were forced to withdraw, it could lead to the collapse of the entire Russian frontline.

Prigozhin has complained that the Russian ministry of defence is not supporting Wagner’s efforts in terms of men and ammunition.

“If the private mercenary force Wagner retreats from Bakhmut, the whole front will crumble … to the Russian borders and maybe further,” said Prigozhin in a video address on Sunday. “Wagner is the cement … We are drawing the entire Ukrainian army on ourselves, breaking them and destroying them.”

A top Ukrainian commander, Volodymyr Nazarenko, described the situation in the city as “hell” in an interview with Ukraine’s Kyiv24 on Sunday, but said they had stabilised the frontline and that Russian forces were still on the outskirts.

Nazarenko said that Russian forces lacked ammunition and were shelling the city chaotically. But, likewise, Ukrainian forces told the BBC in February that they were also running out of firepower.

Russian forces now occupy areas on three sides of the city to the east, north and south – and there is only one road connecting the city with Ukrainian-controlled territory. However, the Washington-based thinktank, the Institute for the Study of War, said the Russians were unlikely to be able to encircle the city soon as their advances were still “slow and gradual”.

Western military analysts have been predicting that Ukraine would order a tactical withdrawal from Bakhmut, to stem losses and regroup. But the Ukrainian military insisted they were staying put, with spokesperson for the east, Serhiy Cherevatyi, denying on Saturday that they were planning to withdraw in an interview with CNN.





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From various video clip feeds I conclude that the Ukrainians have a certain succcess in drone based observation and locating ammunition storages behind the front line. When they see Russians unloading trucks they will wait until the delivery is in storage, then direct artillery fire to destroy the fresh consignment. At the front they scout the trenches for local ammo storage, then deploy mortar fire or drop small bombs from drones to destroy the ammo. They will also detect open air ammo dumps where Russian forces made a fast retreat and left their resources behind. Sometime last autumn they had a spectacular success: they observed a cargo train arriving directly from Russia at some station further behind the front lines. They waited until the cargo had been unloaded from the wagons and stored in sheds at the station. With all eggs in a basket they bombarded with long range missiles the station, the whole delivery went up in a massive explosion, damaging the station badly, including track and overhead electricity lines, and most of the train that was still stationed there.
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Not only but also, last year they also found a lot of ammo that Russians forgot to pick up and take with them when they left Kherson.

I understand they very kindly returned it.
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keith wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 1:17 am :yeahthat:

Not only but also, last year they also found a lot of ammo that Russians forgot to pick up and take with them when they left Kherson.

I understand they very kindly returned it.
They most likely delivered it by air express.
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jcolvin2 wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:33 am
Foreign Minister Lavrov said:

"The war, which we are trying to stop, which was launched against us, using…" he said as the crowd's laughter cut him off.

"Using Ukrainian people," he tried to go on, as the laughter continued and a voice interjected, "come on."
The assertion that Ukraine started the war conflicts with prior Russian propaganda. Until quite recently, the Russians referred to the conflict as a “special action” to remove Zelenskyy and “de-Nazify” Ukraine, rather than a “war.” How can a “special action” to achieve these goals have been started by Ukraine?

Ukraine was wearing slutty clothes and asking for it.
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It doesn't need to be true if the intended audience isn't likely to see what is true or believe it if they do.
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Wagner chief says Russian position at Bakhmut at risk without promised ammunition

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The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary force warned that Russia's position around the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut was in peril unless his troops got ammunition, the latest sign of tension between the Kremlin and the private militia chief.

Ukrainian military officials and analysts also reported leaders of Russia's 155th Brigade fighting near the town of Vuhledar, south of Bakhmut, were resisting orders to attack after sustaining severe losses in attempts to capture it.

For its part, the Russian Defence Ministry on Sunday said Russian forces had hit a command centre of the Ukrainian Azov Regiment in southeastern Zaporizhzhia region. The ministry did not elaborate on the attack.

Reuters could not independently verify the battlefield accounts.

