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State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:16 pm
by Dave from down under
And the case will be being tried during….

“ In 2023, Fraud Awareness week will be held from November 12-18.“

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:01 pm
by Flatpoint High
Courtroom artist's rendering possibly the best of them all
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State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:07 pm
by June bug
Of course IANAL, but I'm afraid the defense tactic of pissing off the judge in the hope of intemperate behavior on his part may be working. What's the likelihood of their getting the mistrial they're looking for?

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:16 pm
by Maybenaut
June bug wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:07 pm Of course IANAL, but I'm afraid the defense tactic of pissing off the judge in the hope of intemperate behavior on his part may be working. What's the likelihood of their getting the mistrial they're looking for?
Zero. The person to decide is Engoron, and it’s his communications with his clerk that is at issue. Unless the issue is prosecutorial or juror misconduct, you only ever win a mistrial motion on appeal.

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:19 pm
by raison de arizona
"I'm too much of an asshole to get a fair trial!" -tfg

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:36 pm
by raison de arizona
https://twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/stat ... 59377?s=20
NY AG James @NewYorkStateAG wrote: Don’t tell, I can see it from my office window. 🤫
Hugo Lowell @hugolowell wrote: Trump snipes at NYAG James: “She doesn’t know what a 40 Wall Street is”

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:39 pm
by neonzx
Flatpoint High wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:01 pm Courtroom artist's rendering possibly the best of them all
F-RsBgGWUAAicrj.jpeg
Not a sketch from today. He tried the blue tie thing again vs the normal red... poor little me. But same batshit crazy. :violin:

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:43 pm
by raison de arizona
https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/sta ... 38516?s=20
Joyce Alene @JoyceWhiteVance wrote: Not only is this an astonishing admission, it will damage efforts to argue on appeal that the judge was wrong to grant judgement ahead of trial on the fraud claims. That is pretty much Trump's last gasp at saving his NY business.
Andrew Weissmann (weissmann11 on Threads)🌻 @AWeissmann_ wrote: BREAKING: AG GETS TRUMP TO AGREE THAT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND TRUMP'S PERSONAL GUARANTY WERE TO INDUCE BANKS TO LEND MONEY. KEY FACT FOR THIS FRAUD CASE.

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:45 pm
by raison de arizona
The Recount @therecount wrote: “[NY AG Letitia James] said this morning that the numbers don’t lie and they won’t lie in this case. Well, Ms. James, I have a message for you: The numbers didn’t lie when you ran for governor, and that's why you dropped out.”

— Donald Trump’s lawyer Alina Habba
Moar Habba:
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State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:17 pm
by Resume18
Whiney Habbit wrote:I was told to sit down today. I was yelled at. And I’ve had a judge who was unhinged slamming a table. Let me be very clear, I don’t tolerate that in my life. I’m not going to tolerate it here. And you know what? You shouldn’t either.
Oh shut up.

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:24 pm
by Tiredretiredlawyer
Hmmm. Back when I practiced trial law, you didn’t hold news conferences when a judge raised his/her voice. If the judge violated a Code of Judicial Conduct you filed a complaint.

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:29 pm
by much ado
The NYT summary.

Gift link: Trump Assails Judge and Concedes a Role in Valuing His Empire’s Property
He was belligerent and brash, unrepentant and verbose — regardless of the courtroom setting, he was the quintessential Donald J. Trump.

Within minutes of Mr. Trump’s taking the witness stand on Monday, his civil fraud trial in Manhattan devolved into a chaotic spectacle before a packed house. The former president lashed out at his accusers and denied their claims, even while conceding involvement in some of the conduct at the case’s heart.

Ranting and rambling as the courtroom pulsed with tension, Mr. Trump attacked New York’s attorney general, Letitia James, as a “political hack.” He derided the proceeding as “a very unfair trial.” And he scolded the judge overseeing the case, Arthur F. Engoron, for having decided before the trial that he had committed fraud.

