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E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)

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What will the jury decide?

Trump liable for rape; award of more than a million dollars
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63%
Trump liable for rape; award of less than a million dollars
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19%
Trump liable for rape; award of one dollar (it's possible!)
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3%
Trump not liable for rape or assault
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4%
Hung jury, which means mistrial and new trial later
8
11%
 
Total votes: 72

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This case is being heard today.

Wonkette is live blogging -

https://www.wonkette.com/liveblog-e-jea ... nd-circuit

And Jennifer Taub is live tweeting -

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TY.
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E. Jean Carroll @ejeancarroll wrote: Place: Federal Court

Day: 2/22/2022

Forecast: the wrath of the gods will rain down. Plus 14-mph winds.

Case: Carroll v. Trump

Attorneys: Greatest Civil Rights Lawyers in America---Robbie Kaplan and Joshua Matz

Argument: Trump is asking to amend his answer so he can sue me.
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Former President Trump’s Legal Team Struggles in Court in Quest to Countersue E. Jean Carroll

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/fo ... n-carroll/
Former President Donald Trump’s lawyers asked a federal judge on Tuesday to allow him to amend his answer to rape accuser E. Jean Carroll’s complaint in order to file a countersuit.

Skewering the ex-president’s lawyers during oral arguments stretching roughly an hour, the judge appeared inclined to reject that effort.

“Why isn’t amendment futile?” Senior U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan asked Trump’s lawyer Alina Habba at one point, leaving little doubt at the end of his questioning that he believed that it was.

Toward the end of the Trump presidency, Carroll filed a lawsuit, initially in state court, claiming that the then-president defamed her by falsely denying that he raped her in the dressing room of the department store Bergdorf Goodman in the 1990s, but for the better part of its life, proceedings have revolved less around her allegations than whether the case caption should even be Carroll v. Trump. The case went to federal court after the Department of Justice intervened.
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Trump's lawyer Alina Habba had another rough day in court, fresh from her defeat in the NYAG subpoena case.
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This past week has made a dent in my popcorn stores. Good thing I accidentally bought twice what I intended! :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Tim Hogan 浩勤 @TimInHonolulu wrote: In SDNY, E. Jean Carroll informs the court of the intention to sue #45 under New York State's Adult Survivor's Act when it become effective on November 24, 2022. #Thanksgiving.
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MN-Skeptic wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:05 pm
I'm just catching up on this thread. I heartily recommend Judge Kaplan's decision for its calm, methodical, and complete vivisection of lawyer Alina Haba, her competence, her conduct, and the behavior of her client.
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... -trump.pdf

Judge Kaplan is an experienced, hard-assed judge, whose field of fucks has been barren for decades. Most of the decision consists of pounding the rubble, and one can only conclude that Kaplan is spending the time to do so because he wants to.
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Adam Klasfeld @KlasfeldReports wrote: In a new letter, E. Jean Carroll's counsel asked a judge to deny Trump's request to pause discovery after his partial Second Circuit victory.

Buried in a footnote is a quiet revelation: Trump's deposition in the case has been scheduled for Oct. 19. #AlwaysReadtheFootnotes
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 6d42783366
(Bloomberg) -- Former President Donald Trump’s lawyers were told by a federal judge to “stop wasting time” after they tried halting the deposition of former White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham in a defamation lawsuit minutes after it began, citing her painkiller medication.

Grisham -- who famously never held a press conference and resigned her subsequent post as chief of staff to the first lady after the Jan. 6 insurrection -- was deposed Thursday in Kansas by lawyers for New York columnist E. Jean Carroll.

“Stop wasting time,” US Distract Judge Lewis Kaplan in Manhattan said to Trump’s lawyers during a brief hearing held over the phone during a break in the deposition, according to a transcript. “It goes forward.”

The sworn testimony was briefly delayed after Trump attorney Michael Madaio tried to halt the deposition when Grisham confirmed she’d taken her prescribed painkillers, though a smaller dose than normal.

Trump is set to be deposed in the case on Oct. 19, though he’ll argue at a hearing Friday for Carroll’s suit to be put on hold pending the resolution of a key question on appeal. Carroll claims Trump raped her two decades ago and then defamed her by calling her a liar while he was in office.
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You use the same strategy too many times, and they start to catch on.
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Trump has lashed out in reaction to Judge Kaplan's ruling, and he might have shot himself in the foot worse than usual, by essentially repeating the defamatory remarks that were the predicate for Carroll's lawsuit. See the AP article linked to and quoted from below.

