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Dave from down under wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:55 pm They are sitting on a bund of rubble - they don't appear to be welded together...

undermine them and/or tow them - to topple them - per the earlier photo..

If they aren't full of rocks - then use a cutter to make a way in and out the other side..

A wall is only effective if you have a large enough, motivated enough covering force - else it is just an inconvenience.

Hand held brazing MAPP torch from Home Depot, $75, cut your own door. Climbing is for pikers.

Somewhere in the bronze age someone invented a catapult. Walls have been obsolete since.
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Those containers would get pretty hot when its 100 degrees outside.

Gloves?

We don need no steengkin gloves.
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isn’t there a shipping container shortage?
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Phoenix520 wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:14 pm How nice of Az to provide migrant housing.
though they could have provided refrigerated units ;) :twisted:
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Gregg wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:43 am Somewhere in the bronze age someone invented a catapult. Walls have been obsolete since.
They could just take four of the containers and a boom lift and they'd be all set.


Okay, maybe that won't work so good. Too, also, if you already pulled out 4 containers to make it, you really don't need a catapult anymore. Also, you could probably use the boom lift to go over the wall anyway, unless it was on an uneven surface and fell over, tossing you in the wrong direction.

Pro tip: When test launching a water balloon from a trebuchet that you just lashed together if the water balloon should end up being a pop fly, don't try to catch it.
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Here's a news clip on the "wall." AZ Governor Doug Ducey issued an Executive Order to build this at a cost of $6M, on federal land, without getting federal permission or even notifying the feds. FWIW. :shrug:
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On federal land? I guess the BLM will not mind the extra revenue from the scrap metal sale :twisted:
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I was curious as to how much this Vanity project cost.

https://costaide.com/shipping-container-cost/
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Shipping containers are most often procured online. However, there are contractors that you can visit in the port area if you want to see what you are actually purchasing.
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Shipping containers that are ordered overseas will have a shipment cost of approximately $2,000 to $3,000. However, shipments coming from Asia might set you back around $7,000. This already includes various documentation, such as US Customs Clearance, Document Delivery, Export Clearance, and other local charges.
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Gregg wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:43 am Somewhere in the bronze age someone invented a catapult. Walls have been obsolete since.
Not quite. Walls as a defense lasted until the Middle Ages. It was actually the invention of the Cannon that did them in. Stone shatters when hit by a Metal ball. If you catapult a rock against a wall it will generally bounce or shatter itself, particularly when the target wall is reinforced internally.

Of course that applies to circular walls that are a self reinforcing structure. Catas and Trebuchets would be a lot more effective against a straight wall that would not have that self reinforcing factor involved, so the invention of the Catapult did end those kind of defensive walls.
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We're a different breed.
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Suranis wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:32 pm
Gregg wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:43 am Somewhere in the bronze age someone invented a catapult. Walls have been obsolete since.
Not quite. Walls as a defense lasted until the Middle Ages. It was actually the invention of the Cannon that did them in. Stone shatters when hit by a Metal ball. If you catapult a rock against a wall it will generally bounce or shatter itself, particularly when the target wall is reinforced internally.

Of course that applies to circular walls that are a self reinforcing structure. Catas and Trebuchets would be a lot more effective against a straight wall that would not have that self reinforcing factor involved, so the invention of the Catapult did end those kind of defensive walls.
Good point. The most important thing about leveling castle walls is the ability to get repeatable placement of a projectile, whether it comes from a catapult or a cannon. Certainly, the muzzle velocity of a cannonball, much higher than the velocity of a catapult projectile, is important. But if you had the ability to lob multiple projectiles into a fairly constrained area with a catapult, you could eventually take out a weak point in a castle wall, typically an entry gate or, as you note, a section of straight wall.

As I recall, trebuchets were a significant improvement over most other forms of catapult for repeatable fire. Catapults were often used more as a terror weapon, lobbing diseased (i.e., bubonic plague) riddled corpses into the castle keep, or lobbing flaming rags to light the wood floors of the upper levels or the thatched roof of buildings within the castle keep on fire.

Interestingly, when castles were made obsolete by weapons that pierced the walls, that created the need to build large countries where in the past you could get by with endlessly feuding nobles who all happened to speak the same language. You needed to fight on open ground and the winning factors were mobility and the size of the army you could raise. The bigger the territory, the safer you were.
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:mad: Of all the people to associate your campaign with...
Kathy Hoffman @kathyhoffman_az wrote: It is disqualifying for @electtomhorne to have a pedophile working on his campaign for state superintendent.
And all Arizonans should be concerned that Tom Horne—known for giving jobs to unqualified friends — keeps Mr. Stringer in his inner circle.
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Tribe says Arizona built shipping container border wall against its wishes

The Cocopah Indian Tribe said Friday that the state of Arizona acted against its wishes by stacking shipping containers on its land to prevent illegal border crossings.