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin said Russia's front lines near Bakhmut could collapse if his forces did not receive the ammunition promised by Moscow in February.
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Russia is deploying Mad Max level armour

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Looks like the Russians are transferring ship anti-aircraft towers to tanks. Good war time engineering, I mean that truely, since their ships are currently locked out of service in the Black Sea. Remember how the US troops made battelfield modifications to their Humvees in Iraq and Afghanistan?
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Gleaned from my observations of Youtoube feeds:

It seems that the Ukranian have in the last few days hit two Russian bases deep in Russian territory, not in the occupied regions, reportedly and unconfirmed at each location several hundred killed (I interpret that as or "injured" and unfit for battle), if true there has likely also been some damage to staged resources. The Ukranians have according to this reporting new alimited number of far reaching missiles at hand.

It seems that the Ukranians are also targeting higher up commanders behind the front line, likely observed from intelligence obtained from leaky communications or cell phones. Recently a commander was killed when he held a party for some decoration he received, with some tens of guests perished too also. Target of the missile was a bar!
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The for a Russian version of "Bar Rescue"
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Russia launches six hypersonic missiles in massive barrage against Ukraine
At least six people killed as energy and other infrastructure damaged in biggest Russian missile attack in weeks

Lorenzo Tondo in Kyiv
Thu 9 Mar 2023 17.17 GMT

Russia launched six hypersonic missiles able to evade air defences in the early hours of Thursday morning as it unleashed its largest missile barrage against Ukraine in three weeks.

Critical infrastructure and residential buildings in 10 regions had been hit, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said. At least six people were killed in a missile strike on a residential area in the western Lviv region, 440 miles (700km) from the frontline, according to emergency services. Three buildings were destroyed by fire after the strike and rescue workers were combing through rubble looking for more possible victims.

“The occupiers can only terrorise civilians. That’s all they can do. But it won’t help them. They won’t avoid responsibility for everything they have done,” Zelenskiy said in a statement.

In the capital, Kyiv, the seven-hour alert through the night was the longest of Russia’s five-month air campaign.

Ukrainian officials said Moscow had fired six of its Kinzhal hypersonic missiles, an unprecedented number, which Ukraine has no way of shooting down. Russia is believed to have only a few dozen of the missiles, which the president, Vladimir Putin, regularly touts in speeches as a weapon for which Nato has no answer.




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The 4-metre-wide board detailing the entire Russian military chain of command in Ukraine
Chart used by Ukrainian prosecutors maps hundreds of Russian soldiers all the way up to Vladimir Putin

by Lorenzo Tondo and Pjotr Sauer
Tue 14 Mar 2023 05.00 GMT

For more than a year, Russian jets have been pounding Ukrainian cities, destroying hospitals and apartment blocks, while Moscow’s troops on the ground have been accused of executing civilians. Flooded with evidence of Russian war crimes, Ukrainian prosecutors moved swiftly.

Kyiv has compiled hundreds of dossiers, naming more than 600 Russians – many of them high-ranking political and military officials – as suspects. The suspects range from senior officials including the defence minister, Sergei Shoigu, to a lesser-known colonel believed to be responsible for some of the most brutal aerial attacks on Ukraine.

As the international criminal court in The Hague opens two war crimes cases tied to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Guardian profiles some of the commanders and generals accused by Ukraine, based on interviews with former soldiers, defence officials and open-source data.

The Guardian has also reviewed a board used by Ukrainian prosecutors to track evidence of Russian war crimes. The board, 4 metres wide by 1.5 metres high, contains a detailed diagram of the entire Russian military chain of command in Ukraine. There are names and mugshots: an array of those under investigation by Ukraine for possible involvement in war crimes. The chart maps hundreds of Russian soldiers, divided by regiment, all the way up to the supreme commander-in-chief, Vladimir Putin.

“We started mapping the Russian commanders and generals last year,” said Oleksandr Filchakov, the chief prosecutor for the Kharkiv region who alongside colleagues in other regions has been working on the board since the Russian invasion. “And we keep updating it, week after week.”




