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Post by ZekeB » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:07 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
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Of course, when it's a secret ballot and the vote is 99-1 for conviction, you'll have 53 senators saying they were the not guilty vote. They are that shameless.
That works for me. There is always the one gun in the firing squad that has a blank. Everyone in the firing squad can say "I didn't do it."


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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:54 pm

Slim Cognito wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:28 am
In my best Gomer voice, "Surprise, surprise, surprise!"
Trump impeachment: White House 'can't find any record' of call which president insists exonerates him
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-impeachmen ... _test=1_04
news.yahoo.com wrote:According to The Washington Post, which cited an unnamed administration official, the White House has located no record of the conversation in its switchboard logs, though Mr Trump may have used a personal mobile.
A president using an unsecured phone? :o

All secret services will already know about the content (*). Why not ask Russia to present the evidence of the exonerating words :?:




(*) I wonder if that includes the NSA and they are just forbidden to reveal it cause American citizen, and cause assumed potus.



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Post by Jeffrey » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:37 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:54 pm
A president using an unsecured phone? :o
How do we know that Russia hasn't hacked the server phone and gotten the e-mails phone call? Could the server phone be in Ukraine by now?



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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:16 am

fierceredpanda wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:03 am
Apparently the White House is hiring Mark Penn (yes, the Clintons' old pollster rivaled only by Dick Morris in the category of "Clinton Administration Alumnus Most Loathed Within the Democratic Party") to help with strategy. That should go well.

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RawStory wrote:Turning to the hiring of Penn, Lockhart added, “I don’t expect — on Mark Penn — as a partisan Democrat, I’m glad he’s advising the president. He’s a very divisive guy, not well-liked among his peers and he will inject chaos into the process.
in https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/trumps ... -official/



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Post by Foggy » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:08 am

Penn is the guy, IIRC, who didn't understand the allocation of delegates in the primaries, especially in California. He (and Hillary) thought that if you won the state, you got ALL the delegates. Based on that misapprehension, their plan was to wrap up the nomination by Super Tuesday 2008. When that didn't happen, they had no plan B, and Obama won the next 13 caucuses and primaries in a row, and he took the lead.

All because of the guy who was in charge of the campaign, but didn't understand the rules.

I'm thrilled that he's working for Twitler. :thumbs:


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Post by Slim Cognito » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:24 am

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-tal ... ss-is-adam

He says that as if Adam Schiff's testimony is going to help them.
Top Judiciary Republican: 'My first and foremost witness is Adam Schiff'
I can hear it now.

R: Did you coach the whistleblower?
AS: No.
R: Did you coach the whistleblower?
AS: No.
R: Yes you did.
AS: No I didn't.
R: Poopyhead!

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Post by fierceredpanda » Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:16 pm

It's going to be even better when Schiff throws the White House's strategy of refusing subpoenas back in their faces with a nasty letter reminding them that Article I, Section 6, Clause 1 of the Constitution renders the members of either House of Congress absolutely immune from legal process pertaining to their official duties. Schiff's part in all of this plainly falls within the scope of the Clause. Republicans and the White House can call him as a witness all they want, and he can tell them to fuck right off.


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Post by Foggy » Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:26 pm

fierceredpanda wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:16 pm
Republicans and the White House can call him as a witness all they want, and he can tell them to fuck right off.
They know that and it's part of the plan. It's all about the whining and crying now, and there will be a ton of whining and crying about Schiff, whether he testifies or not.


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Post by Addie » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:51 pm

AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s Ukraine defense collides with facts



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Addie wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:51 pm
AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s Ukraine defense collides with facts
:brickwallsmall: His base is gullible enough to believe all of his 10,000 + lies and will NEVER be convinced otherwise. There seems to be nothing that they won’t accept as gospel truth when he says it, even something as minor as when he claimed he was at an Apple plant on a Monday, when it was actually a Wednesday. When the true day was pointed out to them they simply replied “Fake News!” They can’t all be that stupid so it’s got to be pure brainwashing. :smokeears:


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Post by Addie » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:47 pm

CBS News
House Republicans defend Trump in 110-page report on impeachment inquiry

Washington — House Republicans released a report detailing their conclusions from the initial stages of the impeachment investigation, issuing a staunch defense of President Trump's dealings with Ukraine and accusing Democrats of conducting "an orchestrated campaign to upend our political system."