Carroll could bring a new action based on these statements. Since he's no longer president, there would be no basis for the federal government to intervene, substitute itself as defendant, and seek dismissal based on sovereign immunity.

Tristan Snell, a former lawyer in the New York Attorney General's office who worked on the Trump University case, has picked up on this.


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Trump just ruined his entire defense against E. Jean Carroll.

He had argued that because he was President when he made the alleged defamation, he was immune. That issue is on appeal.

NOW HE JUST REPEATED THE ALLEGED DEFAMATION, tonight. And he’s no longer president. Oops.
But as is often the case with Snell's tweets, his conclusion is mostly hot-headed baloney.


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DOJ must now drop its defense of Trump in the E. Jean Carroll case. He just repeated the alleged defamation while no longer president. So the issue of whether he could be sued for a defamation he committed while president is now moot.

DOJ should withdraw from the case tomorrow.
There would be no basis for the DOJ to withdraw from the existing action unless and until Carroll had amended her complaint to substitute claims based on Trump's latest comments for her original allegations based on Trump's statements while he was president.

And her lawyers might not bother to amend her federal case, since she will shortly be able to sue Trump directly for rape, under a recently-enacted New York statute of limitations revival statute.

Still, it's pleasing to see Trump behaving in such a self-destructive way.

https://apnews.com/article/new-york-law ... f1f1b929d9
“I don’t know this woman, have no idea who she is, other than it seems she got a picture of me many years ago, with her husband, shaking my hand on a reception line at a celebrity charity event,” Trump said.
“She completely made up a story that I met her at the doors of this crowded New York City Department Store and, within minutes, ‘swooned’ her. It is a Hoax and a lie, just like all the other Hoaxes that have been played on me for the past seven years,” he said.
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Trump deposed in E Jean Carroll lawsuit accusing him of rape
The deposition allowed the writer’s lawyers to interrogate the ex-president, though details weren’t immediately disclosed

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Wed 19 Oct 2022 23.50 BST

Donald Trump answered questions under oath Wednesday in a lawsuit filed by E Jean Carroll, a magazine columnist who says the Republican former president raped her in the mid-1990s in a department store dressing room.

The deposition gave Carroll’s lawyers a chance to interrogate Trump about the assault allegations as well as statements he made in 2019 when she told her story publicly for the first time.

Details on how the deposition went weren’t immediately disclosed.

“We’re pleased that on behalf of our client, E Jean Carroll, we were able to take Donald Trump’s deposition today. We are not able to comment further,” said a spokesperson for the law firm representing her, Kaplan Hecker & Fink.




https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... pe-lawsuit
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"How did you feel when you heard Ms Carrol described your penis as "really small"?"

"*choke* Fifth"

"That bad, huh?"

"Fifth"

"Kinda dovetails with the way Stormy Daniels described it, huh?"

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Donald Trump faces new lawsuit from E. Jean Carroll, who's already suing him for defamation

KEVIN MCCOY | USA TODAY
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NEW YORK - Former President Donald Trump faces an unwelcome Thanksgiving Day entrée - a new lawsuit accusing him of battery in the alleged assault of E. Jean Carroll, former magazine advice columnist.

The latest legal trouble for Trump comes after he recently announced a 2024 White House run and Attorney General Merrick Garland tapped a new special counsel to handle investigations involving him.

Carroll, who's already suing Trump for defamation over his denials and comments about her following the assault allegations, will file the new battery lawsuit in Manhattan federal court on Thanksgiving Day, according to a court filing last week.

That's when New York state's recently approved Adult Survivors Act opens a one-year window for survivors of sexual assault that occurred when they were past age 18 to sue alleged abusers no matter when an assault may have occurred.

Until the law's enactment in May, many similar allegations were barred from being pursued in court by laws that set a maximum time period for suing.

Both cases focus on what Carroll alleges in the new lawsuit was playful banter in a New York City luxury department store roughly 27 years ago that "took a dark turn" when Trump suddenly "forced her up against a dressing room wall, pinned her in place with his shoulder, and raped her."



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https://twitter.com/ericareport/status/ ... 9102577667
Erica Marsh @ericareport wrote: BREAKING: Donald Trump REFUSES to give his DNA to clear himself of a rape accusation against E. Jean Carroll.
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As one of the replies to the tweet suggested, get a DNA sample from Mary Trump. That won't prove that the semen was from Donald, but it will show if that is a possibility.
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Does that imply that plaintiff has a rapekit evidence to back up the accusation? Or is it a Clinton-style redo all over?
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Since this is civil, does this refusal allow negative inferences to be drawn?
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