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Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:14 pm Will someone of authority accompany him back to NY so his plane doesn't take a detour?

I heard that one of the conditions of his bail is that he fly commercial only. I guess he could hijack the plane or something, but short of that it should prevent him from leaving the country. I'd feel better if a US Marshal was on that plane with him. We can't afford any "mistakes."

Cousin Jacob seems peeved:

And of course, he wasn't charged with a FARA violation.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/do ... h-a-catch/

The monitoring regime will be imposed at Barrack’s own expense. Specifically the court ordered GPS monitoring with a bracelet to be outfitted by the government. The defendant will also have to observe a curfew and remain home-bound as directed by pretrial services.

Perhaps the most case-specific prohibition here is that Barrack is barred from transferring any funds overseas. He also is not allowed to engage in any domestic financial transfer in excess of $50,000–except for normal and proper attorney’s fees–without the prior and written consent of the government

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Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:14 pm Will someone of authority accompany him back to NY so his plane doesn't take a detour?

He's not allowed to use a private jet, he has to ply with the demons and peasants.

Which begs the question, if I'm a $75K a year pilot on Endeavor airlines operating as Delta, what do I do if they Flight Attendant brings me a note for the guy in 1C who says he'll give me $100,000,000 to fly to Guatemala instead of JFK?

I fail to see how doing anything short of locking him up will keep Barrack in the U.S. If he anticipates that he's going to prison, my bet is that he will use any means necessary to flee the country. Can't use his own jet? What? They're going to fine him for doing that once he's safely flown to the UAE?

Gregg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:17 pm

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:14 pm Will someone of authority accompany him back to NY so his plane doesn't take a detour?

He's not allowed to use a private jet, he has to ply with the demons and peasants.

Which begs the question, if I'm a $75K a year pilot on Endeavor airlines operating as Delta, what do I do if they Flight Attendant brings me a note for the guy in 1C who says he'll give me $100,000,000 to fly to Guatemala instead of JFK?

I'd ask for cash in advance.

MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:30 pm I fail to see how doing anything short of locking him up will keep Barrack in the U.S. If he anticipates that he's going to prison, my bet is that he will use any means necessary to flee the country. Can't use his own jet? What? They're going to fine him for doing that once he's safely flown to the UAE?

GG is the right person to ask, but I wonder if owning your own jet is really as good an escape route as it seems to be? Assuming the plane is being monitored, I'd think that turning off the plane's transponder or significantly deviating from a filed flight plan would raise an alarm. I'd also think there are ways of persuading a pilot to turn back and land.

Or he gives trump the $$ to fix his 747?

somerset wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:51 pm

MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:30 pm I fail to see how doing anything short of locking him up will keep Barrack in the U.S. If he anticipates that he's going to prison, my bet is that he will use any means necessary to flee the country. Can't use his own jet? What? They're going to fine him for doing that once he's safely flown to the UAE?

GG is the right person to ask, but I wonder if owning your own jet is really as good an escape route as it seems to be? Assuming the plane is being monitored, I'd think that turning off the plane's transponder or significantly deviating from a filed flight plan would raise an alarm. I'd also think there are ways of persuading a pilot to turn back and land.

Short of shooting the plain down?
(And that requires the relevant Airforce aircraft being in range - and who would give such an order (other than trump/Putin/etc))

Surveillance and on ground interception is the best chance of stopping him leaving the country.

But so what if he flees?
He is tried in absentia
His actions won’t endear him to the jury.
The Government will move to seize his assets and put a bounty on him that will make his life more restricted and costly - and spring board against his associates.

Dave from down under wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:25 pm
But so what if he flees?
He is tried in absentia
His actions won’t endear him to the jury.
The Government will move to seize his assets and put a bounty on him that will make his life more restricted and costly - and spring board against his associates.

Not in the US, unless he flees after trial has already started.

I live and I learn..

bbflatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:43 pm

Gregg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:17 pm

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:14 pm Will someone of authority accompany him back to NY so his plane doesn't take a detour?

He's not allowed to use a private jet, he has to ply with the demons and peasants.