The 110-page report, written by Republican staffers on the House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight Committees, is meant to supplement the Democrats' report on their findings, which members will begin reviewing on Monday evening. Both reports will ultimately be sent to the Judiciary Committee, which is set to begin holding its own hearings this week.

The Republicans' report argues that the evidence collected over nearly two months of private and public testimony does not support the allegations at the center of the impeachment inquiry, which they portray as an attempt to overturn the results of the 2016 campaign.

"The Democrats' impeachment inquiry is not the organic outgrowth of serious misconduct; it is an orchestrated campaign to upend our political system," it says. "The Democrats are trying to impeach a duly elected President based on the accusations and assumptions of unelected bureaucrats who disagreed with President Trump's policy initiatives and processes."
Adding:
WaPo - Aaron Blake: John Kennedy vs. Vladimir Putin: How Trump defenders’ Ukraine talking points compare to what Russians say



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Post by Addie » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:23 pm

WaPo - Paul Waldman
The White House’s impeachment defense? No defense at all.

On Sunday, White House Counsel Pat Cipollone wrote an angry letter refusing the invitation from Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) for the White House to send lawyers to participate in the impeachment hearings that will begin this Wednesday. While it’s possible that they might change their minds in later hearings, for now the White House has made clear that they’d prefer to pretend that the entire process is somehow not real.

The best defense, they’ve decided, is no defense at all.

Cipollone’s letter, like many documents produced by the president’s private lawyers and government lawyers alike, is written in a Trumpian tone, full of preposterous assertions and childish whining, as though the authors were laboring to channel the president’s distinctive rhetorical style. Its central argument is that the president’s rights have been violated, citing “the complete lack of due process and fundamental fairness afforded the President throughout this purported impeachment inquiry.” ...

Of course, impeachment is not precisely like a criminal proceeding, though it has some parallels. In particular, this phase of the process is where the president has the opportunity to mount his own defense. Yet it appears he may choose not to.

Which isn’t all that surprising, because at this point it’s hard to see what brilliant defense Trump might have up his sleeve. In the Intelligence Committee hearings, we saw what the Republican defense of Trump would look like. They had an opportunity for their counsel to cross-examine witnesses at length. They had Republican members present their best arguments for Trump’s innocence. They had Rep. Jim Jordan do his exasperated-shouting routine. They had Rep. Devin Nunes deliver speeches mixing bizarre claims with debunked conspiracy theories. They gave it everything they had.



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Post by Addie » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:47 pm

WaPo - Philip Bump
Assessing the Republicans’ 10 ‘findings’ in their impeachment inquiry report

The second person to speak during the public hearings that were part of the House Intelligence Committee’s impeachment inquiry into President Trump’s interactions with Ukraine was ranking panel Republican Devin Nunes. His opening statement wove together criticism of Democrats, dismissal of his opponents’ motivations and a reframing of Trump’s demonstrated actions to suggest that nothing untoward happened in Trump’s July 25 conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky or at any other point before or after that conversation.

Over the course of about 30 hours of testimony, Nunes’s skepticism only strengthened. His last comment, offered after the last two witnesses testified, was similarly dismissive of Trump’s guilt.

“What you’re seeing in this room over the past two weeks is a show trial,” said Nunes (R-Calif.), “the planned result of three years of political operations and dirty tricks, campaigns waged against this president. And like any good show trial, the verdict was decided before the trial ever began.”