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#Russia Ambassador Antonov has reportedly arrived at the State Department following a summons over the Black Sea drone downing.
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this:
Russian fighter jet forces down US drone over Black Sea

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Updated 5:34 PM EDT, Tue March 14, 2023

CNN — A Russian fighter jet forced down a US Air Force drone over the Black Sea on Tuesday after damaging the propeller of the American MQ-9 Reaper drone, according to the US military.

The Reaper drone and two Russian Su-27 aircraft were flying over international waters over the Black Sea on Tuesday when one of the Russian jets intentionally flew in front of and dumped fuel on the unmanned drone several times, a statement from US European Command said.

The aircraft then hit the propeller of the drone, prompting US forces to bring the MQ-9 drone down in international waters. Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder added Tuesday that the Russian aircraft flew “in the vicinity” of the drone for 30 to 40 minutes before colliding just after 7 a.m. Central European Time.

“Our MQ-9 aircraft was conducting routine operations in international airspace when it was intercepted and hit by a Russian aircraft, resulting in a crash and complete loss of the MQ-9,” Air Force Gen. James B. Hecker, commander of US Air Forces Europe and Air Forces Africa, said in the statement. “In fact, this unsafe and unprofessional act by the Russians nearly caused both aircraft to crash.”




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Russia disinformation looks to US far right to weaken Ukraine support
The Kremlin is deploying new tactics by drawing on favorite themes and conspiracy theories of rightwing Republicans

Peter Stone in Washington
Thu 16 Mar 2023 07.00 GMT

As Russia’s ruthless war against Ukraine has faced major setbacks since it began a year ago, the Kremlin has deployed new disinformation themes and tactics to weaken US support for Kyiv with help from conservative media stars and some Republicans in Congress, according to new studies and experts.

Moscow’s disinformation messages have included widely debunked conspiracy theories about US bioweapon labs in Ukraine, and pet themes on the American right that portray the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, as an ally in backing traditional values, religion and family in the fight against “woke” ideas.

Further, new studies from thinktanks that track disinformation have noted that alternative social media platforms such as Parler, Rumble, Gab and Odysee have increasingly been used to spread Russian falsehoods since Facebook and Twitter have imposed more curbs on Moscow’s propaganda.

Other pro-Russian messages focused on the economic costs of the war for the US have been echoed by Republicans in the powerful far-right House Freedom Caucus such as Marjorie Taylor Greene, Scott Perry and Paul Gosar, who to varying degrees have questioned giving Ukraine more military aid and demanded tougher oversight.

Since Russia launched its invasion last February, the Fox News host Tucker Carlson and Trump ally – turned influential far-right podcaster – Steve Bannon have promoted some of the most baseless claims that help bolster the Kremlin’s aggression.

For instance, Bannon’s War Room podcast in February 2022 featured an interview with Erik Prince, the wealthy US founder of Blackwater, where they both enthused that Putin’s policies were “anti-woke” and praised Putin’s homophobia and transphobia.

Last month too on the anniversary of Moscow’s invasion, Carlson revved up his attacks on US support for Ukraine claiming falsely that Biden’s goal had become “overthrowing Putin and putting American tanks in Red Square because, sure, we could manage Russia once we overthrow the dictator”.

Analysts who track Russia’s disinformation see synergies between the Kremlin and parts of the US right that have helped spread some of the biggest falsehoods since the start of the invasion.




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Something happened. 'Wagners' confirm their withdrawal to Russia (UATV News VIDEO

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-18/ ... /102114940

The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued an arrest warrant against Russian President Vladimir Putin, accusing him of being responsible for the war crime of illegal deportation of children from Ukraine.

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The ICC called for Mr Putin's arrest for the unlawful deportation of children and unlawful transfer of people from the territory of Ukraine to Russia
The court also issued a warrant for Russia's Commissioner for Children's Rights, Maria Lvova-Belova
Russia says the arrest warrants had "no meaning for our country" as it is not a party to the Rome Statute
The ICC called for Mr Putin's arrest on suspicion of unlawful deportation of children and unlawful transfer of people from the territory of Ukraine to the Russian Federation.
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Volkonski wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:11 am Something happened. 'Wagners' confirm their withdrawal to Russia (UATV News VIDEO

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No other news on Google confirming this at the moment. There have been earlier reports that Putin was unhappy with the Wagner group not getting control of the city of Bakhmut. The Wagner group complaining that it is running low on ammunition and support from their masters in Moscow.
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this is a few days old, NV News is a Ukranian outlet, grains of salt may be required
Conflict between Russian MoD and Wagner’s Prigozhin reaching climax

March 13, 2023, 11:08 AM

The conflict between the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin likely reached its climax against the backdrop of the battle for the town of Bakhmut, Donetsk Oblast.

