Gun Control

[Gregg]

No manual safety. It has 2 internal safetys like almost all Glocks have.

So i went and found the manual to try to understand exactly what this means. So it sounds like it has mechanisms that prevent it from accidentally discharging from being dropped or such, but the trigger is always live so as long as there is a bullet in the chamber interacting with the trigger will fire it. While such mechanisms are I guess technically 'safety' mechanisms, when I hear 'safety' on a firearm, I picture the switch that prevents touching the trigger from firing.

Which is what I pictured in that comment, the idea of firearms without a safety switch being sold strike me as recklessly dangerous.

And yet we have pizza boxes that say "Open box before eating pizza"

I think we're focusing on the wrong things.

[Suranis]

Given the known functionality, what kind of idiot leaves a round chambered.

If you leave a gun unchambered that means you are wasting precious seconds to chamber a round in a home invasion situation where every second counts!!!!11!!!!

When your entire strategy for selling your product is telling people how unsafe they are, UNsafety features are a selling point.

[W. Kevin Vicklund]

Keep in mind, this is the community (NRA and members) that nearly put Smith & Wesson out of business in 2000 for having the audacity to invest in developing smart gun technology.

[neeneko]

Given the known functionality, what kind of idiot leaves a round chambered.

The kind who is dumb and scared enough to think a manual safety will cost them precious milliseconds when the great brown horde breaks into their home?

[Kendra]

Maybe a bit OT, but I can't think where else to post this.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wave-of-gu ... ts-return/

Nearly two dozen people have been charged with illegally carrying guns on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., so far this year, including four in the past month, according to a CBS News review of court records and U.S. Capitol Police reports. There have been nearly as many gun arrests by Capitol Police just over midway through 2023 as there were in all of 2022, and the pace has been picking up since the Capitol Complex reopened to tourist visits at the beginning of the year.

The arrests primarily include cases of people who claim they mistakenly or unknowingly had guns in their bags as they reached Capitol checkpoints, despite the District of Columbia's strict laws requiring firearms licenses and prohibiting open carrying of guns.

The CBS News review found the people arrested include an Iowa man who was accused of carrying a gun in a bag attached to the baby stroller. A police affidavit said the gun was loaded with four rounds of ammunition. The gun was spotted at a security checkpoint to the Hart U.S. Senate Building, as the man and his family tried to enter on May 12.

On Monday, a 43-year-old Texas man was stopped while carrying a semiautomatic handgun at an entrance to the U.S. Capitol Visitor's Center. A police report said the man told officers he didn't know the gun was in his bag. He'll face a series of charges, including possession of an unregistered firearm, unlawful possession of ammunition and possession of a high-capacity feeding device.

On Wednesday, a Washington, D.C., man pleaded guilty to a criminal charge, weeks after he was stopped with a semiautomatic handgun, loaded with 9-millimeter ammunition, at a checkpoint to the Longworth House Building. The police report said the man, at first, claimed the gun belonged to his wife, before he later told officers he'd purchased the gun "on the street" for $600 to protect his family.

Memories, decades ago when I was doing the restaurant cocktail server gig, I actually had a *gentleman* and his wife at the table and he was more interested in sucking down drink after drink and wouldn't order food. Per WA liquor guidelines at the time, I tried to slow him down and get him to eat, he got indignant and said something to the same effect, "But I'm from Iowa (or whatever the state was).

Edit: For clarity:

@MacFarlaneNews
The dad who allegedly had a gun packed in his baby stroller... was entering the Hart US Senate Building

The gun was loaded. Four rounds

When asked about it... he told police he "is from Iowa"

[Gregg]

Iowa is a hotbed of violent crime, you can't go outside there unarmed or you'll be dead before you can get to the mailbox.

[raison de arizona]

And he still shoots blanks in bed

[RTH10260]

‘Even more insidious than the NRA’: US gun lobby group gains in power
The National Shooting Sports Foundation has been aggressively pushing gun manufacturers’ interests, and is starting to eclipse its bigger rival

Peter Stone in Washington
Tue 1 Aug 2023 11.00 BST

A business trade group representing 10,000 gunmakers, dealers and other firearm firms is emerging as a rising force in the US and starting to eclipse – in some respects – the might of the powerful but scandal-plagued National Rifle Association.