Which begs the question, if I'm a $75K a year pilot on Endeavor airlines operating as Delta, what do I do if they Flight Attendant brings me a note for the guy in 1C who says he'll give me $100,000,000 to fly to Guatemala instead of JFK?

I'd ask for cash in advance.

And then walk with the cash without doing the deed.

goose, gander, etc

precisely

Dave from down under wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:25 pm

somerset wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:51 pm I'd also think there are ways of persuading a pilot to turn back and land.

Short of shooting the plain down?
(And that requires the relevant Airforce aircraft being in range - and who would give such an order (other than trump/Putin/etc))

I suspect it's hard to overstate the reluctance of the military to shoot down a civilian plane that is not a serious terrorism threat.

OTOH, a pilot who did such a thing would be in a heck of a lot of trouble.

"Why would she care if she could vanish with her money?"


First of all, she would be cheated out of the money; that's one of the oldest tricks in the book.

But even if she wasn't, and her nest egg wasn't stolen on the way to her initial hide out, it takes years of preparation, plus good measures of savvy and luck, to ensconce oneself in life-long comfort outside of the reach of U.S. law enforcement. You need a network of trustworthy bankers, lawyers, and specialized services of all kinds. Especially hard when you're pursued by what used to be called on the Scots Borders "a hot trod."

The odds are against you.

tek wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:49 pm And then walk with the cash without doing the deed.

goose, gander, etc

Ah, well, that's a proposition worth considering.

I'm not super worried about him fleeing given these conditions. What people here need to understand is that Barrack is going to be under round-the-clock surveillance. Contra Jacob Wohl, Barrack is not charged with a FARA violation, he's charged with a much more serious violation of 18 USC 951, or being an active agent of a foreign government. Spies are charged under that statute. He's going to have babysitters everywhere he goes to make sure he doesn't 1) make contact with a foreign handler or 2) attempt to flee the jurisdiction. If he goes near a private jet, he's going to have friends very quickly.

Make him take Amtrak. Lock him in a roomette for the trip.

Volkonski wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:24 am Make him take Amtrak. Lock him in a roomette for the trip.

Make him travel coach.

Maybenaut wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:30 am Make him travel coach.

He hasn’t been convicted yet!

jcolvin2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:05 am

Maybenaut wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:30 am Make him travel coach.

He hasn’t been convicted yet!

Maybenaut wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:30 am

Volkonski wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:24 am Make him take Amtrak. Lock him in a roomette for the trip.

Make him travel coach.

Amtrak coach is much nicer that Airline coach

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... achcar.jpg

Make him sit with the unwashed masses in United's "Economy"

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:17 am I'm not super worried about him fleeing given these conditions. What people here need to understand is that Barrack is going to be under round-the-clock surveillance.

While I don't dispute your general point, I haven't seen any reports in the press about surveillance as part of the bail conditions, and certainly nothing comparable to the house arrest with private guards to which defendants like Madoff and Marc Drier were subject.

Or are you just saying that the U.S. Marshalls and the FBI will be following him around?

chancery wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:18 pm

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:17 am I'm not super worried about him fleeing given these conditions. What people here need to understand is that Barrack is going to be under round-the-clock surveillance.

While I don't dispute your general point, I haven't seen any reports in the press about surveillance as part of the bail conditions, and certainly nothing comparable to the house arrest with private guards to which defendants like Madoff and Marc Drier were subject.

Or are you just saying that the U.S. Marshalls and the FBI will be following him around?

The Marshals or the FBI will be following him. Not as a condition of bond, but as an investigative measure.

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:17 am I'm not super worried about him fleeing given these conditions. What people here need to understand is that Barrack is going to be under round-the-clock surveillance. Contra Jacob Wohl, Barrack is not charged with a FARA violation, he's charged with a much more serious violation of 18 USC 951, or being an active agent of a foreign government. Spies are charged under that statute. He's going to have babysitters everywhere he goes to make sure he doesn't 1) make contact with a foreign handler or 2) attempt to flee the jurisdiction. If he goes near a private jet, he's going to have friends very quickly.

^^^This, if for no other reason than nobody wants to be the AUSA who let Barrack escape. If there aren't 10 guys assigned to watch him full time, I'd be shocked.