On Monday, The Washington Post obtained a 123-page document drafted by Nunes and other senior House Republicans that offers a rebuttal to the expected report from the Democratic majority. The thrust of the document is that Trump’s interactions with Ukraine were aboveboard and understandable, an outgrowth of his demonstrated commitments and concerns that suggested no ulterior motives — and, indeed, that no such motives were shown. It is, in essence, a formalized, more tonally neutral version of the argument that Nunes offered repeatedly from the dais — and one that is often at odds with the testimony that Nunes and his colleagues heard.

The document delineates 10 findings to exonerate Trump. They are listed in bold below, followed by our analysis of how robust an argument can be made for them.
Adding:
Daily Beast: Republicans Do Their Best to Distance Trump From Giuliani in Impeachment Report

Despite testimony that the president told U.S. and Ukrainian officials to “talk to Rudy,” a voluminous new Republican report insists Trump’s lawyer was not speaking on his behalf.



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Post by Addie » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:10 am

NPR
DOJ: Judge Was Wrong To Rule That House Has Right To See Secret Mueller Docs

The Justice Department says releasing secret grand jury documents from then-special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe to House lawmakers engaged in the impeachment inquiry could discourage future witnesses to presidential abuse from cooperating with grand juries.

"It is not difficult to imagine that a witness in a future investigation of alleged presidential misconduct might be deterred from testifying fully or frankly if she believed that her testimony would be readily disclosed to the House for use in impeachment proceedings," Justice Department lawyers wrote in a brief filed on Monday to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

Attorneys for the Justice Department are asking the appeals court to reverse a lower court's decision ordering the transfer of Mueller grand jury material to House investigators on a two-pronged argument: that an impeachment inquiry is not a "judicial proceeding" and that the House does not really need the documents to complete the impeachment investigation.

The legal standard required for such sensitive material to be sent to Congress requires that lawmakers show they need the secret material to fill holes in a story, assist in fully investigating or check if a witness is being truthful.

The Justice Department lawyers argue that the lower court ordered the documents be sent to the House without lawmakers ever meeting that standard.

"Instead, the district court applied an impeachment-specific and toothless version of that standard—so toothless that the court even ordered the disclosure of grand-jury information that the Committee conceded that it did not need," wrote Assistant Attorney General Joseph Hunt.
Adding:
NBC News: Newly released documents shed light on Mueller-Trump meeting

Trump has claimed Mueller applied to be FBI director and was "turned down." But the documents don't back up the president's version of events.
Axios: Read: Second release of FBI summaries of Mueller probe interviews



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Post by Addie » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:42 pm

WaPo - Carol D. Leonnig
Trump’s personal attorneys remain largely on the sidelines as the president contends with impeachment inquiry

President Trump enters a perilous phase of the impeachment inquiry with very limited help from his personal lawyers, who remain largely on the sidelines and in the dark about evidence at the heart of the probe gathered by the White House, according to two people familiar with the situation.

As the House begins discussing specific articles of impeachment, the president is relying almost exclusively on White House Counsel Pat Cipollone and his in-house team of attorneys, according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

In the face of allegations that Trump abused his office for political gain, the White House lawyers are not sharing with his personal attorneys some internal government records central to the inquiry about the pressure the administration put on Ukraine, citing the need to protect executive privilege.

The unusual decision to have the White House counsel captain the president’s defense — at least for now — departs from how previous presidents have contended with impeachment proceedings and has worried some Trump allies, who believe a multipronged defense would be stronger.

It also contrasts sharply with the legal strategy the White House deployed in responding to former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation. In that case, Trump’s personal lawyers led his defense in coordination with select White House attorneys.



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Post by Addie » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:44 pm

PolitiFact: Fact-checking House Republicans’ impeachment report defending Trump on Ukraine



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WaPo - Jennifer Rubin
Republican squawking can’t distract from Democrats’ key points in hearing

The impeachment process has moved from fact-finding in the House Intelligence Committee to the consideration of articles of impeachment in the House Judiciary Committee. By definition, this is a process in which we are not likely to learn anything new about the underlying facts, but we might learn something about the Republicans’ strategy and ability to mount a cogent defense.