“He called me a fraud, and he doesn’t know anything about me!” Mr. Trump exclaimed from the stand, pointing at the judge, who flashed a grin.

[There's much more.]

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:20 pm
by RTH10260
raison de arizona wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:45 pm https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1 ... 68359?s=20
The Recount @therecount wrote: “[NY AG Letitia James] said this morning that the numbers don’t lie and they won’t lie in this case. Well, Ms. James, I have a message for you: The numbers didn’t lie when you ran for governor, and that's why you dropped out.”

— Donald Trump’s lawyer Alina Habba
:snippity:
Hmmm :think: How near is this to a violation of the gag order of not attacking members of the opposite party ?

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:24 pm
by Frater I*I
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:24 pm Hmmm. Back when I practiced trial law, you didn’t hold news conferences when a judge raised his/her voice. If the judge violated a Code of Judicial Conduct you filed a complaint.
But you practiced law on Earth 1, while Zee Orange Furher's lawyers practice law on Earth 2 [along with Anthony Williams]...


And I'd bet my bottom dollar that watching you at trial must have been a show :biggrin:

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:26 pm
by RTH10260
raison de arizona wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:43 pm https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/sta ... 38516?s=20
Joyce Alene @JoyceWhiteVance wrote: Not only is this an astonishing admission, it will damage efforts to argue on appeal that the judge was wrong to grant judgement ahead of trial on the fraud claims. That is pretty much Trump's last gasp at saving his NY business.
Andrew Weissmann (weissmann11 on Threads)🌻 @AWeissmann_ wrote: BREAKING: AG GETS TRUMP TO AGREE THAT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND TRUMP'S PERSONAL GUARANTY WERE TO INDUCE BANKS TO LEND MONEY. KEY FACT FOR THIS FRAUD CASE.
I wonder if candidate T will have real reason to claim he cannot show his tax returns :think:

Cause the IRS will be auditing him on the basis of these tampered numbers?

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:32 pm
by Kriselda Gray
neonzx wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:39 pm
Flatpoint High wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:01 pm Courtroom artist's rendering possibly the best of them all
F-RsBgGWUAAicrj.jpeg
Not a sketch from today. He tried the blue tie thing again vs the normal red... poor little me. But same batshit crazy. :violin:
It looks more like it's portraying him on a witness stand than at a table or something, so I'd say it probably IS representing today, but the artist fudged the tie color because he's so heavily associated with red ties. He obviously took some liberties with the portrayal as that's not how trump has literally looked at any point in the trial.

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:35 pm
by Kriselda Gray
raison de arizona wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:45 pm
The Recount @therecount wrote: “[NY AG Letitia James] said this morning that the numbers don’t lie and they won’t lie in this case. Well, Ms. James, I have a message for you: The numbers didn’t lie when you ran for governor, and that's why you dropped out.”

— Donald Trump’s lawyer Alina Habba
She's such a professional.

Professional what, I'm not sure, but...

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:42 pm
by raison de arizona
You ran for governor and didn’t win! Nanny nanny boo boo!

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:47 pm
by W. Kevin Vicklund
Alina is auditioning for Mean Girls 2

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:08 pm
by Frater I*I
W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:47 pm Alina is auditioning for Mean Girls 2
Worse yet, Attorney General for the United States...

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:08 pm
by Slim Cognito
WTH does that have to do with anything? what are they going to do next, draw mustaches on her photographs with a sharpie?

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:10 pm
by Frater I*I
Slim Cognito wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:08 pm WTH does that have to do with anything? what are they going to do next, draw mustaches on her photographs with a sharpie?
To the dumbass supporters of their kind that's a cardinal offence....

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:27 am
by Mr brolin
Alina is aware that the only reason she is Trumps lawyer is because she is a gropeable substitute for Ivanka...?

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State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:33 am
by Ben-Prime
W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:47 pm Alina is auditioning for Mean Girls 2
On Wednesdays we wear prison stripes.

State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:55 am
by bill_g
Was he really that animated on the stand?