Meet the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the gun industry’s conservative and aggressive lobbying group. Its range of activities is broad but always geared to zealously and single-mindedly preserving and extending the power of the gun industry.

It has been lobbying Congress to pass bills that would block financial institutions from using environmental, social and governance (ESG) criteria in making investment and loan decisions to protect gun companies’ bottom lines.

Meanwhile, gun manufacturers are relying on this same group to mount legal challenges to several state laws that limit the gun industry’s highly prized and unique protection from contentious liability laws enacted by Congress in 2005.

During Donald Trump’s presidency, the NSSF used its lobbying muscle to help prod his administration to move regulation of gun exports from the state department to the commerce department, a shift that seems to have yielded financial dividends for gun exporters due to the department’s pro-business approach.

In the past few years, as the 5-million-member NRA has been battered by financial woes, internal rifts and legal threats from the New York attorney general and private interests, the NSSF has expanded its legal and lobbying spending to fight gun-control efforts nationwide, while boosting gun rights and industry sales.

“The NSSF functions as the gun industry’s voice, with a singular focus on expanding the market for all types of firearms, including assault weapons and short-barreled rifles, and is eclipsing the NRA’s lobbying power on Capitol Hill,” said Kristen Rand, a lawyer with the Violence Policy Center, a gun control advocacy and research group.

The rising clout of the NSSF is underscored in part by the group’s increased spending on lobbying, which has outpaced the NRA’s lobbying spending in recent years. For instance, in 2020 and 2021, the NSSF reported spending $4.6m and $5m respectively on federal lobbying. By contrast, the NRA spent $2.2m and $4.9m.

Further, the NSSF’s legal muscle has expanded in the last year since the NSSF tapped the former solicitor general Paul Clement as an outside lawyer to fight laws in seven states that limit the protections from lawsuits that were granted by Congress.

Clement has also mounted legal challenges for the NSSF against new gun-control measures in New York, New Jersey and other states that have been enacted in the wake of a supreme court decision last year against a New York law limiting concealed-carry permits to those people who can show a “proper purpose” for having such weapons outside their homes.

The NSSF’s board of governors reflects the group’s financial interests and clout: the board includes top executives from major arms companies such as Daniel Defense and Smith & Wesson, which made the AR-15 military-style assault rifles used in the Uvalde and Highland Park mass shootings.

Little wonder the NSSF, founded in 1961 and once best known for hosting an annual and lavish “Shot” (Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade show) in Las Vegas, has become a more active and visible player waging legal and lobbying battles to boost arms company interests, say experts and gun control advocates.

“The NSSF burrows in on every nook and cranny of gun regulation as it works to ensure that the gun industry’s financial interests are consistently and zealously represented – on even the most arcane issues. For NSSF, gun violence prevention legislation is literally bad for business,” said Rand.

The NSSF’s growing influence is reflected in part by the group’s revenues, which soared to over $51m in fiscal year 2022, versus $36m in fiscal year 2016.




still more at https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... foundation

[RTH10260]

Governor suspends right to carry firearms in public in Albuquerque due to gun violence
Gun violence was also declared a public health emergency in New Mexico.

Meredith Deliso
September 9, 2023, 7:34 PM

New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham has temporarily banned the right to carry firearms in public in Albuquerque in response to recent gun violence.

Lujan Grisham issued on Friday a 30-day suspension of open and concealed carry laws in Bernalillo County, where Albuquerque, the state's most populous city, is seated. There are exceptions for law enforcement officers and licensed security guards.

The move comes a day after she declared gun violence a public health emergency in the state.

"[The] time for standard measures has passed," Lujan Grisham said in a statement. "And when New Mexicans are afraid to be in crowds, to take their kids to school, to leave a baseball game -- when their very right to exist is threatened by the prospect of violence at every turn -- something is very wrong."