In general, Republicans were predictably incoherent and loud (why must Georgia Rep. Douglas A. Collins scream?), but failed to stop Democrats from making their key point: The evidence produced by the Intelligence Committee, as the three law professors called by Democrats laid out, more than meets the standard for high crimes and misdemeanors and bribery. As events played out Wednesday morning, a few moments stand out.

First, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) made clear in his opening remarks that Democrats have not foreclosed the possibility of voting on articles that encompass activity outside the Ukraine scandal. “Of course, this is not the first time that President Trump has engaged in this pattern of conduct,” he said of the attempt to engage Ukraine in our election. “In 2016, the Russian government engaged in a sweeping and systematic campaign of interference in our elections. In the words of special counsel Robert Mueller, ‘the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome.’”

Nadler noted that “the president welcomed that interference” once he was president. He added: “On July 24, the special counsel testified before this committee. He implored us to see the nature of the threat to our country: ‘Over the course of my career, I have seen a number of challenges to our democracy. The Russian government’s effort to interfere in our elections is among the most serious. ... [This] deserves the attention of every American.' Ignoring that warning, President Trump called the Ukrainian president the very next day to ask him to investigate the president’s political opponent.” In short, the Russia case was the predicate for inviting Ukraine to interfere, and the Ukraine scandal demonstrates that Trump will continue to solicit foreign help and to obstruct Congress unless impeached and removed.



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Orange man’s new defense is that “us” in the transcript refers to the United States. This is of course in conflict with the next part of the transcript where he tells Zelensky to speak to Rudy, who doesn’t represent the United States.



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Jeffrey wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:09 am


Orange man’s new defense is that “us” in the transcript refers to the United States. This is of course in conflict with the next part of the transcript where he tells Zelensky to speak to Rudy, who doesn’t represent the United States.
which, in turn, creates a new conflict with his recent statement that he didn't know what Rudy was up to in Ukraine.


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A look inside Trump’s anti-impeachment spin factory

On a recent Thursday morning, more than a dozen Trump administration officials watching television in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building next to the White House spontaneously stood up and applauded.

President Trump had just yelled to reporters on the South Lawn, “I want nothing. I want nothing.” He had read from notes written in Sharpie in a small notebook, selectively quoting his own comments in a call with his ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, who had described the conversation in otherwise damning testimony to the House Intelligence Committee.

The clip played on a loop for the rest of the afternoon on cable news channels. It provided cause for celebration for the group of Trump staffers, who are part of a rapid-response operation set up just weeks ago to bend opinion against the effort to impeach the president.

The moment changed the news cycle. Trump “forced the media to cover our side of the story,” said a White House official involved in the communications effort who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record about internal administration discussions.

But they were also celebrating a rare feat: The small team of officials in that room — pulled from the communications, legislative, digital and legal affairs departments in the White House — had just observed Trump following a talking point.

That had occurred because of an effort being managed out of a bunkerlike space underneath the Oval Office by temporary White House hires Tony Sayegh and Pam Bondi. What they are running is not a traditional war room but more of an anti-impeachment talking-point factory built for an impeachment battle playing out in a frenetic news cycle that burns through half a dozen fresh revelations a day. The environment favors Trump’s approach of repeating a single catchphrase endlessly until it sinks in.



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Post by neonzx » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:01 pm

Estiveo wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:56 am
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Pretty much sums it up.


To which Trump replied, Fuck the law. I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money.

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Post by Kendra » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:03 pm

neonzx wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:01 pm
Estiveo wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:56 am
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Pretty much sums it up.
Yep. McCarthy was just on answering questions from reporters. I can't follow their logic :dazed:

We need a word salad emoji. Pretty please :prettyplease:



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