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Let’s all quote Rick Wilson together.

“Everything trump touches dies.”

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:01 pm Let’s all quote Rick Wilson together.

“Everything trump touches dies.”

I wonder why Chap 11 - which is usually what corporations use. Maybe he doesn't own anything "personally"? Personal "reorganization" bankruptcy is Chap 13 and chap 7 liquidates everything for persons and businesses.

Where are the "whistleblowers" from the IRS saying Rudy's getting special treatment on his taxes?

MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:28 pm
Giuliani owes almost $1 Million in taxes to New York and the U.S.

So...Roger Stone owes a million dollars and just gets to make an agreement to pay it.

Rudy Giuliani owes a million dollars and presumably just gets to make an agreement to pay it.

Hunter Biden owed a million dollars, realized it, refiled and paid, along with penalties and fees before the IRS even identified that he had owed it. And then, after everything is already paid back, facing prison time for felony charges related to owing taxes in the past but already paid back.

Sounds fair.

Dr. Caligari wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:45 pm

Kendra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:21 pm I think the legal eagles on the teevee have been saying this won't absolve him of the recent judgment.

For the time being, a Chapter 11 filing prevents any creditors from taking any collection activity.
Eventually, the bankruptcy court will collect all of Rudy's assets and distribute them pro rata to all the creditors.

At some point in the case, the libel plaintiffs can seek an order that their claim is non-dischargeable, and they most likely will win that motion because the jury found that the injury was willful and malicious. But this will probably do them little good, because (1) all assets Rudy now has will be divided among all of the existing creditors, and (2) even though the libel judgment will remain, Rudy is not likely to earn much once he's out of bankruptcy.

The above is very over-simplified but, I believe, basically correct. (I used to be a lawyer, but was never a bankruptcy specialist.)

How does Judge Howell's order affect this? Or does it?

Rolodex wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:10 pm I wonder why Chap 11 - which is usually what corporations use. Maybe he doesn't own anything "personally"? Personal "reorganization" bankruptcy is Chap 13 and chap 7 liquidates everything for persons and businesses.

Where are the "whistleblowers" from the IRS saying Rudy's getting special treatment on his taxes?

As I understand it -- IANAL, but Daddy was a CPA so I always find these things interesting enough to read up on -- Chapter 11 is far more complex and expensive to manage, so MOSTLY businesses do it, but individuals can. But I'm also under the impression that the court has to have some general sense that the filer is capable of continuing to maintain a solvent business and continue operating while the proceedings are apace. They have to file a plan and show that income is enough to stay operating. I don't know how R.G. can do that here, myself. So in theory, I should think, the Judge could be able to say "No, you're done. Refile under another Chapter or give up." Is this the case, attorneys in the house?

Right Dr. Caligari on the Chapter 7 vs. Chapter 11. Chapter 7 is also used often for consumer debt and Roodles has business obligations. By the way Dr. C, have been meaning to mention... I've always had a vague recollection about your name, but finally sat down and watched the The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari movie (actually both -- the original 1920 silent film, and a fairly recent remake). Amazing story and performances. I learn so much at Fogbow.

And true RV! Why aren't MAGAs screaming about the double standard between Roodles' and Roger's tax agreements and Hunter's charges? They should be demanding equal treatment for Hunter.

Roodles is still doing his nightly YouTube show (with a pathetically low number of viewers, it's almost as bad as Mike Lindell's ratings). But hey, what bankruptcy? Let's talk about COLORADO! There are like 3-4 people with him, including Ted Goodman, and they often cheer and applaud like there's a big audience... sounds more like a few drunks at the end of a bar.

America's Mayor Live (E304): The Colorado Supreme Court's Decision Poses a Real Threat to Democracy





Much more interesting than Roodles:

Remastered 1920 (beautiful restoration):







2005 version (shot in black and white): https://tubitv.com/movies/654497/the-ca ... oogle-feed

RVInit wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:23 pm

MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:28 pm
Giuliani owes almost $1 Million in taxes to New York and the U.S.

So...Roger Stone owes a million dollars and just gets to make an agreement to pay it.

Rudy Giuliani owes a million dollars and presumably just gets to make an agreement to pay it.

Hunter Biden owed a million dollars, realized it, refiled and paid, along with penalties and fees before the IRS even identified that he had owed it. And then, after everything is already paid back, facing prison time for felony charges related to owing taxes in the past but already paid back.

Sounds fair.

Speaking of ghouli and Hunter, it appears that the latter showed up on the former's list of creditors:

https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuliani- ... 0documents.

President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was listed among the many individuals and companies Rudy Giuliani owes money to after filing for bankruptcy, according to court documents.

Wouldn't Hunter be more of a potential than actual debtor since the lawsuit hasn't yet come to a verdict, if it's the same one I'm thinking it is?

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:45 pm Wouldn't Hunter be more of a potential than actual debtor since the lawsuit hasn't yet come to a verdict, if it's the same one I'm thinking it is?

That's the way I see it. Now, I am not a bankruptcy attorney, but in my limited experience as a credit manager and customers filing bankruptcy, so will list potential debts to try to wipe them away. I seem to recall at least one mentioned a potential bond claim = if the bond company paid out they couldn't go after them. Or something similar, been a while.

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:45 pm Wouldn't Hunter be more of a potential than actual debtor creditor since the lawsuit hasn't yet come to a verdict, if it's the same one I'm thinking it is?

I looked at Giuliani's bankruptcy form (MN provided the link several posts upthread). 10 of Giuliani's creditors he tags as "lawsuit" and marks them as "contingent", "unliquidated" and "disputed". Hunter Biden is one of those, as are Dominion and Smartmatic, with the amounts as "unknown".