The tribe determined that the state put 42 double-stacked containers on its land near Yuma, said Michael Fila from its office of emergency management.

The tribe wrote state officials Tuesday to inform them of their findings and concerns. Fila said the containers block half of a two-lane road, closing a "vital evacuation route."

The containers pose other safety concerns, including if the containers fall, Fila wrote. Two containers toppled during construction last month for reasons that are unclear.

"The integrity of the road itself has subsequently been damaged by the heavy machinery that was used in placing the shipping containers" and created the danger for first responders to get stuck, Fila said in an email shared with The Associated Press.

The tribe told state officials at a meeting Aug. 17 that it didn’t want the barriers and is waiting on a response to its findings, said Jonathan Athens, a Cocopah spokesman.

"We had made it clear before that we did not want the containers on our land," he said.
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Aside from the ludicrousness of shipping containers as a border barrier, we continue to find ways to harm indigenous peoples, don't we?
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SEVEN Federal Appellate courts, including the 9th that covers AZ, have held that laws such as this are unconstitutional. Not the AZ lawmakers care.
Arizona AG won't defend law making it harder to film police. That should tell you something
Opinion: Attorney General Mark Brnovich is taking a pass on going to court to explain why Gov. Doug Ducey and the Republican-run Legislature are within their rights to chip away at our rights.

When it comes to taking away our rights, the Arizona Legislature has, once again, outdone itself.

This time, by passing a law so blatantly unconstitutional that not even the state’s attorney general will defend it.

Attorney General Mark Brnovich, it seems, has no interest in defending a state law that would make it more difficult for bystanders to record police activity.

Put another way, he’s taking a pass on going to court to explain why Gov. Doug Ducey and the Republican-run Legislature are within their rights to whittle away our rights.

Courts have recognized the right to record police
The new law, scheduled to take effect on Sept. 24, would make it a crime, under most circumstances, to video police action at close range. The Arizona Republic, along with other media organizations and the ACLU, have sued the state, hoping to prevent the law from taking effect.
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For Stephen Richer fans (of which I am one,) he was selected 2022 Public Lawyer of the Year. :clap:
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Hooooooooooorrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!
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raison de arizona wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:16 pm SEVEN Federal Appellate courts, including the 9th that covers AZ, have held that laws such as this are unconstitutional. Not the AZ lawmakers care.
Arizona AG won't defend law making it harder to film police. That should tell you something
Opinion: Attorney General Mark Brnovich is taking a pass on going to court to explain why Gov. Doug Ducey and the Republican-run Legislature are within their rights to chip away at our rights.

When it comes to taking away our rights, the Arizona Legislature has, once again, outdone itself.

This time, by passing a law so blatantly unconstitutional that not even the state’s attorney general will defend it.

Attorney General Mark Brnovich, it seems, has no interest in defending a state law that would make it more difficult for bystanders to record police activity.

Put another way, he’s taking a pass on going to court to explain why Gov. Doug Ducey and the Republican-run Legislature are within their rights to whittle away our rights.

Courts have recognized the right to record police
The new law, scheduled to take effect on Sept. 24, would make it a crime, under most circumstances, to video police action at close range. The Arizona Republic, along with other media organizations and the ACLU, have sued the state, hoping to prevent the law from taking effect.
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion ... 003941001/
Not surprisingly...
Andrew Oxford @andrewboxford wrote: A federal judge has granted an injunction blocking enforcement of HB 2319, a new Arizona law restricting filming of the police

This follows a lawsuit by news organizations & the ACLU arguing the law violates 1st Amendment

Read it (via @RECAPtheLaw)

Judge John Tuchi is providing 7 days for anyone who wants to defend the law to intervene in the case

That's after the AG and the Maricopa County attorney declined to defend the law in court

More on that from @azcapmedia
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Well, not the worst economy, but the worst inflation. But yeah GOP leadership, what gives? Why come we are worse than the others?
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Now that Brnovich is not going to the US Senate, he is looking for something to do. Trying out governor for the day.
Mark Brnovich @GeneralBrnovich wrote: As acting governor should I…

a. Declare today Grateful Dead Day
b. Require the gubernatorial candidates to debate
c. Auction off the state plane for charity
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raison de arizona wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:13 pm :snippity:
Mark Brnovich @GeneralBrnovich wrote: As acting governor should I…

a. Declare today Grateful Dead Day
b. Require the gubernatorial candidates to debate
c. Auction off the state plane for charity
d. Lobotomize yourself...with a butter knife....
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raison de arizona wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:13 pm Now that Brnovich is not going to the US Senate, he is looking for something to do. Trying out governor for the day.
Mark Brnovich @GeneralBrnovich wrote: As acting governor should I…

a. Declare today Grateful Dead Day
b. Require the gubernatorial candidates to debate
c. Auction off the state plane for charity
All of the above, but with nunchucks.
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Just kind of interesting, insight on instructions for a local Republican precinct committee.
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Sounds like y'all are phucked to me. :whistle:
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