That’s according to U.S. think tank the Institute for the Study of War or ISW, writing in its Ukraine report for March 12.

In particular, the Russian MoD – and specifically Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu and Chief of the Russian General Staff General Valery Gerasimov – are likely seizing the opportunity to deliberately expend both elite and convict Wagner forces in Bakhmut in an effort to weaken Prigozhin and derail his ambitions for greater influence in the Kremlin.

In this regard, according to ISW, the Russian MoD had been increasingly restricting Prigozhin’s ability to recruit convicts and secure ammunition, forcing Prigozhin to publicly recognize his dependency on the Russian MoD.

Prigozhin himself has threatened to withdraw Wagner forces from Bakhmut and insinuated that the Russian MoD used Wagner to bear the brunt of the high-intensity attritional urban warfare to seize Bakhmut in order to conserve Russian conventional forces.

These threats and complaints indicate that Prigozhin is aware of the gravity of his conflict with the Russian MoD, ISW analysts said.

Meanwhile, according to ISW analysts, the Russian military leadership may be trying to deplete Wagner forces – and Prigozhin’s influence – in Bakhmut. Russian forces’ rate of advance in Bakhmut slowed following the Ukrainian withdrawal from eastern Bakhmut around March 7.

ISW assessed on March 6 that Wagner had to commit its elite forces to maintain offensive momentum in Bakhmut but may be running out of these forces during direct assaults on eastern, southern, and northern parts of Bakhmut.

“The Russian military leadership may be allowing the Wagner Group to take high casualties in Bakhmut to simultaneously erode Prigozhin’s leverage while capturing the city at the expense of Wagner troops,” ISW analysts said.

ISW pointed out that the conflict between the Russian MoD and Wagner shows that different parties in Putin’s inner circle are competing with one another in potentially zero-sum games that do not further Putin’s overall objectives.

In particular, the Russian MoD is currently prioritizing eliminating Wagner on the battlefields in Bakhmut, which is likely slowing down the rate of advance in the area. Prigozhin saw Bakhmut as an opportunity to gain leverage on the Russian MoD and likely in the Kremlin in pursuit of his own commercial and political aspirations.

At the same time, Putin used Wagner to protect his regime from detrimental societal ramifications of mobilization, which also continues to inhibit his war efforts in Ukraine.



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It would be good if he could be brought before the ICC

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-19/ ... /102117756

Vladimir Putin visits Mariupol during tour of occupied Ukraine, in apparent act of defiance after arrest warrant

President Vladimir Putin has made a surprise weekend visit to the war-ravaged port of Mariupol, state media reports, in the Kremlin leader's first trip to the Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine's Donbas region since the conflict began.

Key points:
Mr Putin toured several districts of Mariupol, making stops and talking to residents.
The visit comes a day after he travelled to the annexed peninsula of Crimea
His trips are seen by observers as an act of defiance after an arrest warrant was issued for the Russian leader

The visit came after Mr Putin travelled to Crimea on Saturday in an unannounced tour to mark the ninth anniversary of Russia's annexation of the peninsula from Ukraine, and just two days after the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued an arrest warrant for the Russian leader.
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Hitler visited Mariupol in 1941:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another dictator also visited Mariupol once. We know how his story ended.<br><br>📷: Hitler visiting Army Group South HQ at Mariupol, Ukraine in December 1941.<br><br>&quot;Many historians and contemporaries claim that it was here that Hitler first realized the war was lost&quot; - WarHistoryOnline <a href="https://t.co/jcWUjyxLzG">pic.twitter.co ... </p>&mdash; Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) <a href=" 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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