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Steve Vladeck
@steve_vladeck
The Supreme Court really has two options in the Trump immunity case:
It can deny Trump’s forthcoming stay request, and clear the way for the prosecution to proceed quickly; or it can grant the stay—and expedite its review of the merits of today’s ruling, with a decision by June.
Either way, I expect the Court to rule on the stay application either late next week or early the week of February 19. So we should know a *lot* more about the timing of the next steps sometime in the next two weeks.
Me too. The entire argument is asinine. Of coure the former President doesn't get immunity from laws for life. That's not a thing. The fact that it is taking this long to just establish that is frustrating. But I suppose that is how the system works.
Neal Katyal @neal_katyal wrote: I do not think the Supreme Court will hear Trump’s appeal. Of course, anything can happen and it takes 4 of the 9 Justices to vote to hear a case. But Trump’s argument is so weak and the Court of Appeals decision so thorough and well done, I can see SCOTUS voting not to hear it.Neal Katyal @neal_katyal wrote: This is the opinion the country was waiting for. Straight loss for Trump. “Former President Trump’s alleged efforts to remain in power despite losing the 2020 election were, if proven, an unprecedented assault on the structure of our government. “
Not really, and also not really necessary.
HO HO HO! Longtime members may recall that name: Williams used to teach at Catholic University (it appears he doesn't anymore), and went Cruz birther in 2016; he even ran a sham campaign just to create standing. I recall he and Apuzzo (RIP) played footsies for a bit.D.C. Cir. wrote:Victor Williams, pro se, was on the brief for amicus curiae Law Professor Victor Williams in support of appellant.
Benny Johnson @bennyjohnson 17h
BREAKING: Court rules Trump does not have immunity in election case.
Will Barack Obama be criminally charged for ordering the drone strike that killed 16 year old American citizen Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki?
Luke Johnson@Orly_licious
No. President Obama was acting as president. Donald Trump was acting on behalf of his campaign. Why mislead people when you haven't read the ruling? Ruling here: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 3677.0.pdf
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024 ... eme-court/Trump Campaign Vows to Appeal Immunity Ruling to Supreme Court
A liberal federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that former President Donald Trump does not have immunity from being prosecuted for alleged crimes committed while in office.
In response, the Trump campaign vowed to appeal the decision to the Supreme Court and said the current prosecution, led by Special Counsel Jack Smith, “threatens the bedrock of our Republic.”
“If immunity is not granted to a President, every future President who leaves office will be immediately indicted by the opposing party. Without complete immunity, a President of the United States would not be able to properly function!” said Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung.
“Deranged Jack Smith’s prosecution of President Trump for his Presidential, official acts is unconstitutional under the doctrine of Presidential Immunity and the Separation of Powers,” he continued.
“Prosecuting a President for official acts violates the Constitution and threatens the bedrock of our Republic. President Trump respectfully disagrees with the DC Circuit’s decision and will appeal it in order to safeguard the Presidency and the Constitution,” Cheung concluded.
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Cobb, the veteran defense attorney and former federal prosecutor who once worked for Trump, theorized to TPM that the inclusion of election conspiracy theories is likely an effort directed by the former president to “relitigate that and complicate the criminal case.” Cobb predicted that strategy would be an utter failure since it is “irrelevant” to the question of whether Trump tried to obstruct an official proceeding.
“As a criminal defendant, you’re basically allowed to say it was an alien abduction,” Cobb said.
While Trump and his attorneys might be able to bring up election conspiracy theories in pre-trial hearings, Cobb predicted the judge would not allow them to take these issues to trial.
“You can get away with a lot argumentatively pretrial, but that’s why this would be a pretrial exercise. … He needs to get through her to be able to raise this at trial,” Cobb said, referencing U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, “and he won’t be able to do that.”
Though Cobb does not expect “The Nucleus File” will make it further into Trump’s case, its inclusion in the filings so far does seem to shed light on the figures surrounding the president. On both his campaign and in his defense Trump has found people who are willing to indulge in the 2020 election fantasies promoted by the former president.
For his part, Cobb said he would refuse to file this type of information for a client and would “withdraw” if they insisted on it.
“There’s right and wrong, and the importance of ethics, and having a duty of candor with the court,” Cobb said, adding, “You don’t perpetrate a fraud upon the court and you try to stop shy of letting your client do it. So this is the kind of thing I would just say no to.”
Trump’s current legal and political operations clearly have no such qualms.
They seem to have a problem with figuring out who does what. OTOH the campaign is paying the legal fees, so I guess they feel like they have a say.
IIRC the party line is along the lines of... tfg was performing his presidential duties in investigating that blatant fraud in the 2020 election, therefore it is an official act.Rolodex wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:14 pmThey seem to have a problem with figuring out who does what. OTOH the campaign is paying the legal fees, so I guess they feel like they have a say.
But this is the crux of the issue: Trump doesn't have immunity because he was acting as a candidate/campaigner, not a president. They see no clear distinctions about any of this; it's just...Trump.
Link to the petition - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... court-stayDonald Trump has officially filed a petition for writ of certiorari with the United States Supreme Court arguing that the Supreme Court should decide the issue of whether Trump is immune from criminal prosecution in Special Counsel Jack Smith's January 6-related prosecution filed in Washington, D.C. This petition follows the D.C. Circuit ruling denying Trump's motion to dismiss based on the immunity argument. If you recall, the D.C. Circuit ruling was unanimous, with a Republican-appointed judge siding with the two Democrat appointees in rejecting Trump's argument. The opinion required Trump to appeal the decision to the United States Supreme Court by today.
It really irks me that even an organization like Meidas Touch Network does not know that the proper phrasing is "DemocratIC appointees". Of course the author is only 24 years old and probably doesn't know any better.MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:48 pm Donald Trump Files Petition For Writ Of Certiorari Seeking Stay Of D.C. Circuit Immunity Opinion
Link to the petition - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... court-stayDonald Trump has officially filed a petition for writ of certiorari with the United States Supreme Court arguing that the Supreme Court should decide the issue of whether Trump is immune from criminal prosecution in Special Counsel Jack Smith's January 6-related prosecution filed in Washington, D.C. This petition follows the D.C. Circuit ruling denying Trump's motion to dismiss based on the immunity argument. If you recall, the D.C. Circuit ruling was unanimous, with a Republican-appointed judge siding with the two Democrat appointees in rejecting Trump's argument. The opinion required Trump to appeal the decision to the United States Supreme Court by today.
I agree, but I also wish that was the worst thing to be lamenting about Meidas Touch.Reality Check wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:18 pm It really irks me that even an organization like Meidas Touch Network does not know that the proper phrasing is "DemocratIC appointees". Of course the author is only 24 years old and probably doesn't know any better.![]()
True, I don't remember the last time I watched one of their videos without skipping through most of it. They seem to be 3 or 4 times as long as they need to be.raison de arizona wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:24 pm![]()
I agree, but I also wish that was the worst thing to be lamenting about Meidas Touch.![]()
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