The Democratic governor cited the recent shooting deaths of three children in her decision to declare gun violence a public health emergency. Most recently, an 11-year-old boy was fatally shot outside a minor league baseball stadium in Albuquerque on Wednesday during a possible road rage incident, police said.



https://abcnews.go.com/US/governor-susp ... -gun/story

[raison de arizona]

[raison de arizona]

The sheriff refuses to enforce the ban.

Governor suspends right to carry firearms in public in Albuquerque due to gun violence
Gun violence was also declared a public health emergency in New Mexico.

Meredith Deliso
September 9, 2023, 7:34 PM

New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham has temporarily banned the right to carry firearms in public in Albuquerque in response to recent gun violence.

Lujan Grisham issued on Friday a 30-day suspension of open and concealed carry laws in Bernalillo County, where Albuquerque, the state's most populous city, is seated. There are exceptions for law enforcement officers and licensed security guards.

The move comes a day after she declared gun violence a public health emergency in the state.

"[The] time for standard measures has passed," Lujan Grisham said in a statement. "And when New Mexicans are afraid to be in crowds, to take their kids to school, to leave a baseball game -- when their very right to exist is threatened by the prospect of violence at every turn -- something is very wrong."

The Democratic governor cited the recent shooting deaths of three children in her decision to declare gun violence a public health emergency. Most recently, an 11-year-old boy was fatally shot outside a minor league baseball stadium in Albuquerque on Wednesday during a possible road rage incident, police said.



https://abcnews.go.com/US/governor-susp ... -gun/story

Bernalillo County Sheriff John Allen says he will *not* enforce Gov. Lujan Grisham’s (D) 30-day ban on carrying guns in public spaces:

“This order will not do anything to curb gun violence other than punish law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self defense.”

[Dave from down under]

Then time to replace the sheriff with a law abiding officer

[raison de arizona]

Then time to replace the sheriff with a law abiding officer

“It’s unconstitutional, so there’s no way we can enforce that order. This ban does nothing to curb gun violence.”

I dunno, I'm not the sheriff of Bernalillo County, but it seems to me that fewer guns ... = ... less gun violence.

But what do I know?

[Dave from down under]

No guns in public places here - but then we have a civil society, sensible gun laws and a police force that obeys the government and the laws.

[Gregg]

Then time to replace the sheriff with a law abiding officer

“It’s unconstitutional, so there’s no way we can enforce that order. This ban does nothing to curb gun violence.”

I dunno, I'm not the sheriff of Bernalillo County, but it seems to me that fewer guns ... = ... less gun violence.

But what do I know?

Someone who needs shot.

Someone call Kyle...

[raison de arizona]

VIDEO THREAD: Gun owners - many visibly armed - rallied in old Town Albuquerque today to openly defy the New Mexico Governor's Executive Order banning the open and concealed carry of firearms there as a one-month "emergency."

Police did not intervene or enforce the order.

[Dave from down under]

Nothing says “law abiding” more than law defying.

[raison de arizona]

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[keith]

No guns in public places here - but then we have a civil society, sensible gun laws and a police force that obeys the government and the laws.

Well, mostly any way.

Remember the Informer 3838 (also known as "Witness F" and "Lawyer X" and "EF") affair?

Informer 3838: The gangland lawyer scandal explained

[Dave from down under]

True..

Hopefully not too many of them and not so many that don’t face their consequences

[pipistrelle]

And the "well-regulated militia" is in play how?

[pipistrelle]

If the Supreme Court can overturn "settled law," why can't they put gun control back on the states similarly? Oh, yeah, and there's the "well-regulated militia" thing.

[RVInit]

Great. The killer escapee in Pennsylvania found a homeowner that apparently kept at least a shotgun and handgun in his garage. He was in the garage when Cavalcante entered the garage, grabbed the man's unsecured shotgun and ran out. So, thanks to another idiot gun owner with unsecure weapons we no longer have a dangerous man running from law enforcement, we have an armed and dangerous man trying to evade capture. Nice job, gun owner.

[raison de arizona]

“If you restrict guns from responsible gun owners then only criminals will have guns.” Well, where do you think the criminals get them from?

[Suranis]

“If you restrict guns from responsible gun owners then only criminals will have guns.” Well, where do you think the criminals get them from?

Illegal immigrants and the Cartels in Mexico, of course.