I wonder if Giuliani has yet worked out that hitching his wagon to the Trump train has resulted in a long ride to Miseryville. If he had simply entered a genteel retirement he could have had a very comfortable life, smooching around, playing a little golf or whatever amusement he prefers, giving tedious lectures here and there to colleges, clubs, rallies and so on, always embellishing the story of how he singlehandedly saved New York, what a guy!

Of course those to the left would still have despised him, but there would be no desire to chase him down if he was just picking the pockets of wealthy right wingers and not screaming to the general public. He would be yesterday's man.

But Giuliani chose the Trump train and ignored two key lessons: that everything Trump touches turns to shit, and that if you're in a mess, Trump won't help, and is likely to make your predicament worse while labeling you a "loser".

Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:05 pm

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:45 pm Wouldn't Hunter be more of a potential than actual debtor creditor since the lawsuit hasn't yet come to a verdict, if it's the same one I'm thinking it is?

I looked at Giuliani's bankruptcy form (MN provided the link several posts upthread). 10 of Giuliani's creditors he tags as "lawsuit" and marks them as "contingent", "unliquidated" and "disputed". Hunter Biden is one of those, as are Dominion and Smartmatic, with the amounts as "unknown".

Right, which is where I was kinda going with this and why Newsweek's journalism would be specious at best to say Rudy owes Hunter money, if they actually said something to that effect.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/tr ... e8ea&ei=31

Donald Trump ally Rudy Giuliani, the man often referred to as “America’s Mayor,” is in jeopardy of losing his honorary knighthood due to escalating legal issues.

What Happened: Giuliani received the honorary title of “Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire” from Queen Elizabeth II in recognition of his leadership during the 9/11 attacks. Nonetheless, recent legal troubles, which include a $148 million defamation verdict and a possible criminal indictment, risk him being stripped of this honor, Business Insider reported on Sunday.

The British government has the authority to form a Forfeiture Committee to examine the removal of knighthoods. The proposal for withdrawal would be forwarded to U.K. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and then to King Charles III for a decision. Should Giuliani lose his knighthood, he would join the infamous ranks of former Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe and Italian fascist leader Benito Mussolini.

Giuliani won’t rule out violence over 14th amendment cases.

Kendra wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:34 am

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The British government has the authority to form a Forfeiture Committee to examine the removal of knighthoods. The proposal for withdrawal would be forwarded to U.K. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak […]

But why would a right-wing UK government bother? I doubt if many people inside or outside the UK know of Giuliani's honorary knighthood and those few are unlikely to raise a fuss about that meaningless ornament – it doesn't even entitle him to call himself Sir Rudi.

No, it will be ignored, Giuliani is nobody in Europe.

https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuliani- ... cy-1856941

Rudy Giuliani, former New York City mayor and ex-President Donald Trump's former lawyer, asked people on social media on Monday to pay for a monthly subscription to his podcast.

Giuliani filed for bankruptcy on December 21, just days after a jury ordered him to pay $148 million for defaming two former Georgia election workers.

Giuliani, who heads the Common Sense podcast and its affiliated America's Mayor livestream, kicked off the new year on X, formerly Twitter, on Monday by asking people to subscribe to America's Mayor Confidential for $10 a month.

Well, I guess I won’t be listening to that any longer. IIRC most of it has to do with foreign policy, so I ignored it anyway.

Welcome to Capitalism Darwin style Guili.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 4ce7&ei=18

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said he regrets not taking a city pension now that he's facing a $148m civil court payout for defaming a pair of Georgia election workers.

The former mayor has since filed for bankruptcy, according to the New York Post.

Empire Centre for Public Policy, a taxpayer watchdog group in New York, found no evidence of Mr Giuliani ever filing to receive a pension.

Had he applied, he would have been eligible for approximately $26,000 per year once he turned 62.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 08de2&ei=8

The Georgia judge overseeing former President Donald Trump’s election racketeering case on Friday issued a “scathing rebuke” of co-defendant Rudy Giuliani’s attorneys, according to experts and court records.

Judge Scott McAfee denied Giuliani’s motion for an extension on the Jan. 8 deadline to file pre-trial motions in the Fulton County case, records show.

Giuliani’s lawyers' argument that he hadn’t been able to review “voluminous” discovery materials — or the proposed evidence to be presented at trial — wasn’t good enough, McAfee wrote.

“Defendant does not articulate exactly what discovery must still be reviewed, or why the review has not been completed in the approximately four months that have passed since arraignment,” McAfee writes.
One possible distraction may have been the $148 million defamation lawsuit Giuliani faced from two Georgia poll workers in Washington D.C. and his subsequent declaration of bankruptcy.

Geez, McAfee has been an easy-going, diligent judge. Roodles can't get along with anybody. If he's confused, Orly Taitz could explain when DENINED means

McAfee also issued a fact-check.

“While Defendant claims to have filed ‘many’ motions concerning discovery, none appear on the docket,” McAfee added. “The motion is DENIED.”

Feck sake Judge, they were filed in the letterbox of Judge's Pizzaria down the street. Its not Rudey's fault if you cant pick up your mail.

Straight outta Four Seasons Landscaping and Law School...

Ron Filipkowski @RonFilipkowski wrote: Rudy’s lawyer was KICKING ASS in court today. This guy is !

Don't plant stuff in the DAs headss in fifty separate states, please ...

Giuliani, just making shit up! Still! He learned nothing.

Ron Filipkowski @RonFilipkowski wrote: Rudy says it was unfair that Judge Engoron wouldn’t let Trump say whatever he wanted in court yesterday, and attacks the judge’s clerk: “When did you ever see a judge’s law clerk sitting on his lap?” (She did not, but Rudy is on tape sexually harassing his assistant)